hello, i'm matthew amroliwala, welcome to verified live, three hours of breaking stories, and checking out the truth behind them. rishi sunak, in the last few minutes, has announced he will bring in emergency legislation that will confirm that the wonder is, he said, a safe country after the supreme court ruled that the scheme to send asylum seekers there was unlawful. in a significant blow to the prime minister, fivejudges in a significant blow to the prime minister, five judges unanimously ruled against his flagship policy which aims to stop illegal migration. they said rwanda has a poor record on human rights and also, that if refugees went to a wonder there would be a real risk of them being sent back to the countries they had originally left. welcome in that news conference, in the last few minutes, rishi sunak warrant european courts not to block the flights and he also stressed that the court had confirmed sending migrants to a safe third country was lawful. ., , migrants to a safe third country was lawful. ., ._ ,, , ., ., , lawful. today the supreme court has 'udued lawful. today the supreme court has 'ud . ed that lawful. today the supreme court has judged that the _ lawful. today the supreme court has judged that the rwanda _ lawful. today the supreme court has judged that the rwanda policy - judged that the rwanda policy requires a set of changes in order to be lawful. i do not agree with this decision but i respected and accepted. the rule of law is fundamental to our democracy. we are prepared for all outcomes of this case. and so, we have been working on a new international treaty, with four under. this will provide a guarantee, in law, that those who have relocated from the uk to rwanda will be protected against removal from rwanda. and it will make clear that we will bring back anyone if ordered to do so by a court. we will finalise the treaty in light of today's judgment and ratified without delay. but we need to end the merry—go—round. i said i was going to fundamentally change our country and i meant it. so i am also announcing today that we will take the extraordinary step of introducing emergency legislation. this will enable parliament to confirm that, with our new treaty, rwanda is safe. it will ensure that people cannot further delay flights by bringing systemic challenges and our domestic courts and stop our policy being repeatedly blocked. but, of course, we must be honest about the fact that even once parliament has changed the law here at home, we could still face challenges from the european court of human rights in strasbourg. i told parliament earlier today that i am prepared to change our laws and revisit those international relationships to remove the obstacles on our way. so let me tell everybody now, i will not allow a foreign court to block these flights. if the strasbourg court chooses to intervene against the express wishes of parliament, i am prepared to do what is necessary to get flights off. let's speak to the shadow business secretary from the labour party. welcome here to the programme. your reaction to what we have just heard from the prime minister. rishi reaction to what we have 'ust heard from the prime minister. rishi sunak because failed _ from the prime minister. rishi sunak because failed again _ from the prime minister. rishi sunak because failed again and _ from the prime minister. rishi sunak because failed again and this - from the prime minister. rishi sunak because failed again and this really l because failed again and this really is an absolute shambles of a flagship _ is an absolute shambles of a flagship government policy. the issue _ flagship government policy. the issue with rwanda was always that it was unworkable, and i think the government have sent a journalist to look at _ government have sent a journalist to look at the _ government have sent a journalist to look at the scheme than they've ever proposed _ look at the scheme than they've ever proposed sending people to it. it is extortion_ proposed sending people to it. it is extortion at the expense of that of the government awaited over £140 million _ the government awaited over £140 million already on a scheme that has been proven— million already on a scheme that has been proven to be unlawful. now, what _ been proven to be unlawful. now, what they— been proven to be unlawful. now, what they need to do, what labour would _ what they need to do, what labour would do _ what they need to do, what labour would do is — what they need to do, what labour would do is address the real problem _ would do is address the real problem. not through gimmicks. that is, first— problem. not through gimmicks. that is, first of— problem. not through gimmicks. that is, first of all, resourcing the crime — is, first of all, resourcing the crime agency properly to tackle the criminal— crime agency properly to tackle the criminal gang aspect but also i heard — criminal gang aspect but also i heard the _ criminal gang aspect but also i heard the prime minister talk about the failure — heard the prime minister talk about the failure of the system, not processing people, the cost of hotel bills. processing people, the cost of hotel bills is— processing people, the cost of hotel bills is he _ processing people, the cost of hotel bills. is he some sort of commentator on this question accused the prime _ commentator on this question accused the prime minister. he is responsible. it is the government's own delays— responsible. it is the government's own delays to processing those asylum — own delays to processing those asylum claims and that the backlog -et asylum claims and that the backlog get so _ asylum claims and that the backlog get so big — asylum claims and that the backlog get so big that it meant millions of pounds _ get so big that it meant millions of pounds spent on hotels because people — pounds spent on hotels because people either cannot be integrated into the _ people either cannot be integrated into the country are cannabis at home _ into the country are cannabis at home because the government has not made _ home because the government has not made a _ home because the government has not made a decision. it is incredibly frustrating _ made a decision. it is incredibly frustrating and until the government focuses _ frustrating and until the government focuses on _ frustrating and until the government focuses on the real things that matter— focuses on the real things that matter are not these gimmicks, they will not _ matter are not these gimmicks, they will not solve the problem. i admit iwill— will not solve the problem. i admit twill come — will not solve the problem. i admit i will come back to the wider policy but, i will come back to the wider policy but. in _ i will come back to the wider policy but, in terms of what you have just said, _ but, in terms of what you have just said. he _ but, in terms of what you have just said. he was— but, in terms of what you have just said, he was making the point that the number of boats coming without a third this _ the number of boats coming without a third this year and talked about the new deals — third this year and talked about the new deals with certain like albania. 20,000 _ new deals with certain like albania. 20,000 people return. he was talking about the progress in the last 12 months. but he was also talking about emergency legislation. where are you on that?— are you on that? festival, last sunday alone, _ are you on that? festival, last sunday alone, 615 _ are you on that? festival, last sunday alone, 615 people - are you on that? festival, last i sunday alone, 615 people arrived are you on that? festival, last - sunday alone, 615 people arrived by small— sunday alone, 615 people arrived by small boats. so the idea that he has solved _ small boats. so the idea that he has solved the _ small boats. so the idea that he has solved the problem, there is a seasonality to this, the summer is a peak— seasonality to this, the summer is a peak time. — seasonality to this, the summer is a peak time, essentially, for those illegal— peak time, essentially, for those illegal crossings. i don't think he has a _ illegal crossings. i don't think he has a leg — illegal crossings. i don't think he has a leg to stand on when it comes to that _ has a leg to stand on when it comes to that in _ has a leg to stand on when it comes to that. in times of emergency legislation, this is not a bad foreign _ legislation, this is not a bad foreign courts of the european convention on human rights, british courts _ convention on human rights, british courts this— convention on human rights, british courts. this is our supreme court that is— courts. this is our supreme court that is struck— courts. this is our supreme court that is struck this down and i think you see _ that is struck this down and i think you see dartmouth and that is struck this down and i think you see dartmouth— that is struck this down and i think you see dartmouth and he mapped out exactl what you see dartmouth and he mapped out exactly what you _ you see dartmouth and he mapped out exactly what you plan _ you see dartmouth and he mapped out exactly what you plan do _ you see dartmouth and he mapped out exactly what you plan do which - you see dartmouth and he mapped out exactly what you plan do which is - you see dartmouth and he mapped out exactly what you plan do which is to i exactly what you plan do which is to bring in emergency legislation. he said it would demonstrate to parliament for a wonder save and on that. the policy being blocked and then that warning to the european courts. take you through stage by stage, where labour is on those proposals. stage, where labour is on those preposals-_ stage, where labour is on those --roosals. ~ .,, , proposals. well, look, he has 'ust made them — proposals. well, look, he has 'ust made them but i proposals. well, look, he has 'ust made them but we i proposals. well, look, he has 'ust made them but we believe i proposals. well, look, he hasjust| made them but we believe rwanda proposals. well, look, he hasjust i made them but we believe rwanda is unworkable is a serious attempt to tackle _ unworkable is a serious attempt to tackle this — unworkable is a serious attempt to tackle this problem so even if he changes— tackle this problem so even if he changes the law, uses parliament to do that. _ changes the law, uses parliament to do that, there are still the the problem _ do that, there are still the the problem. it is still extremely expensive. weight may hang on, before _ expensive. weight may hang on, before you — expensive. weight may hang on, before you move on, before this comes— before you move on, before this comes to — before you move on, before this comes to parliament, are you saying you will— comes to parliament, are you saying you will vote — comes to parliament, are you saying you will vote against it? he has 'ust you will vote against it? he has just announce it. we haven't seen it. just announce it. we haven't seen it but _ just announce it. we haven't seen it but we — just announce it. we haven't seen it. but we believe rwanda is an unworkable policy so it is not an issue _ unworkable policy so it is not an issue of— unworkable policy so it is not an issue of the point of the law, is this an — issue of the point of the law, is this an issue that this will not solve — this an issue that this will not solve the _ this an issue that this will not solve the problem. he this an issue that this will not solve the problem.— solve the problem. he would demonstrate _ solve the problem. he would demonstrate a _ solve the problem. he would demonstrate a parliament i solve the problem. he would i demonstrate a parliament that solve the problem. he would - demonstrate a parliament that rwanda is a safe and then that will be voted on. i'm asking you a billy simple question. i know we've only just heard about the proposal. but it is pretty easy to actually understand, will be vote for it or against it here,? it is understand, will be vote for it or against it here,?_ against it here,? it is an unworkable _ against it here,? it is an unworkable scheme - against it here,? it is an unworkable scheme to l against it here,? it is an - unworkable scheme to tackle a serious — unworkable scheme to tackle a serious problem so it is not about how you _ serious problem so it is not about how you make it legal or what mechanism you put forward. it will not solve _ mechanism you put forward. it will not solve the problem as we have already— not solve the problem as we have already dartmouth so not solve the problem as we have already dartmoutt_ not solve the problem as we have already dartmouth so you will vote auainst it? already dartmouth so you will vote against it? same _ already dartmouth so you will vote against it? same who _ already dartmouth so you will vote against it? same who have - already dartmouth so you will vote against it? same who have to - already dartmouth so you will vote against it? same who have to read already dartmouth so you will vote l against it? same who have to read it first. that sounds like you are hedging your bets. he first. that sounds like you are hedging your bets. first. that sounds like you are hedauin our bets. ., ., . ., hedging your bets. he announced that five or six minutes _ hedging your bets. he announced that five or six minutes ago _ hedging your bets. he announced that five or six minutes ago so _ hedging your bets. he announced that five or six minutes ago so you - five or six minutes ago so you understand i have to look at that. surely _ understand i have to look at that. surely it — understand i have to look at that. surely it is— understand i have to look at that. surely it is a matter of principle? it is not about the point of law that— it is not about the point of law that we — it is not about the point of law that we will make it illegal or unlawful— that we will make it illegal or unlawful proposal. it is about, does it solve _ unlawful proposal. it is about, does it solve the — unlawful proposal. it is about, does it solve the problem? the amount of money— it solve the problem? the amount of money being wasted on this could be spent _ money being wasted on this could be spent on _ money being wasted on this could be spent on capacity and the system, could _ spent on capacity and the system, could be _ spent on capacity and the system, could be spent on resourcing of a criminal— could be spent on resourcing of a criminaljustice authorities by the crime _ criminaljustice authorities by the crime agency, that is the sort of action— crime agency, that is the sort of action that — crime agency, that is the sort of action that we have put forward. and if ou action that we have put forward. if you hesitate action that we have put forward. fific if you hesitate because of that phrase used in that press conference that the public�*s patients can be stretched over the sofa in the south then. he suggested the public wanting to do something definitive and i'm asking you whether you will support an action like that. the ublic support an action like that. the public want _ support an action like that. the public want the _ support an action like that. the public want the problem solved. they don't want _ public want the problem solved. they don't want schemes that are expensive, that won't solve the problem — expensive, that won't solve the problem. and, when he talks about the public's — problem. and, when he talks about the public's patients, well, it is his failure — the public's patients, well, it is his failure and the delays in processing those asylum claims that her at _ processing those asylum claims that her at the _ processing those asylum claims that her at the heart of this. they have -ot her at the heart of this. they have got much — her at the heart of this. they have got much worse notjust in the last labour— got much worse notjust in the last labour government but actually since the beginning of this conservative government, a decade ago. if you are not putting _ government, a decade ago. if you are not putting the resource, the capacity— not putting the resource, the capacity to properly make sure you are processing those claims will always — are processing those claims will always have a situation. rishi sunak spending _ always have a situation. rishi sunak spending £8 million a day on hotel bills because of that backlog. he is responsible to that. no one else has done this _ responsible to that. no one else has done this. he is the prime minister. and talking — done this. he is the prime minister. and talking about is like you are some _ and talking about is like you are some sort— and talking about is like you are some sort of abstract commentator when _ some sort of abstract commentator when you _ some sort of abstract commentator when you are the prime minister and your failure _ when you are the prime minister and your failure is behind that, i and see your failure is behind that, land see what— your failure is behind that, land see what he wants to put the blame on a different direction but the public— on a different direction but the public will see through that. you know the public will see through that. gm. know the backlog is also coming down. . . know the backlog is also coming down. . , ., . , ., down. that is not correct. they have slit down. that is not correct. they have s - lit the down. that is not correct. they have split the legacy _ down. that is not correct. they have split the legacy backlog _ down. that is not correct. they have split the legacy backlog from - down. that is not correct. they have split the legacy backlog from the - split the legacy backlog from the new claims and try to present it as coming _ new claims and try to present it as coming down but it is a chronic problem — coming down but it is a chronic problem that not being addressed properly — problem that not being addressed properly. is problem that not being addressed ro erl . . ., problem that not being addressed --roerl. . ., ., problem that not being addressed --roerl. , ., ., problem that not being addressed n-roerl. , ., .,.,~.,, properly. is going to ask about the deu properly. is going to ask about the deputy chair— properly. is going to ask about the deputy chair of _ properly. is going to ask about the deputy chair of conservative - properly. is going to ask about the deputy chair of conservative party | deputy chair of conservative party because he was asked this saying, simply, ignore the law, put these people on the next plane out there and he was asked about that and he didn't condemn those comments. he said he understood the frustrations that are out there. what did you think of that interchange? serious countries obey _ think of that interchange? serious countries obey the _ think of that interchange? serious countries obey the law. _ think of that interchange? serious countries obey the law. we - think of that interchange? serious countries obey the law. we are i think of that interchange? serious countries obey the law. we are al countries obey the law. we are a force _ countries obey the law. we are a force around the world as the united kingdom _ force around the world as the united kingdom for the rule of law. no one should _ kingdom for the rule of law. no one should undermine that. the truth is the conservative party is increasingly dominated by extremists, by cranks who are putting — extremists, by cranks who are putting forward serious proposals under— putting forward serious proposals under rishi sunak is a little bit of a prisoner— under rishi sunak is a little bit of a prisoner of that. you see that with— a prisoner of that.