and that's bbc news at ten. newsnight is just getting under way on bbc two with kirsty wark. 0n bbc one, it's time tojoin our colleagues for the news where you are. goodnight. tomorrow the covid inquiry will hear from a man who was saved by the nhs. how will borisjohnson respond under oath to questions about the uk's late lockdown and criticism from some of his closest aides about his leadership? how contrite should the former prime minister be about what his critics in government believe were mistakes made during the pandemic? tonight we're joined by his close ally and former director of communications guto hari, dr kit yates, a member of independent sage, and anne longfield, who was children's commissoner at the height of the pandemic. also tonight... signed on the dotted line. a new treaty which the home secretary says addresses the concerns of the uk supreme court which ruled the government's rwanda plan unlawful last month. we'll hear from a spokesperson for the rwandan goverment, the prime minister's trade envoy for rwanda, lord popat, and leading immigration lawyer sarah gogan. and aaron dessner, who rose to fame with his band the national, talks about his collaborative life with the global superstar taylor swift ahead of the grammys. it was the first time that we wrote together, and from there, it was just like wildfire, almost every day we were writing together for months and months. we made it injust a six—month span of time. good evening. borisjohnson�*s responses at the covid inquiry over the next two days will be critical to his legacy. the former prime minister will be cross—examined about the government's response to the pandemic and his own hand in decision—making. his appearance follows that of michael gove, the minister running the cabinet office throughout the covid years, who apologised for mistakes made by the government, saying it was too slow to lock down in early 2020, and then again that autumn. but it is expected that borisjohnson will point the finger of blame at the chief medical 0fficer sir chris whitty, though it has been reported that he might be preparing to confess to some government complacency. however he goes in front of the inquiry with a besmirched personal record of breaking lockdown rules, and being found to have repeatedly lied to parliament about having done so. tonight we examine whatjeopardy borisjohnson will face tomorrow. here's sima. a reminder of what those early days of the pandemic were like. in italy in march 2020, some of the morgues were full to the brim as the virus rapidly spread in parts of the country. while here around the same time, cheltenham festival took place with tens of thousands of people in attendance every day. several days later came the first full lockdown in england. the former prime minister has studied thousands of pages of evidence before he faces his grilling in front of the public glare. one of the key questions he s likely to be asked is, did he act soon enough? so far we ve heard the former deputy cabinet minister helen macnamara say that downing street officials were overconfident as the pandemic hit and she said they were were sitting there and saying it was great, and sort of laughing at the italians". former chief advisor dominic cummings said in a whatsapp message in early march... the pm doesn t think its a big deal. he doesn t think anything can be done and his focus is elsewhere. he thinks it will be like swine flu." chief medical officer chris whitty told the inquiry the uk was a bit too late in imposing the first lockdown. and the former health secretary matt hancock said that with hindsight the first lockdown should have been implemented three weeks earlier. there were nearly 4,000 deaths involving the coronavirus in march 2020 according to the 0ns. those who ve spoken to the inquiry have sometimes conveyed a picture of chaos and dysfunction with the then prime minister struggling to get his head round the science. sir patrick vallance, the government's then chief scientific advisor, wrote in his private diary... late afternoon meeting with the pm on schools. my god, this is complicated. models will not provide the answer. pm is clearly bamboozled." there are also questions about why the former pm didn t attend the first five cobra meetings to do with the pandemic. his own bout of covid could come up with questions about whether he was fit enough to run the country at the time after being in intensive care. some newspapers have said borisjohnson will admit he made mistakes and say that he and his government were initially far too complacent. we'll hear whether that's the case. but for the families of those who lost loved ones during the pandemic, his answers will be properly digested and judged as to whether he, the man in charge at the time, could have done more to prevent their deaths. joining me now to discuss from leeds is anne longfield, the children's commissioner at the height of the pandemic who is now chair of the young lives commission. kit yates, a scientist who was a member of independent sage, a group that offered advice to the government during the pandemic. and guto harri, who was borisjohnson�*s director of communications in 2022. let's begin with key questions for borisjohnson. anne longfield, what would you be asking if you were asking the questions tomorrow? i think the first one would be, did he understand the harm that children were experiencing? why did he not put as much energy and planning into reopening schools as he did to pubs and restaurants? and why could he not see that children were suffering from really plummeting mental health? why could he not intervene at that point? why didn't he prioritise them, and ultimately why did he say no to the man he had asked to come up with a plan, that had costed it, to help those children recover, why did he turn him away when he saw how much it would cost?— would cost? let's “ust stick with this would cost? let's 'ust stick with this business _ would cost? let's 'ust stick with this business of— would cost? let'sjust stick with this business of lockdown - would cost? let'sjust stick with this business of lockdown for i this business of lockdown for schools reopening, you personally, you were the children's commissioner and you personally called repeatedly for schools to reopen, but you were ignored, what happened and why do you think you were ignored? weill. ignored, what happened and why do you think you were ignored? well, if ou you think you were ignored? well, if you remember. _ you think you were ignored? well, if you remember, the _ you think you were ignored? well, if you remember, the first _ you think you were ignored? well, if you remember, the first lockdown i you remember, the first lockdown happened very quick and that was, you know, probably necessary, but i think most parents who were suddenly homeschooling at that point thought it would be a matter of weeks, it got to may and june and the decision was made that there was some space to be able to increase social interaction, but the surprise was that at that point, shops, theme parks, zoos and pubs and restaurants were opened, where schools stayed shut. therejust were opened, where schools stayed shut. there just didn't seem to be any understanding of the experiences of children, nor indeed any real concern over what they may be suffering. concern over what they may be sufferinu. ., concern over what they may be sufferinu. . , ., ., . suffering. that question of concern i want to pick _ suffering. that question of concern i want to pick up — suffering. that question of concern i want to pick up on _ suffering. that question of concern i want to pick up on in _ suffering. that question of concern i want to pick up on in a _ suffering. that question of concern i want to pick up on in a moment, | i want to pick up on in a moment, but kit yates, what would you be trying to find out from boris johnson if you were there tomorrow? i would have a number of questions for him. _ i would have a number of questions for him. i_ i would have a number of questions for him, i would probably ask him, did he _ for him, i would probably ask him, did he really— for him, i would probably ask him, did he really think that covid was nalure's— did he really think that covid was nature's way of dealing with old people. — nature's way of dealing with old people, as we have heard in the inquiry? — people, as we have heard in the inquiry? i— people, as we have heard in the inquiry? i would ask him did he really— inquiry? i would ask him did he really say— inquiry? i would ask him did he really say let the bodies pile high in their— really say let the bodies pile high in their thousands? and ask him why he missed _ in their thousands? and ask him why he missed those early covert meetings, why did he follow the advice _ meetings, why did he follow the advice over some fringe scientists over his _ advice over some fringe scientists over his sage scientists in the auiumh— over his sage scientists in the autumn of— over his sage scientists in the autumn of 2020 when sage were suggesting a circuit breaker, asking why he _ suggesting a circuit breaker, asking why he didn't take the detail to helu _ why he didn't take the detail to helu he— why he didn't take the detail to hel. , , ., , ., , help. he missed five cobra meetings, now, the science _ help. he missed five cobra meetings, now, the science is _ help. he missed five cobra meetings, now, the science is difficult, - now, the science is difficult, sometimes it is contested, what difference would it have made, do you think, if he had been at those five cobra meetings? i you think, if he had been at those five cobra meetings?— you think, if he had been at those five cobra meetings? i think it 'ust shows a fundamental i shows a fundamental unseriousness regarding _ shows a fundamental unseriousness regarding him as a prime minister. but i _ regarding him as a prime minister. but i thihk— regarding him as a prime minister. but i think it — regarding him as a prime minister. but i think it would have been great if he had _ but i think it would have been great if he had engaged with the science, but as_ if he had engaged with the science, but as lee — if he had engaged with the science, but as lee cain put it, this was the wrong _ but as lee cain put it, this was the wrong crisis — but as lee cain put it, this was the wrong crisis for his skill set. there — wrong crisis for his skill set. there are _ wrong crisis for his skill set. there are numerous examples of him failing _ there are numerous examples of him failing to _ there are numerous examples of him failing to engage with the science, is taking _ failing to engage with the science, is taking a — failing to engage with the science, is taking a percentage of 4%, for example. — is taking a percentage of 4%, for example, for 0.04%, so, 100 times smaller, _ example, for 0.04%, so, 100 times smaller, and — example, for 0.04%, so, 100 times smaller, and when patrick vallance patiently explains this mistake to him, _ patiently explains this mistake to him. he — patiently explains this mistake to him, he says, so what is a 0.04, if it is— him, he says, so what is a 0.04, if it is hot— him, he says, so what is a 0.04, if it is hota_ him, he says, so what is a 0.04, if it is not a percentage? he has illustrated how poorly he understood the science. �* , illustrated how poorly he understood the science. �* . . . illustrated how poorly he understood the science. �* , , , ., illustrated how poorly he understood the science. �*, , , ., , ., the science. let's put this to guto harri, the science. let's put this to guto harri. what _ the science. let's put this to guto harri, what we _ the science. let's put this to guto harri, what we do _ the science. let's put this to guto harri, what we do know _ the science. let's put this to guto harri, what we do know is - the science. let's put this to guto harri, what we do know is that. the science. let's put this to guto i harri, what we do know is that boris johnson's legacy is very important to him, if you were still his director of communications how would you be advising him especially in the light of these conversations, these are the experts? {iii the light of these conversations, these are the experts?— the light of these conversations, these are the experts? of the reason asked for this, i _ these are the experts? of the reason asked for this, i inquiry _ these are the experts? of the reason asked for this, i inquiry to _ these are the experts? of the reason asked for this, i inquiry to be - these are the experts? of the reason asked for this, i inquiry to be set - asked for this, i inquiry to be set up, he commissioned it, is because he wants somebody to look overall the evidence, with the benefit of hindsight, with full 360 degrees vision, to see, anne longfield makes a fantastic case for not looking down as we did, not something that has been heard a lot in the narrative in general, but there are consequences to shutting things down, and that has not been explored. down, and that has not been exolored-_ down, and that has not been exlored. , ., ., explored. exactly to that point, it was almost _ explored. exactly to that point, it was almost like _ explored. exactly to that point, it was almost like sometimes - explored. exactly to that point, it was almost like sometimes the i was almost like sometimes the politicians thought they knew better than the people that were dealing with, and now of course anne longfield is the head of the young lives commission, she knows what happened to children afterwards. find happened to children afterwards. and i know myself, and it is wonderful to hear— i know myself, and it is wonderful to hear that case made, and the problem — to hear that case made, and the problem was, and this is why boris's evidence _ problem was, and this is why boris's evidence will be crucial, is because only one _ evidence will be crucial, is because only one man had the totaljigsaw, if you _ only one man had the totaljigsaw, if you like. — only one man had the totaljigsaw, if you like, there were people whose role it _ if you like, there were people whose role it was _ if you like, there were people whose role it was to look after lives, people — role it was to look after lives, people whose preoccupation was livelihoods, people whose preoccupation was children and mentai— preoccupation was children and mental health, only one man had the balance _ mental health, only one man had the balance of— mental health, only one man had the balance of all of those together, and he _ balance of all of those together, and he is — balance of all of those together, and he is genuinely interested in trying _ and he is genuinely interested in trying to— and he is genuinely interested in trying to help the inquiry conclude how that — trying to help the inquiry conclude how that could be done better. do how that could be done better. you accept how that could be done better. dun you accept that there is a public hero who suffered greatly during the pandemic, who are used to hearing borisjohnson sounding flippant, and they've been through so much, and what the town needs to be tomorrow, i mean, after all, what the town needs to be tomorrow, i mean, afterall, he is what the town needs to be tomorrow, i mean, after all, he is a what the town needs to be tomorrow, i mean, afterall, he is a man what the town needs to be tomorrow, i mean, after all, he is a man saved by nhs doctors and nurses on 24—hour care. by nhs doctors and nurses on 24-hour care. �* . , by nhs doctors and nurses on 24-hour care. . , , ., care. and he is extremely grateful to that, ithink— care. and he is extremely grateful to that, i think everyone - care. and he is extremely grateful to that, i think everyone has - care. and he is extremely grateful| to that, i think everyone has heard him express— to that, i think everyone has heard him express that. i went round on the nrirror— him express that. i went round on the mirror with him when he was apologising for things that he hadn't — apologising for things that he hadn't done to staff at on the whereabouts of his julia... hadn't done to staff at on the whereabouts of his julia. .. bodies iled u- whereabouts of his julia. .. bodies piled up on _ whereabouts of his julia. .. bodies piled up on the — whereabouts of his julia. .. bodies piled up on the street, _ whereabouts of his julia. .. bodies piled up on the street, does - whereabouts of his julia. .. bodies piled up on the street, does thatl piled up on the street, does that matter into he hasn't talked about that in public, has he? these things have emerged from private messages and heated exchanges over massive judgment because that had to be made where he as prime minister was rightly and crucially challenging as aggressively as possible the different cases made to him. anne longfield, now, as i said, you are on the young lives commission, i wonder what young people are saying to you now about what they went through? to you now about what they went throu~h? ~ �* . to you now about what they went throu~h? ~ �*, ., through? well, it's something that will stick with — through? well, it's something that will stick with children _ through? well, it's something that will stick with children i _ through? well, it's something that will stick with children i think - through? well, it's something that will stick with children i think for i will stick with children i think for the rest of their lives, and it was a disaster for many children, especially disadvantaged children. we're seeing young children coming into school now that are way off where they should be in terms of their development, but i think generally, children are saying, look, we know we missed out on huge amounts of education, we've never caught up, and we don't see that we have the future, often, that we might have had before. the other part being, you know, no—one has stepped to help us. let part being, you know, no-one has stepped to help us.— part being, you know, no-one has stepped to help us. let me 'ust ask ou, kit stepped to help us. let me 'ust ask you. «it yates. * stepped to help us. let me 'ust ask you, kit yates, the t stepped to help us. let me 'ust ask you, kit yates, the biggest _ stepped to help us. let me just ask you, kit yates, the biggest ever- stepped to help us. let me just ask| you, kit yates, the biggest ever you think made by the government was? there's too many to list. for example. _ there's too many to list. for example, not looking down in march 2020. _ example, not looking down in march 2020. nray— example, not looking down in march 2020, may be forgivable because it was a _ 2020, may be forgivable because it was a new— 2020, may be forgivable because it was a new pandemic, we didn't know what was _ was a new pandemic, we didn't know what was going on, but in september 2020 when sage was suggesting we should _ 2020 when sage was suggesting we should lock down, they were still consulting the scientist, taking advice — consulting the scientist, taking advice that he wanted to hear, not the advice — advice that he wanted to hear, not the advice of scientific consensus. isn't the advice of scientific consensus. isn't that — the advice of scientific consensus. isn't that the fact that what you've got here is somebody who is just saying quite straightforwardly, you know, they locked down too late in march, and it was incredibly important to get it right in the autumn, and still it didn't get done? iiii autumn, and still it didn't get done? ., , . . autumn, and still it didn't get done? ., , ., ., ,. . done? if only following the science was that simple. _ done? if only following the science was that simple. the science - done? if only following the science was that simple. the science was l was that simple. the science was contested, scientists were not on the same page on whether we should wear masks or not, on the method of transmission, on whether schools should be closed or not, on whether borders should be closed or not, the science of changed a lot across the period when these big judgment because had to be made, and the science, and the health of people, were there to be balanced against the knock—on effect on lives as well as livelihoods, down the line. thank ou ve as livelihoods, down the line. thank you very much _ as livelihoods, down the line. thank you very much indeed, _ as livelihoods, down the line. thank you very much indeed, and - as livelihoods, down the line. thank you very much indeed, and boris - you very much indeed, and boris johnson will be giving evidence for two days at the covid. the home secretary james cleverly and rwanda's foreign minister vincent biruta signed a new asylum treaty in kigali today designed to get around the ruling by the uk's highest court allowing the government to begin the process of deporting certain migrants to rwanda. the supreme court rejected the policy on the grounds it could not be guaranteed the rwandan government would honour the principle of international law known as non—refoulement which forbids a country that receives asylum seekers from returning them to their country of origin if doing so would put them at risk or harm. in the rwandan capital james cleverly said that he felt uncomfortable at the tone of criticism levelled at rwanda and hoped to see the scheme running as quickly as possible. but the new legislation has to get through the uk parliament. here's nick. music plays. successive home secretaries on one mission, and a scoreline of 3—0. a trio of ministers flown to rwanda, but so far, no migrants. rwanda has now established a strong reputation. the latest home secretary in kigali, as the government tries to fireproof its rwanda resettlement plan. a treaty in response to the uk supreme court's concerns over non—refoulement, that migrants must not be returned to a country where they could be in danger. a guarantee on that — and in rare circumstances, they will be sent back to the uk. next step, emergency legislation to address another legal concern. rwanda will be declared a safe country. will the government also dissapply elements of domestic or international human rights law? success in the commons expected, though the bill could be amended. a bumpy ride likely in the lords, where peers could delay the bill until after the election. but they might be nervous about a big challenge. if the legislation passes, the government will try to start flights. there's currently space for migrants in their hundreds in rwanda, though space is ultimately uncapped. but campaign groups could return to court to block flights. since he became prime minister, rishi sunak has been burning a lot of the midnight oil right here on how to stop those small boat crossings. he hasn't exactly bet the whole farm on the rwanda plan, because those crossings are, after all, down by a third, but he has bet a lot of it on that plan, and he needs those flights under way by the time of the general election. but there's still a long way to go. it sounds as if there are changes... the former head of the government's legal department saw some progress today. we haven't seen the details yet but it sounds as if the government has been able to secure significant changes in the rwanda system and there are guarantees about people not being sent onto places where there we'll be mistreated, there are new monitoring arrangements and appeal arrangements and so on. so we have to assume all of that makes a difference. this will now be in a treaty, so there's an extra degree of solemnity, if you like, and commitment, from both sides. the question will be whether in practice the system in rwanda lives up to those standards and whether the authorities actually comply with the commitments that have been given. and jonathan jones expects to see this back in court. i think it's very likely that there will be more legal challenges, almost whatever this treaty says, and whatever the bill says. because the stakes are high enough, if an individual thinks they are seriously at risk of being sent somewhere to be ill—treated, backed by the various refugee bodies that exist, i think it is likely that there will be another challenge. i think it's likely to be pretty bumpy. before that, a tough ride for the legislation in the lords, though peers will ultimately tread with care, according to one whitehall watcher. the house of lords will be very aware that this is a key plank of the government's policy at the moment, it's something, controls on illegal migration to the uk are a policy area which the government is really foregrounding ahead of the election and the house of lords will be conscious of that, it might not be something that was in the last manifesto in 2019, but it's certainly something which elected members of the house of commons are committed to, and so, although the house of lords will want to use its power to ask mps to really think carefully about what they're doing, i think it's unlikely they are going to stand in the way ultimately of it becoming law. from the seat of power, we will soon see legislation. and soon after that, the verdict of a divided party. and nickjoins me now. you have some granular detail? interesting nuggets from the treaty, article 11, it says rwanda must allow migrants to communicate with an uk lawyer if they are challenging their removal in the uk or at the european court of human rights and that has been clocked by conservative mps who think that may suggest that rishi sunak will not go for what is known as a full fat version, which is disapplying core elements of the european convention on human rights to block legal appeals on that route. that matters because he one nation group of conservative mps on the left of the party say overriding the echr is a red line and there is a story on the front page of the daily telegraph today and it says ten ministers in that caucus or on resignation watch. that report is being taken seriously in that group. david cameron, he said this afternoon maybe we could have a milder version with some flexibility that would allow parliament to say to the european court when they think they have got it wrong but number 10 must watch its flank on the right. 0ne pretty interesting government figure said the right are mobilising if rishi sunak does not go their way on this. thank you very much indeed. earlier i spoke to yolande makolo, spokesperson for the rwandan government, and i started by asking her when rwanda can expect the first migrant to arrive? well, the process continues, our partners in the uk are working on this. i think there's some way to go, the treaty will have to go to the uk parliament, it will have to go through our parliament as well. so, that is a process that has to conclude first. you've already have a payment, i understand, of £140 million — what has that been used for or what will it be used for? well, this payment has been made to ensure that we're ready to receive the migrants, meaning that we've prepared initial accommodation for them, and we've started the process of updating our systems to ensure that we're able to handle the new asylum cases that are coming up, including training ofjudges and lawyers, procuring translation services and so forth. and what is the next payment you expect to get — this is the prepayment, as it were, are you expecting regular payments from the uk? i'm not able to speak right now on the details of the payments. what i can tell you is that resources will be availed to ensure that everyone who comes to rwanda will be properly housed and will get opportunities to build skills, to go to school and to make a life here. rwandan unemployment stands at, we think, between 13% and 16%, so how is it going to go down in rwanda if migrants getjobs that rwandans could have? we're not thinking about even that, we already host 130,000 refugees in rwanda, all refugees in rwanda have the right to employment and to healthcare, they have a right to go to school. so, we are already doing it with the number of refugees that we have here. in addition, the resources that the uk government is investing in this partnership will ensure that we're able to maximise opportunities for both rwandans and migrants who come to live with us. so, is there a cap on how many migrants you're able to take in a particular period? well, this is something that we're working out with our partners in the uk. we have agreed that we will take thousands of migrants within the lifetime of this partnership, which is initially five years. is it going to be 1,000, 5,000, 10,000, 30,000, 100,000? this will depend on very many factors that i'm not able to get into right now, but we will be working with our partners to ensure that we understand what the scenarios are in regards to how many migrants are coming and when. we will take as many as the uk wants us to take within the next five years. you're confident that you will have the facilities to take as many as the uk wants you to take? yes, we have experience in welcoming and hosting refugees and we have the ability to scale up when it's needed. and where will these migrants be placed? are we talking about kigali or will they be all over rwanda? all over rwanda, kigali and other secondary cities around the country. now, the majority of migrants come from countries such as afghanistan, iran, albania, india and iraq. can you guarantee that they will have full legal representation if there is a danger that they are sent back to those countries? of course they will have full legal representation in rwanda, this is what the migration partnership is about. we already have experience welcoming migrants from other parts of the world. yolande maloko, thanks very much forjoining us. thanks for having me. i'm joined by sarah gogan, an immigration lawyer at harbottle and lewis, and lord popat, conservative peer and the uk's trade envoy to rwanda. good evening. i want to pick up on the point about the echr being mentioned as an avenue for a challenge for migrants but i wanted to turn to article 19. it says the resettlement of vulnerable refugees, the party shall make arrangements for the uk to resettle a portion of rwanda's vulnerable refugees in the uk, recognised both parties commitment to providing better international protection... i am not clear about this, are we talking about we will take rwandan refugees who are not safe in their own country? it who are not safe in their own country?— country? it says we will take refugees. — country? it says we will take refugees, not _ country? it says we will take refugees, not rwandan - country? it says we will take - refugees, not rwandan nationals, but refugees, not rwandan nationals, but refugees based in rwanda who are not safe there or they are vulnerable. what does that actually mean? that we might, they might be deemed vulnerable in rwanda and not allowed to come here, but then we take them? that is what it appears to say. what that is what it appears to say. what do ou that is what it appears to say. what do you make _ that is what it appears to say. what do you make of _ that is what it appears to say. what do you make of that? _ that is what it appears to say. what do you make of that? the _ that is what it appears to say. what do you make of that? the whole - do you make of that? the whole --urose do you make of that? the whole purpose of _ do you make of that? the whole purpose of the _ do you make of that? the whole purpose of the treaty, _ do you make of that? the whole purpose of the treaty, it - do you make of that? the whole purpose of the treaty, it came i do you make of that? the whole - purpose of the treaty, it came about because _ purpose of the treaty, it came about because of— purpose of the treaty, it came about because of the result of the supreme court. _ because of the result of the supreme court. that— because of the result of the supreme court, that remand might send these refugees— court, that remand might send these refugees back to their country of origin— refugees back to their country of origin or— refugees back to their country of origin or another country, hence the treaty. _ origin or another country, hence the treaty. a _ origin or another country, hence the treaty, a binding agreement between us and _ treaty, a binding agreement between us and rwanda. we treaty, a binding agreement between us and rwanda.— us and rwanda. we could have a situation where _ us and rwanda. we could have a situation where a _ us and rwanda. we could have a situation where a vulnerable - us and rwanda. we could have a - situation where a vulnerable migrant goes to court, is deemed too vulnerable within rwanda and that could be a judgment that could be made that would bring a number of migrants into the uk? what made that would bring a number of migrants into the uk?— made that would bring a number of migrants into the uk? what it is, in fact, the migrants into the uk? what it is, in fact. the treaty _ migrants into the uk? what it is, in fact, the treaty says _ migrants into the uk? what it is, in fact, the treaty says that the - fact, the treaty says that the refugees who go to rwanda from here or who _ refugees who go to rwanda from here or who will— refugees who go to rwanda from here or who will go from here, we will set an— or who will go from here, we will set an appeals procedure that they have the _ set an appeals procedure that they have the right to come back here if they win _ have the right to come back here if they win that appeal. because they are too vulnerable _ they win that appeal. because they are too vulnerable to _ they win that appeal. because they are too vulnerable to stay. - they win that appeal. because they are too vulnerable to stay. the - are too vulnerable to stay. the echr, article 11.4, the facilitation of access to a lawyer to make a challenge under the ehrc or uk based courts. so the human convention will stand? ., . , ., , ., stand? correct. there is no question of us derogating _ stand? correct. there is no question of us derogating from _ stand? correct. there is no question of us derogating from that? - of us derogating from that? absolutely. there is no question of rwanda _ absolutely. there is no question of rwanda being able to derogate based on the _ rwanda being able to derogate based on the treaty but we must remember the treaty— on the treaty but we must remember the treaty is — on the treaty but we must remember the treaty is a piece of paper, it is a commitment and the supreme court _ is a commitment and the supreme court made — is a commitment and the supreme court made it clear that based on the facts. — court made it clear that based on the facts, it would be unlawful currently — the facts, it would be unlawful currently to send asylum—seekers to rwanda _ currently to send asylum—seekers to rwanda so — currently to send asylum-seekers to rwanda. ., ., ., ,, ., rwanda. so in a situation or suella iivraverman — rwanda. so in a situation or suella braverman says _ rwanda. so in a situation or suella braverman says if _ rwanda. so in a situation or suella braverman says if you _ rwanda. so in a situation or suella braverman says if you have - rwanda. so in a situation or suella braverman says if you have to - rwanda. so in a situation or suella braverman says if you have to set | braverman says if you have to set aside the echr, so be it, but that will not happen?— will not happen? highly unlikely that the attorney _ will not happen? highly unlikely that the attorney general - will not happen? highly unlikely that the attorney general will i will not happen? highly unlikely . that the attorney general will allow that. so that the attorney general will allow that. . ., . that the attorney general will allow that. , , ., , that the attorney general will allow that. , , ., , that. so this still has to become legislation? _ that. so this still has to become legislation? what _ that. so this still has to become legislation? what jonathan - that. so this still has to become l legislation? what jonathan james that. so this still has to become - legislation? what jonathan james in legislation? whatjonathanjames in the legislation? whatjonathan james in the film legislation? whatjonathanjames in the film was saying is it is very likely this whole thing will be back in court? . likely this whole thing will be back in court? , ., , ., ., , in court? yes, the house of lords miaht in court? yes, the house of lords might block— in court? yes, the house of lords might block the _ in court? yes, the house of lords might block the legislation, - in court? yes, the house of lords might block the legislation, therei might block the legislation, there is an argument that it is in breach of the rule of law and an argument that the supreme court, the highest court in the country, has ruled unanimously, based on evidence and fact, that it is unlawful. in addition, parliament has never reversed a decision from the supreme court based on fact. so that would be unprecedented and potentially unconstitutional. lord be unprecedented and potentially unconstitutional.— be unprecedented and potentially unconstitutional. lord popat, what ha ens, unconstitutional. lord popat, what happens. is _ unconstitutional. lord popat, what happens. is a _ unconstitutional. lord popat, what happens, is a legislation _ unconstitutional. lord popat, what happens, is a legislation goes - unconstitutional. lord popat, what. happens, is a legislation goes back, as it will, presumably, because it has to, it gets to the lords and the lords are not minded to go against the most senior court in the land? . the most senior court in the land? , the most senior court in the land? , the legislation will deem to send refugees back to rwanda. what will happen. _ refugees back to rwanda. what will happen. in— refugees back to rwanda. what will happen, in fact, the legislation will most — happen, in fact, the legislation will most likely go through in the next few— will most likely go through in the next few weeks and what will happen is we will_ next few weeks and what will happen is we will get it through the commons because we have a majority in the _ commons because we have a majority in the commons. we will not get that through— in the commons. we will not get that through the _ in the commons. we will not get that through the lords and we do not have a majority_ through the lords and we do not have a majority there and we saw what happened — a majority there and we saw what happened with the immigration bill injuty. _ happened with the immigration bill injuly, ping—pong severaltimes happened with the immigration bill injuly, ping—pong several times and injuly, ping—pong several times and in the _ injuly, ping—pong several times and in the end _ injuly, ping—pong several times and in the end the crossbenchers said hold on— in the end the crossbenchers said hold on and the elected house has the final— hold on and the elected house has the final say on the elected house, the final say on the elected house, the lords _ the final say on the elected house, the lords will respect the elected house. _ the lords will respect the elected house. �* . . the lords will respect the elected house. �* ., ,, the lords will respect the elected house. �* , , the lords will respect the elected house. �* , house. but as you say, this is a ping-pong _ house. but as you say, this is a ping-pong and _ house. but as you say, this is a ping-pong and there _ house. but as you say, this is a ping-pong and there is - house. but as you say, this is a ping-pong and there is going i house. but as you say, this is a| ping-pong and there is going to house. but as you say, this is a - ping-pong and there is going to be a ping—pong and there is going to be a legal challenge. in the courts. the whole point about this was that this would happen within the next two or three months. do you see a situation where this is not settled and there are no migrants going to rwanda by the time of the general election? well, we helped, we have to control our borders. — well, we helped, we have to control our borders, they have become so bad and this— our borders, they have become so bad and this is— our borders, they have become so bad and this is why we have taken this step and _ and this is why we have taken this step and the chances are this bill will go _ step and the chances are this bill will go through in the next three or four months and i don't know when the election— four months and i don't know when the election will be but i guess it will happen before the election. the prime minister and the home secretary are determined this happens _ secretary are determined this happens before the election. what do ou think? happens before the election. what do you think? i — happens before the election. what do you think? i do _ happens before the election. what do you think? i do not _ happens before the election. what do you think? i do not see _ happens before the election. what do you think? i do not see how - happens before the election. what do you think? i do not see how the - happens before the election. what do you think? i do not see how the bill. you think? i do not see how the bill could aet you think? i do not see how the bill could get through _ you think? i do not see how the bill could get through based _ you think? i do not see how the bill could get through based on - you think? i do not see how the bill could get through based on the - could get through based on the supreme court looking the facts and deeming this unlawful. it is facts that were presented on this is theory. the treaty is based on theory. the treaty is based on theory and not practice. but what about executive _ theory and not practice. but what about executive powers? - theory and not practice. but what about executive powers? the - about executive powers? the government could use executive power? it government could use executive ower? ., , , power? it would be the first time the have power? it would be the first time they have gone _ power? it would be the first time they have gone against _ power? it would be the first time they have gone against a - power? it would be the first time they have gone against a factual| they have gone against a factual ruling. we could face a constitutional crisis. it ruling. we could face a constitutional crisis. it would be remarkable- _ constitutional crisis. it would be remarkable. we _ constitutional crisis. it would be remarkable. we have _ constitutional crisis. it would be remarkable. we have run - constitutional crisis. it would be remarkable. we have run out. constitutional crisis. it would be remarkable. we have run out ofi constitutional crisis. it would be - remarkable. we have run out of time. thank you both. a private hospital in brighton has suspended some surgical procedures for six weeks after what it has described as an "increase in incidents" during complex colorectal surgery. the decision by nuffield health brighton hospital comes as sussex police investigate 21 cases of alleged medical negligence in the same area of specialist surgery at the local nhs trust, a storyjoe pike has been investigating for newsnight. joe's here now. what more do we know? well, sussex police have confirmed _ what more do we know? well, sussex police have confirmed to _ police have confirmed to newsnight that this private provider, nuffield health, is not part of their wider investigation. the incidents during surgery that led to some of this treatment being paused we are told is of low and moderate harm and moderate harm is expected in surgery and can lead to further treatment or being transferred to a different part of the hospital. clearly they are something to be avoided. we have been given a statement by nuffield health and they told us this... the safety and wellbeing of patients is our top priority and that is why as a precautionary measure, we have temporarily paused complex colorectal care at the brighton hospital and we will continue to liaise with patients who may need rescheduled and we made this proactive decision as part of our standard clinical governance procedures due to an increase in incidents with patients having thank you colorectal surgery comes under gastroenterology, and the local piece are investigating 105 cases of negligence at the local nhs trust in two surgical departments, there was our neurosurgery and gastrointestinal surgery. all of this follows our investigation last week, kirsty, where we talked to four whistleblower is who said that they thought there had been unnecessary deaths and patients effectively being maimed at that nhs trust. we should point out the trust at the time said that its mortality and outcomes data did not reflect the claims of a necessarily that and maiming. so, the investigation into the nhs trust does continue, they say the trust are investigating, meanwhile if you are wanting to have one of these complex colorectal procedures at the private hospital, you might need to be waiting. thank you might need to be waiting. thank you very much indeed. with the rising cost of rents, high demand from tenants and fewer properties available in some areas, you don't need us to tell you that finding somewhere to rent can be difficult at the moment. now, newsnight�*s heard that rental bidding wars are making it even tougher. labour says the practice should be banned in the uk, and has tabled amendments for it to be added to the government's renters reform bill — as bbc newsbeat�*s polly bayfield reports. but what really got me was the audacity of this person. i said, "i don't think this is worth 950 without bills." he said, "there are six people after you — someone will take it." this is in my baby's room... you don't have to go far to hear some of the horror stories that renters in the uk are facing at the moment. issues with mould, rising rents and wrongful evictions. and the windows inside are drenched... but there's something else. unfortunately, we made an offer more than the asking price and we did not get it. bidding wars. it's commonplace if you're buying a property. but it's hitting the private rental market, too. people are going up against each other to offer more rent than is being advertised in order to find somewhere to live, and in bristol the message is clear... chanting. this community organisation is just some of those calling for a ban on bidding wars for renters in the uk. in the last year, acorn has targeted letting agents, asking them to commit to their pledge to stop it from happening in the city. so we have had people tell us that they've had to consider taking out payday loans to pay a number of months' rent upfrontjust so they can secure the property. people moving further and further out of the city. with bidding wars and some of the highest rents outside of london, bristol's mayor, marvin rees, has called the city the "wild west of the rental market", and stats from the charity shelter show that in england alone, more than half a million private renters missed out on a place to live in the last five years because another tenant came along and offered more rent than was being asked for. in london, 28—year—old chris knows exactly what it's like to go through a bidding war. he lost one for a flat he and his boyfriend were looking at before doing it all over again for another, which he eventually won. a two bedroom apartment and they said, "what offer would you like to make?" we were like, "what's on the advert." and they said, "oh, well we've already had higher than that, so if you want to be taken seriously, you are going to have to do more than that." i have a photo where there's actual mushrooms growing out of the grouting in the bathroom. that was £2300 a month. 0ur apartment got a rat infestation. and this was like a brand—new new—build, a high—rise apartment complex. so this is where you work? yes, this is... chris is just one of many renters who have experienced this intense competition. experienced this intense competition. figures from the rightmove for the bbc show there are 20 before figures from the rightmove for the bbc show there are 20 requests for each property. before the pandemic — it was six. and it's this high demand that campaigners say is driving bidding wars. i certainly don't dispute that it goes on. what i would say is we need to look at the cost base that are forcing people to make these decisions. at the end of the day, if we have a plentiful supply of homes then bidding wars are a thing of the past. and actually, high rents are a thing of the past as well. we think the practice should be prohibited, it should be banned. we don't think that landlords should be able to invite or encourage people to bid over the advertised price of private renters' property. and that's what we are pushing the government to do — to change the law, to prohibit the practice, as they have done in countries like new zealand and australia. the government's renters reform bill is going through parliament at the moment, but there's no mention of action on bidding wars. i think a ban goes far enough in at least addressing the immediate issue. i don't know, that's like the equivalent of putting the sandbags out to stop the water, but you still need to stop the oceans rising. we asked the department for levelling up for an interview on this. no—one was available, but in a statement they said... "it is ultimately for landlords and tenants to agree the amount of rent that should be charged when a tenancy begins. a renters reform bill will deliver a fairer, more secure and higher quality private rented sector for landlords and tenants." chanting. for now, though, campaigners say they'll keep raising awareness of rental bidding wars in the uk. even if you don't know aaron dessner, you will definitely have heard his work. while the multi—award winning american artist first rose to fame with his band the national, today he's perhaps better known for producing albums for global megastars like taylor swift and ed sheeran. and otherfans include former us president barack 0bama. when we spoke earlier this evening, i started by asking him how he felt to have worked on three separate records nominated for february's grammy awards. it's become really a big part of my life, all of this collaboration. it's amazing, i feel really lucky. the national is still sort of home, but ed sheeran is, we've made two records in the last 18 months and it's been really, really rewarding, he's such an incredible person. and working with taylor has been one of the greatest experiences in my life, and now we're years into it, so it's kind of like another deeply familiar, important relationship. # i think i've seen this film before # and i didn't like the ending # i'm not sure i want any more # who am i bending now...? when she approached you, what was her pitch to get you to work with her? i was sitting at dinner with my family and she texted, basicallyjust saying hi, it's taylor, would you ever consider collaborating, writing songs with me remotely? and of course, at first i thought it was a joke because i didn't even realise how she would have my number, i kind of constantly write music and i happened to have a big folder of things, and i sent it to her, and that night she sent back cardigan, which became the first single of folklore and the first song that we wrote together. and from there it was just like wildfire, we made folklore and evermore in sort of a six—month span of time, and she's such a storyteller that she... it was like suddenly michaeljordanjoined my basketball team or something. but now of course, you're so used to playing with her on stage and looking out at these thousands and thousands of fans, i wonder what that experience is like? nothing can prepare you for the feeling of coming up on a hydraulic stage platform, up through the floor, and you look around and there's 80,000 people, lots of them with their phones out, just the crush of that attention is really intense and exhilarating, but it takes a second to get used to it. no politician now comes out on stage for some big event without the hype music or the walk—on music, what was it like when 0bama adopted
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