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this weekend as well. and salon.com's joan walsh. thank you, both for being here. >> good being with you, rev. >> congressman, a lot of your republican colleagues who went to selma with all of us don't want to work on voting rights. how do you explain that? >> well, look reverend al what i'm hoping takes place here and i agree with what senator coons just said is that i was talking to a number of my republican -- i'm glad they came number one. but there was a number of them who were relatively young. so i'm hoping that they really had not studied and understood the real meaning of what the voting rights act stood for and why it is intricately important for them to work on it. when i go back to washington d.c., i'm going to talk to them and say, look this is an american issue that's not just for black folk but it's for all americans and if we're going to talk around the world about a democracy, then we've got to make sure that democracy happens right here in the united states.
give them the equipment they need so they can defend themselves. everybody talks about boots on the ground. they are our boots on the ground for crying out loud, and why don't we give them what they need to protect themselves. they don't have hospitals or just the simple things mechanics to repair broken action sell. there was a recent article. i am not starting a private army. someone kind of exaggerated my intentions over there. >> i think i said that. i think i said you were patton. >> oh. well, indian jones might be another name. >> let me ask you. i want to be clear on something. you were at an event with governor scott walker and rick santorum, and i wondered if you were hedging your bets there that you might jump from rick to the governor. what do how say? >> i'd say that's a premature question. rick is still very viable, and i think he is considered one of
there the message across now needs to be told stay out of it. stay away. that's the message that these leaders should be bringing to the minorities, to the african-american communities or whoever that has a problem with the department of justice or the criminal justice system. stay out of it. you understand? if you don't like it, stay away from it there are more black males in the prison system than children at disneyland. why is that? you understand? don't complain about it but yet you guys are eager to go by the crimes your committing. that's the message that needs to be taught right now and brought to the nation, from all across the communities. to understand there are issues with the police department. i understand there is. however yet you cannot commit crimes and do what you do, resist arrest and expect that you're not going to get disciplined for it. >> what do you think young african-americans, though, who hear the president, hear this more than they'll hear you even
>> sergeant, the one development i worry the most about this week in these reports of 40 americans who made their way back here after hooking up with isis over there. i don't nope what went wrong but i know that 40 of them back in this country, and many of them we can't trace their whereabouts that's a big and immediate domestic concern. what do you say? >> it certainly and is not just to the 40 that have the been repatriated to the united states now but it's the lack of u.s. policy and presence taking the global leadership role. the broader vision for america we should be forward on this. instead we're waiting for allies, the gulf state countries to take the lead. jordan great to see them onboard but if the u.s. does not have a hardened policy against isis, they're recruit only big ideas. with woe don't compete with that with our larger ideas and have an ambiguous policy of leaving service members in harm's way, we can expect to deal with this problem for a long time. the iranian influence whether
is the president selling selma? >> the notion that say some young kid brought here when they were two or three or four years old might somehow be deported at the age of 20 or 25 even though they have grown up as americans that's not who we are. that's not true to the spirit of what the march on selma was about. >> not what the march on selma was about. i know you and i are about the same age but we weren't much older than toddlers back them but i'm sure we looked at the history since. selma was about legal americans denied their rights not illegal americans thinking they were entitled to their rights. don't use the blood of victims to score some political points
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for that one. although god works in mysterious ways. where do you think this is going you said at the outset there are case incidents of clear bias some police departments and you have no doubt, have no doubt. what you're trying to say is don't hang on that as a national standard or that all cops act this way all towns act this way, all governments act this way. right? >> they don't. they don't. and i understand where they're coming from, but yet you have to understand not every department is like that. now tops of police officers. i'm sure you do. not every police officer is racist. not every department is trying to get you. they're not. but it's also, too your accountability and the responsibility for what you're doing out here on the streets. you understand what i'm saying? you can't commit crimes and think you won't be disciplined for it. >> well said. >> it just -- you just can't. i'm not -- you don't see me saying that. it's always the individuals that
bigger fix and attacking causes and all the causes to folks some of whom are long dead. we will never know what they would have done. all we do know is what they did. so leave it at that and please leave them alone. it would be like blaming another president for everything that has gone wrong. piggy backing on a genuine hero to fix the messes you failed to address on your watch? no. i'm sorry, not civil. not right. mr. president, 50 years after selma don't start not ever. meanwhile forget the economy adding about 300,000 jobs last month did you know about a separate survey that shows we lost about 3 million? i won't have to do that because we have a columbia university professor who has clawed through
>> he has some good idead and proposal but i'm knock sure at a time when the irs is under scrutiny for a whole host of issues, when members are congress are trying to get rid of the irs in some cases that the irs commissioner could make a successful run at president. but he makes some good points when it comes to politics constant he running for re-election and don't necessarily have the principles that they once had a couple years ago because they want to get re-elected rather than carry out the business of the people. he brings us other valid opinioned about tax reform as well. i don't think he'll be successful in his run but i hope he starts a conversation between the other viable candidates. >> i'm telling you, one thing -- i did kind of make fun of him, i'm from irs, i'm here to help. he was all but endorsing closing down ther is and is a whole new simplified tax code and that is nailed with a lot of people.
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