0 >> this is nothing more than a coup de tat. if you don't know what it means it means you're overruling a government and some people said this is democracy. what's happening here today is not a democratic process, it's a deck "toda dictatorship. i want people to listen to me tonight from 8:00 to 9:00 on sun news. you'll get my side of the story, okay. unfiltered. >> what your going to do, rob, in moving forward, the gentleman asked you what your going to do in the next election? >> i'm dealing with health care professionals. >> no. what the we is what's the game plan. we're building subways in the next election. >> absolutely. how are you basically going to change. we'll be working out. if i'm not down 30, 40 pounds in the next six months i'll eat my words. >> wow. must watch tv. the brothers have a new show. you wonder how much longer this can go on because through the laughter toronto is a major important city in the world. it's a great city. >> his approval ratings did well after the first stuff came well. a lot of this is about the demographics of toronto. he has this suburban base of support that he's feeling encroached upon by the city. it's a very diverse city. they see rob ford having a coup de tat in kuwait as their champion. >> are we all losing it? is it contagious? >> i wonder if people want to see him stay in because the show ends when he goes. it's an odd -- >> there's such a thirst for the authentic. when you think about him -- >> too authentic. there's a line. >> why does everyone slow down when they see a car crash on the opposite side of the highway? this is what the is. we're witnessing a human car crash. every day on tv up there and now here. we see rob ford every day. >> i think there's something to any cole's point. he has a genuine base of support who sees him as a nonpolitician that can do this crazy stuff. >> normal politician apologizes, resigns, goes to rehab and then runs for mayor a few years later. but rob is just gutting it out. >> i wonder if he's completely unhinged. >> let's go to our image maker donny deutsch. what do you do with rob ford? >> i do what -- i keep leaning absurdity to another. we're staying high brow. >> you think joe and mika are watching? >> in just a few hours george zimmerman will appear in court again to face his latest round of legal problems. he was arrested yesterday at the florida home of his girlfriend. she called 911 in a panic saying zimmerman point ad shotgun at her. >> you just broke my glass table, you just broke my sunglasses, and you put your gun in my freaking face and told me to get the [ bleep ] out. >> it's the second time zimmerman has been accused of domestic violence since he was acquitted over the summer in trayvon martin's murder. in yesterday's incident zimmerman claimed his girlfriend who he says is pregnant became violent as he was moving out. >> at first she was letting me pack my stuff so that i could go, we could go our own ways amicablely. when she changed she just started spanishing stuff, taking stuff that belonged to me, throwing it outside, throwing it out of her room, throwing it all over the house. >> there's no excuse for being violent against a pregnant woman. zimmerman is being held without bail on felony and misdeamnor charges. >> second, third time he's been in trouble with the law since the trayvon martin case ended in >> with a gun. >> i think it's the third. >> yeah. >> something tells me this story will not end will for george zimmerman. >> better ending than trayvon martin had. >> might be better ending for his girlfriend if she manages to get him occupant of the house. sound like that need happen. >> let's talk politics. former vice president dick cheney and his wife are breaking their silence on the feud between their daughters over gay marriage. liz cheney is challenging mike enzi in wyoming discussed her opposition to marriages between gay and lesbian couples. that led to mary cheney and her wife, liz's sister mary to respond on facebook criticizes remarks and highlighting the fact that liz only moved to wyoming recently, a potential vulnerability in her campaign. then the cheneys parents got involved yesterday releasing a statement that want reads in part this is an issue we have dealt with privately for many years. and we are pained to see it become public. since i want has, one thing should be clear. liz has always believed train additional definition of marriage. she has also always treated her sister and her sister's family with love and respect, exactly as she should have done. compassion is called for even when there is disagreement about such a fundamental matter and liz's many kindnesses shouldn't be used to dissort her position. vice president cheney said he supports same sex marriage at the state level. nicole, you know the cheneys. what forced dick cheney to go out publicly yesterday and to put out a statement over a family matter? >> look, i think anyone in a family understands that families fight. so i don't think it was the sort of thing that people couldn't relate to, a dispute among families. i think that what must have stunning is what gene robinson writes about in today's "post." heather writes about something that, some of liz cheney's critics believe is her greatest vulnerability and that's the suggestion, the hint this was a political calculation. heather poe took to facebook and wrote as liz moves from state to state she may fine her family isn't protected by the same laws as she moves. liz's greatest vulnerability in her senate run is this charge of political calculation, this charge that she set out, she picked wyoming on a map, she set out there to unseat a popular conservative republican. so, i think that what happened with something political not personal that may have inspired this statement because what's perm is that, yes, families sometimes, you know, they love each other but sometimes they fight in violent ways that you don't see people outside of the family do. what's extraordinary to me is that this family for the entire duration of the bush years, this family stuck together like glue. and mary's sexuality became front and center when john kerry made it one in 2004. >> how did he make it one? >> it came up in a debate. pelter baker wrote about it in his book 0-liz cheney defended mary and called senator kerry out for raising the issue. i think it came out in the vice presidential debate too between dick cheney. all i'm saying, it's not like this issue has never been discussed in the political context. >> you mentioned the word personal. i always believe at the end of the day voters vote for who they like best. say what you want. when you have a sibling who is living a life a certain way and they are happy and have children and you still come out on the other side -- wherever you are politically you just kind of go wow. >> it's not a liability in the republican party to say have a personal -- >> infinitely less appealing as a human become. forget where you stand on the issue. when you line up against your family member. >> have some qualms about people taking personal family fights on to social media, though, and making them public political discussions, don't you? in days of pre-facebook and pre-twitter we wouldn't be having this discussion about the fight between these two sisters unless they wrote an op-ed about it. the way things get dashed off with speed on facebook and you wonder where the afterwards, with a moment of reflection is that what you want to say to the whole world about your sister. >> i think this feels to me like it has been long simmering as this campaign has rolled on. mary and heather seem genuinely stunned by liz using this as a political defining issue for her. there is history of very conservative republicans who have same sex relationships that they are around that they have -- they evolved on the issue. ron portman is one. vice president cheney is another. liz had plenty of very conservative people to look at in terms of bridging what may have been a prior belief. >> i would have to think, just looking at this story as it's played out over the past couple of days that liz cheney's biggest liability in running for the united states senate in a republican primary is the fact that she's not from wyoming and just proved with it this. she's a captive of the conservative tea party washington mentality. i would doubt seriously whether gay marriage has, is on the radar in wyoming in terms of issues that affect people that people are interested in. and the fact that she's raised it, at least to me in my intimate knowledge of life in wyoming i don't think it's on people's screens. >> liz may be on the right side of her policy but voters make much more complicated calculations. >> this isn't making waves up wyoming. let's move on to education secretary arnen' arne duncan wh issizing. here's what he said last week. quote. it's fascinating to me that some of the push back is coming from sort of white suburban moms who all of a sudden their child isn't as brilliant as they thought they were and their school isn't quite as good as they thought they were and that's let scary. duncan admits it's clumsy phrasing. he was trying to show every demographic group has room for improvement. >> it's interesting and in this world of political correctness anybody understood what he was trying to say there and obviously had to apologize but that was not a racial point. i think he was just trying to make a point, an establishment point and that's shorthand. does that make any sense? >> you can see why a white suburban mom would be offended by that. if you put the shoe on the other foot it would be a bigger story. >> as a white guy i would let that pass. it didn't phase me. in understood the point. >> is he getting into a real policy snish >> the biggest policy issue in this country is anybody with kids in public school, you know, if you pay attention to what happens and not all public schools but a preponderance in public schools, everybody gets a trophy mentality that's been part of this country's culture the past ten years your wonder what's happening in schools. you go to parents night and told your child is one of the smartest kids in the class. he's the best kid in the class. he's so good natured and he does his homework you go home feeling good and your son who is 14 years of age and says by the way i'm doing my homework what's four plus four. you start to wonder what's going on in the school. you start to worry whether you're black, brown, white. it doesn't matter. the leveling out of public schools in the past 30, 40 years and i'm not blaming teachers here. let's get that straight. i'm not blaming teachers. >> parents are responsible. young kids have been told they are all winners. you don't get confidence by being told you're already a winner and you're already perfect. up get it by take on challenges. they are not being pushed to fail. allowed the fail. >> my mom is a teacher. >> there's no business in the world that's is going succeed if it's not a meritocracy. and when you have a union that let people stay in their job whether they perform or not that's a dangerous downward slope. in any business. >> we put too much on the teachers. >> i'm just saying the fact that educating at least half is in the hands of teach fierce the best don't rise to the top and weak don't get weeded out -- >> but katty is right. there's multiple issues. two people work in the household. single parent households. we get that. at one level you have an obligation, i think, to your child, boy or girl, no matter what age in their formlative years -- >> i have a 2-year-old he's perfect. >> at some point you owe to it the child and say listen you're great, we love you, watch out, take a look over your shoulder there's always going to be someone better coming. prepare yourself. >> i want to go back for a second and tell you how republicans view a comment like this from someone very close to president obama. this is more of the dividing up by demographic, by the obama administration and micro targeting policies and messages. there's another side to his comments. there's a belief among many people in my party this is how the obama administration divided the electorate to win successfully two times. there's also a feeling to be a little critical of someone i know who has a lot of respect from both sides of the aisle but there's a sense among the republicans this is how the obama administration governs. this is how they talk behind closed doors. >> the republicans didn't do that? >> the republicans were not talking about white moms. president obama's secretary of education was. >> by the way he'll be with us on "morning joe" on thursday. >> come in, nicole talk to him. coming up on "morning joe," congressman jim clyburn joins. chuck todd. michael haney as well here with "gq" men's year of the issue. up next top stories on the political playbook. bill karins has a look at the weather. >> do you see these bird's eye pictures from washington, illinois. winds 0200 mile-per-hour. eighth of a mile wide. went through this suburb here and this housing development. literally on one side of the street nothing and houses don't exist any more in the middle. death toll went up to eight yesterday. 250 to 500 homes deemed destroyed. just little a week away from thanksgiving. let's take you into what's next on the weather map. a cool morning out there especially around areas in the northern plains, the great lakes. but nothing compared to our friends up in canada. i circled yellow. they are at minus 13. this is a cold blast, the coldest air in the northern hemisphere. guess where it's coming. here. we're talking january type cold will be invading the northern plains. chicago daytime high temperature of 28. they may not get to 32 in many areas of the east. tuesday forecast no problems whatsoever today. just a little bit of rain on the west coast. but if you have weekend plans, great lakes, ohio valley or in the northeast, be prepared. it's going to feel like the middle of winter. you're watching "morning joe" on this tuesday. americans take care of business.