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instructing residents to evacuate as the hostilities resume. more than 170 people have been killed, say hamas, in the first 12 hours of the bombardment. we will get the response of the israeli government tonight and why the negotiations have collapsed. also tonight, charles iii addresses the cop summit in dubai wearing a tie sporting greek flags. and expelled from the us house of representatives, only the sixth member in history to be thrown out. good evening. the us secretary of state antony blinken says the seven—day truce in gaza came to an end because hamas reneged on commitments it had made. the idf would resumed bombing this morning and has struck more than 200 targets in the territory. the hamas run health ministry says 170 people were killed. palestinian aid agencies say the new offensive will be disastrous for the 1.5 million people already displaced. this was a map published by the israeli military showing the evacuation zones in the gaza strip. the map, labelled in arabic, is available on the ids website. it divides the area into numbered sectors, but there are grave concerns that information will be slow to reach people in some of these areas, particularly during blackouts, not to mention how difficult it is to move while under constant bombardment. because these israeli air strikes are no longer restricted to girls at�*s north. there have been repeated attacks on khan younis today in the south where the focus has now shifted, and then there is the aid. the trucks that have already been checked. from crossing today. there are hundreds still lined up on the egyptian side of the rafah crossing carrying those supplies that are still badly needed. 0ursenior supplies that are still badly needed. 0ur senior international correspondent 0rla guerin reports from sderotjust across the border from sderotjust across the border from gaza. gaza awoke to this. a new day of israeli bombing. skies darkened by ash and debris. in rafah, survivors snatched from the rubble. a baby brought out alive. but palestinians say 12 members s of one family were killed here in their own homes. in khan younis, frenzied digging with bare hands. shock and grief all around. israel says it is striking hamas in its strongholds. tell that to her. she says they were sleeping and woke to the sound of a strike. we didn't know where it was, she says, we ran to see and it was our home. explosions. from southern israel we could see and hear the return to battle. the view now from inside gaza is of black smoke on the horizon. the ceasefire well and truly over. israel is blaming hamas for all this, saying it fired rockets earlier this morning and refused to release all the women it is holding. once again, inside gaza, there is war. and more than two million palestinians are trapped. with israel promising to hit hard. having chosen to hold onto our women, hamas will now take the mother of all thumpings. as of now, after hamas violated the frame work for a pause, hostilities have resumed and the idf has resumed is combat. but they are mourning a civilian. he leaves behind four children. ahmed says a last goodbye and tries to keep the flies away. then his brothers take their turn. the family told the bbc the man was killed when israel bombed their apartment block. ahmed's mother told him his daddy is going to heaven. as gazan civilians suffer once again, hamas says it offered to extend the truce and release more hostages, but israel refused. america says israel must do more this time to avoid civilian casualties. 0 rla 0rla guerin, bbc news, on the israel gaza border. mark reggae of, senior adviser to the israeli prime minister, is with us tonight. can we start with the negotiations, we have the family of a hostage coming on the programme tonight. how would you explain to him what happened last night and why the israeli government was not prepared to give this another 2a, 48 hours? prepared to give this another 24, 48 hours? i prepared to give this another 24, 48 hours? ., prepared to give this another 24, 48 hours? ~' ., prepared to give this another 24, 48 hours? ~ ., ,.,, ., prepared to give this another 24, 48 hours? ~ ., ., .,, hours? i think our position was clear. hours? i think our position was clear- we _ hours? i think our position was clear. we were _ hours? i think our position was clear. we were willing - hours? i think our position was clear. we were willing to - hours? i think our position was i clear. we were willing to continue with the pause in the operation so as to facilitate the release of more hostages. we were prepared for an extension, but unfortunately hamas was not, and not only did they fail to deliver, not only did they fail to deliver, not only did they fail to do that, they opened fire this morning on israel, sending rockets from gaza into the communities around the gaza strip. if that is not a declaration of war, i don't know what is. and what is the prospect you think, what is the likelihood of the truce being resumed? i what is the likelihood of the truce being resumed?— being resumed? i can't comment because i don't _ being resumed? i can't comment because i don't know. _ being resumed? i can't comment because i don't know. all - being resumed? i can't comment because i don't know. all i - being resumed? i can't comment because i don't know. alll can i being resumed? i can't comment. because i don't know. alll can say because i don't know. all i can say is that hamas had the opportunity. we would have had a pause today had they release hostages. my understanding is they have got close to 20 women they could have released in the framework of the existing agreement, yet they chose not to do so. last agreement, yet they chose not to do so. �* .,, ., agreement, yet they chose not to do so. ., . .,, agreement, yet they chose not to do so. ., . ., so. at those women civilians or would they _ so. at those women civilians or would they be _ so. at those women civilians or would they be classed - so. at those women civilians or would they be classed as - so. at those women civilians or would they be classed as idf i would they be classed as idf soldiers? i would they be classed as idf soldiers? ., would they be classed as idf soldiers? ~ ,., would they be classed as idf soldiers?— would they be classed as idf soldiers? ~' ,., ., would they be classed as idf soldiers? ~ ,., ., ., soldiers? i think some of them are women in their— soldiers? i think some of them are women in their 20s, _ soldiers? i think some of them are women in their 20s, and _ soldiers? i think some of them are women in their 20s, and so - soldiers? i think some of them are women in their 20s, and so they . soldiers? i think some of them are i women in their 20s, and so they are civilians. i think that hammer says anyone of military age is still a soldier. ,, . ., , ., ,, ., soldier. the secretary of state has been very clear — soldier. the secretary of state has been very clear that _ soldier. the secretary of state has been very clear that this _ soldier. the secretary of state has been very clear that this phase - soldier. the secretary of state has| been very clear that this phase has to be carried out different to the war that was waged in the north, and there we see elon leavy today talking about the mother of all thumpings coming for hamas, 170 killed injust 12 hours. is that the sort of restraint that the war cabinet promised secretary blinken yesterday? is the spokesperson _ blinken yesterday? is the spokesperson said, - blinken yesterday? is the spokesperson said, we i blinken yesterday? is the _ spokesperson said, we differentiate between civilians and hamas terrorists, and that is why if we talk about the situation in the south, that we have leafleted and sent messages in other ways to areas around khan younis, where we do know that there will be israeli combat and operations by the idf, we have asked civilians to leave those particular areas because we don't want to see them caught up in the crossfire. but want to see them caught up in the crossfire. �* , ., , ., ., crossfire. but you we will be aware from the leaflet _ crossfire. but you we will be aware from the leaflet i _ crossfire. but you we will be aware from the leaflet i have _ crossfire. but you we will be aware from the leaflet i have seen, - crossfire. but you we will be aware from the leaflet i have seen, therei from the leaflet i have seen, there is a qr code on it that directs people to the idf website, and because of the problems with electricity and connectivity, the information might not get to the people that need it. are you prepared to give people time to move and clear instructions notjust online so that they know what they are supposed to do? this online so that they know what they are supposed to do?— online so that they know what they are supposed to do? as you know, we sent messages _ are supposed to do? as you know, we sent messages in _ are supposed to do? as you know, we sent messages in a _ are supposed to do? as you know, we sent messages in a variety _ are supposed to do? as you know, we sent messages in a variety of- are supposed to do? as you know, we sent messages in a variety of ways, i sent messages in a variety of ways, phone calls, leaflet dropping, technology, radio and television broadcasts, and the truth is, in the north, which we have been criticised for, we gave people three weeks warning before the ground incursion started. and so we take very seriously into national law which says you have to differentiate between your enemy, in this case the vicious killers of hamas, and the civilian population, where we want them out of combat zones to safeguard them, and was designated in the southern part of the gaza strip, the americans have passed them on to the united nations and others, specific safer zones where people can go and be out of harm's way. people can go and be out of harm's wa . ., people can go and be out of harm's wa , ., ., people can go and be out of harm's wa . ., ., ., people can go and be out of harm's wa. ., ., ., people can go and be out of harm's wa. ., ., ~ people can go and be out of harm's wa. ., ., ., way. how long do you think you have not for this way. how long do you think you have got for this second _ way. how long do you think you have got for this second stage _ way. how long do you think you have got for this second stage of - way. how long do you think you have got for this second stage of the - got for this second stage of the conflict, because there are briefings coming out of washington tonight, secretary blinken told the cabinet that they have got weeks and not months to finish this. it will take as long — not months to finish this. it will take as long as _ not months to finish this. it will take as long as we _ not months to finish this. it will take as long as we need, - not months to finish this. it will. take as long as we need, because not months to finish this. it will- take as long as we need, because we have to finish the job. the goal is returning all the hostages, destroying hamas's military machine and creating a new situation in gaza were never again will israel be attacked like we were on october the 7th. you've got to understand, if this isn't done properly, you will just be back to square one, and you will be interviewing me a year from now about another war in gaza. we don't want that situation. we want a situation where gaza is de—miniaturised and de—radicalised, and the people of gaza get a better government than that hamas regime that has been terrible for them first and foremost. but that has been terrible for them first and foremost.— that has been terrible for them first and foremost. but you will be aware that there _ first and foremost. but you will be aware that there are _ first and foremost. but you will be aware that there are plenty - first and foremost. but you will be aware that there are plenty of- aware that there are plenty of people, military analysts, people who were familiar with insurgencies, who were familiar with insurgencies, who say it will be impossible to completely eliminate hamas, notjust on the psychology of hamas, which will be supported by many people in gaza. ijust wonder if will be supported by many people in gaza. i just wonder if the strategy will have to change at some point, and might the israeli government be prepared to consider what hamas were saying to the bbc today, that they would be prepared to talk about hostages in return, all the hostages in return for a total ceasefire. is that something that the israeli government might be forced to consider? ., , ., ., ., consider? know, but that would leave hamas in power— consider? know, but that would leave hamas in power in _ consider? know, but that would leave hamas in power in the _ consider? know, but that would leave hamas in power in the gaza _ consider? know, but that would leave hamas in power in the gaza strip, - hamas in power in the gaza strip, and that is unacceptable, because hamas leaders themselves, i don't know if they said it to you today in the interview, but hamas has repeatedly said that their leaders have said that they would do 0ctober have said that they would do october the 7th again and again and again if given the opportunity, if they had the capability. so we have to deny them the capability. there is no peace and coexistence with hamas because they are dedicated to killing israelis, and once again, they say they would do it again, not mark regev, so we have to find a solution without hamas in the gaza strip, and ultimately, that will be good, i say again, for the people of gaza who deserve better than this terrible regime that has brought them only poverty and bloodshed. fine them only poverty and bloodshed. one last question. you will be aware of the reports in the new york times today about these documents that were given to the israelis, that the israelis had in their hands which pretty much set out the entire plan, and it was almost done to the letter by hamas on october the 7th. that plan was supposedly handed to a kernel within the gaza division, and subsequent to that there were reports that hamas were carrying out training exercises that were in line with the documents you had. i mean, that seems to me like an enormous failure of intelligence. while those documents going to be part of the inquiry whenever that comes? flit inquiry whenever that comes? of course. christian, inquiry whenever that comes? i>i course. christian, you are inquiry whenever that comes? iii course. christian, you are 100% correct when you said that this was a terrible failure. 0ctober correct when you said that this was a terrible failure. october the 7th was a bad day for israel and we pay for our failure was a bad day for israel and we pay for ourfailure in the blood of our people. how do you explain that, because it strikes me is a little bit like the inquiry into 9/11, that the intelligence was there, the intelligence community knew about it, theyjust didn't put everything together. why did you think there was a failure? it was just like young when we were attacked in 1973 from the south on the north as well, but it was clear there was a failure and like in 1973, when the war is over they will be a commission of inquiry, may be set up as we did then under a supreme courtjustice. we could also do parliamentary inquiries, questions will be asked and we have to get to the bottom of this. we don't want this to happen again. that is the bottom line. we don't want this to happen again. we have always prided ourselves in israel and having very good intelligence, and yet we have had this whole big mishap which as i said a moment ago cost us in too much blood, so of course we want to get to the bottom of this and learn the lessons that need to be learned. mark regev, thank you for answering our questions this evening, good of you to come on. my our questions this evening, good of you to come om— our questions this evening, good of you to come on. my pleasure, thank ou for you to come on. my pleasure, thank you for having _ you to come on. my pleasure, thank you for having me. _ the us secretary of state, antony blinken, has laid some of the ground rules for this new stage of the conflict. he said it must avoid damage to critical infrastructure and further displacement of palestinians. he was asked about the report in the new york times which we havejust report in the new york times which we have just discussed, report in the new york times which we havejust discussed, that report in the new york times which we have just discussed, that israeli authorities were aware that hamas was planning a major assault, and this was his response.— this was his response. there is auoin to this was his response. there is going to be — this was his response. there is going to be plenty _ this was his response. there is going to be plenty of _ this was his response. there is l going to be plenty of opportunity for a fult— going to be plenty of opportunity for a full account when we look back to see _ for a full account when we look back to see what — for a full account when we look back to see what happened, who knew what when, _ to see what happened, who knew what when, and _ to see what happened, who knew what when, and israel has been very clear about— when, and israel has been very clear about that _ when, and israel has been very clear about that. right now, the focus is on making — about that. right now, the focus is on making sure that they can do everything possible to ensure that it doesn't— everything possible to ensure that it doesn't happen again, to make sure _ it doesn't happen again, to make sure that — it doesn't happen again, to make sure that civilians are protected, and as— sure that civilians are protected, and as i— sure that civilians are protected, and as i said, to also look at what happens — and as i said, to also look at what happens once this conflict is over, what _ happens once this conflict is over, what happens in gaza, and so we are focused _ what happens in gaza, and so we are focused on _ what happens in gaza, and so we are focused on all of that. i think there — focused on all of that. i think there will— focused on all of that. i think there will be time, and i know this will happen. there will be accountability and looking at what led up _ accountability and looking at what led up to — accountability and looking at what led up to october the 7th. apologies for the sound _ led up to october the 7th. apologies for the sound quality _ led up to october the 7th. apologies for the sound quality on _ led up to october the 7th. apologies for the sound quality on that - led up to october the 7th. apologies for the sound quality on that clip. i for the sound quality on that clip. let's speak to lieutenant general mark schwartz, former secretary coordinator for israel and the palestine authority. thank you for coming on the programme. so the us officials it seems to me are trying to press the israelis to press and scope their operations in the south. what might that look like? ., , ., ., ., the south. what might that look like? ., , ., ., , like? hello, christian, good to be with ou like? hello, christian, good to be with you this _ like? hello, christian, good to be with you this evening. _ like? hello, christian, good to be with you this evening. the - with you this evening. the establishment of evacuation tones that you discussed earlier in the programme are certainly part of it, and that did not exist when the ground offensive started, there was this direction from the idf and a mass movement of civilian citizens to move from northern gaza, gaza city, down to khan younis, and some of the other surrounding areas. so now we have the opportunity it sounds like, the idf has created these evacuation zones so that this mass migrat

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