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BBCNEWS BBC July 2, 2024



with me now are hannah weisfeld, founder of yachad uk — a britishjewish organisation which supports the palestinian state. and hamze awawde — a member of the palestinian delegation for hands of peace, which empowers american, israeli and palestinian youth to become agents of change. you are both there at the vigil on sunday. as we had another week of digesting what is happening in the middle east, the incredible pain still being felt by both sides, can you tell me about what the experience was like on sunday to come together to talk about something a bit more hopeful, about a future that might be more peaceful? it a future that might be more peaceful?— a future that might be more eaceful? . , ., ., , ., a future that might be more eaceful? ., ., , ., peaceful? it was a way to show hope, because one — peaceful? it was a way to show hope, because one of _ peaceful? it was a way to show hope, because one of the _ peaceful? it was a way to show hope, because one of the victims _ peaceful? it was a way to show hope, because one of the victims of - peaceful? it was a way to show hope, because one of the victims of this - because one of the victims of this war is hope. people are disheartened, there feeling victims to hatred, to anger. they don't see hope. someone has to start the light, and this is what we tried to do because it's our responsibility. people are dying. every seven minutes and gazza there is a woman or a child dying, and i want people to put their energy on the right place. we should care about people, think long term and think about how we can end this crisis, take hse from the crazy people who think bombing and killing people and making a second generation of fighters is the solution. hannah, how was it _ fighters is the solution. hannah, how was it for _ fighters is the solution. hannah, how was it for you _ fighters is the solution. hannah, how was it for you on _ fighters is the solution. hannah, how was it for you on sunday - fighters is the solution. hannah, - how was it for you on sunday quizzed one of the big challenges in the uk has been as the war has got worse and worse, people feel more and more divided and polarised and it's very hard to find common ground. find divided and polarised and it's very hard to find common ground. and to be in central — hard to find common ground. and to be in central london _ hard to find common ground. and to be in central london with _ hard to find common ground. and to be in central london with hundreds. be in central london with hundreds of people. — be in central london with hundreds of people, it's visually quite powerful because there is a sense that you _ powerful because there is a sense that you cannot stand in solidarity with each — that you cannot stand in solidarity with each other —— might you come understand — with each other —— might you come understand that we have reached crisis _ understand that we have reached crisis point in terms of notjust the conflict itself but how gets exported. i scroll down on social media _ exported. i scroll down on social media and — exported. i scroll down on social media and i see one group of people saying. _ media and i see one group of people saying, well, there were no people raped _ saying, well, there were no people raued or— saying, well, there were no people raped or murdered on october the 7th and another— raped or murdered on october the 7th and another sign of the group saying. — and another sign of the group saying, well, there are no casualties in gaza, all of them are hamas— casualties in gaza, all of them are hamas terrorists. you think, how have _ hamas terrorists. you think, how have we — hamas terrorists. you think, how have we arrived at this situation for you — have we arrived at this situation for you literally cannot see that there _ for you literally cannot see that there is— for you literally cannot see that there is a — for you literally cannot see that there is a human being worthy of life on— there is a human being worthy of life on the — there is a human being worthy of life on the other side? the point of that video — life on the other side? the point of that video was to say we can't export— that video was to say we can't export that here to the uk and when people _ export that here to the uk and when people like _ export that here to the uk and when people like hamze stand up become a truly powerful to hear. you people like hamze stand up become a truly powerful to hear.— truly powerful to hear. you talk about the _ truly powerful to hear. you talk about the need _ truly powerful to hear. you talk about the need for _ truly powerful to hear. you talk about the need for help - truly powerful to hear. you talk about the need for help and - truly powerful to hear. you talk about the need for help and it | truly powerful to hear. you talk - about the need for help and it being about the need for help and it being a unifying force on sunday. worcester also a sense that you need to agree on what a shared future would look like or was it put to one side? because that is so contentious too i side? because that is so contentious too ~ . side? because that is so contentious too ~' ., ., , . too i think we agree on basic thins, too i think we agree on basic things. we — too i think we agree on basic things, we agree _ too i think we agree on basic things, we agree on - too i think we agree on basic things, we agree on the - too i think we agree on basic| things, we agree on the value too i think we agree on basic- things, we agree on the value of human life, we agreed that the same leaders we have relating this campaign other one supporters to the situation. we really need better leaders, leaders who care about the future generations. they have been trying the same thing for 75 years. they got better at inflicting pain on the other side. but this leads us nowhere. and poor people, people who are trapped and we can see it in the international community is not doing the right thing to push the people for what they need, to the future whites of the international community is starting to talk about a political solution now. haifa community is starting to talk about a political solution now.— community is starting to talk about a political solution now. how do you beain a political solution now. how do you be . in to a political solution now. how do you begin to influence _ a political solution now. how do you begin to influence that _ a political solution now. how do you begin to influence that debate - a political solution now. how do you| begin to influence that debate about what the future might look like? fine what the future might look like? one ofthe what the future might look like? one of the things — what the future might look like? one of the things that is so frustrating about— of the things that is so frustrating about this — of the things that is so frustrating about this conflict is that everybody ignores it until there is a massive — everybody ignores it until there is a massive crisis and we are now in the most — a massive crisis and we are now in the most terrible crisis, and i've worked — the most terrible crisis, and i've worked around this conflict for over a decade _ worked around this conflict for over a decade and every couple of years, a decade and every couple of years, a war— a decade and every couple of years, a war breaks — a decade and every couple of years, a war breaks out between israel and gaza, _ a war breaks out between israel and gaza, this _ a war breaks out between israel and gaza, this is — a war breaks out between israel and gaza, this is like no other war, but what _ gaza, this is like no other war, but what happens is, the war ends, everybody— what happens is, the war ends, everybody takes a big sigh of relief and goes _ everybody takes a big sigh of relief and goes back to what they were doing _ and goes back to what they were doing it— and goes back to what they were doinu. , , , ' , doing. it is surely different this time. i doing. it is surely different this time- i hope — doing. it is surely different this time. i hope it _ doing. it is surely different this time. i hope it is. _ doing. it is surely different this time. i hope it is. at _ doing. it is surely different this time. i hope it is. at the - doing. it is surely different this i time. i hope it is. at the moment, --eole time. i hope it is. at the moment, people are — time. i hope it is. at the moment, people are rightly _ time. i hope it is. at the moment, people are rightly fixated - time. i hope it is. at the moment, people are rightly fixated on - time. i hope it is. at the moment, people are rightly fixated on how. people are rightly fixated on how you enter — people are rightly fixated on how you enter the immediacy of what is going _ you enter the immediacy of what is going on. _ you enter the immediacy of what is going on, how to protect civilian life and — going on, how to protect civilian life and secure borders, but what we realiy _ life and secure borders, but what we realiy need _ life and secure borders, but what we really need is the international community to say simultaneously, we will start— community to say simultaneously, we will start the process, this is required _ will start the process, this is required to bring a long—term political— required to bring a long—term political resolution... required to bring a long-term political resolution. . .- required to bring a long-term political resolution... from what antony blinken _ political resolution... from what antony blinken was _ political resolution... from what antony blinken was saying - political resolution... from whatl antony blinken was saying today, there was a strong criticism of israel but there is still not talked about what the us is prepared to do. limit they are going to have to lead on it but there are differences now. we have an arab world that is much more engaged. the abraham accords, which i was quite critical of, because it ignored the israel palestine conflict.— palestine conflict. there is actually now _ palestine conflict. there is actually now a _ palestine conflict. there is actually now a role - palestine conflict. there is actually now a role for- palestine conflict. there is i actually now a role for those palestine conflict. there is - actually now a role for those arab allies _ actually now a role for those arab allies of— actually now a role for those arab allies of israel to play in bringing to an _ allies of israel to play in bringing to an end — allies of israel to play in bringing to an end and i think that will become — to an end and i think that will become increasingly important. and there _ become increasingly important. and there is— become increasingly important. and there is a _ become increasingly important. and there is a role for people outside there is a role for people outside the region. — there is a role for people outside the region, so the organisation that i run, _ the region, so the organisation that irun, that's— the region, so the organisation that i run, that's about us here in the uk is— i run, that's about us here in the uk is british— i run, that's about us here in the uk is britishjews and the role we play as— uk is britishjews and the role we play as british citizens in terms of making _ play as british citizens in terms of making sure this conflict stays on the british— making sure this conflict stays on the british political agenda is a foreign — the british political agenda is a foreign policy objective. foreign policy ob'ective. hamze, where are the _ foreign policy objective. hamze, where are the seniors _ foreign policy objective. hamze, where are the seniors looking i foreign policy objective. hamze, where are the seniors looking to now? i'm sure the feel let down by the entire world. sadly this is the reality. that is what brings them to lose hope and to be victim of radical ideologies. brute lose hope and to be victim of radical ideologies. lose hope and to be victim of radical ideolories. ~ , radical ideologies. we remember the times of negotiation _ radical ideologies. we remember the times of negotiation in _ radical ideologies. we remember the times of negotiation in the _ radical ideologies. we remember the times of negotiation in the past, - times of negotiation in the past, people started to live their lives normally instructed to have concerts, started to dream about the future, but in times like now there is really hardly any way to dream. even in the basic life, i mean, in gaza, people don't have food to eat. they know that the world abandoned them and i don't think they expected much from the world because being under siege for 17 years i would be enough for anyone. you under siege for 17 years i would be enough for anyone.— enough for anyone. you both have children and _ enough for anyone. you both have children and i _ enough for anyone. you both have children and i know _ enough for anyone. you both have children and i know this _ enough for anyone. you both have children and i know this must - enough for anyone. you both have | children and i know this must have come up when you see children suffering it is particularly heart—wrenching. we have as israeli children taken hostages and we have palestinian children potentially dying from simple things like diarrhoea in gaza. but what do you say to your kids, who are little, about... they are clearly picking up things here and there, do you talk to them about it and how do you describe the future to them? italic describe the future to them? i talk to m son describe the future to them? i talk to my son about _ describe the future to them? i talk to my son about what _ describe the future to them? itala; to my son about what happened on october the 7th. i told him that he will always have the need to revenge but you should never do it because we are only humans. every child has a family and every family looks forward to see their parents every day after coming back from work. we deserve a life without killing or dying, it's a basic fight. after 100 years than neglect has not been good for palestinians or evenjews. by thomas and also, i have to educate him —— but i tell my son also. but everyone is like a family member, that doesn't have to be blood family member. bud that doesn't have to be blood family member. �* ., ., , ., member. and how are your little ones, did member. and how are your little ones. did they — member. and how are your little ones, did they light _ member. and how are your little ones, did they light a _ member. and how are your little ones, did they light a candle - member. and how are your little ones, did they light a candle last night? ones, did they light a candle last niuht? , ., ,., ones, did they light a candle last niuht? , ., ,, . , night? they did and in some respects i'm night? they did and in some respects l'm privileged — night? they did and in some respects i'm privileged that _ night? they did and in some respects i'm privileged that have _ night? they did and in some respects i'm privileged that have invested - night? they did and in some respects i'm privileged that have invested in l i'm privileged that have invested in this conflict but from afar and i can protect my kids in a way that you can't — can protect my kids in a way that you can't. but when i did i did it, my older— you can't. but when i did i did it, my older child said to be, she didn't— my older child said to be, she didn't understand why people would have a _ didn't understand why people would have a war. — didn't understand why people would have a war, of her people are people and sometimes i think viewing the world _ and sometimes i think viewing the world through the innocence of a sexual— world through the innocence of a sexual can — world through the innocence of a sexual can be helpful because you strip away— sexual can be helpful because you strip away the politics and the hate and -- _ strip away the politics and the hate and -- the — strip away the politics and the hate and —— the innocence of a sexy role. asking _ and —— the innocence of a sexy role. asking me _ and —— the innocence of a sexy role. asking me very basic questions, which _ asking me very basic questions, which is — asking me very basic questions, which is why would you —— the innocence _ which is why would you —— the innocence of a six—year—old. there also _ innocence of a six—year—old. there also some — innocence of a six—year—old. there also some truth in that, which is that when— also some truth in that, which is that when i_ also some truth in that, which is that when i sit with somebody like hamze _ that when i sit with somebody like hamze and other palestinians are with, _ hamze and other palestinians are with. they— hamze and other palestinians are with, they are my friends, and i don't _ with, they are my friends, and i don't view— with, they are my friends, and i don't view them as, i am the jew ad one is— don't view them as, i am the jew ad one is the _ don't view them as, i am the jew ad one is the palestinian, we are just people _ one is the palestinian, we are just people having a conversation with 26—year—old kids. what is so sad about— 26—year—old kids. what is so sad about what — 26—year—old kids. what is so sad about what is happening in the regioh— about what is happening in the region is— about what is happening in the region is that there is no ability for people to do that.— region is that there is no ability for people to do that. thank you both very much _ for people to do that. thank you both very much for _ for people to do that. thank you both very much forjoining - for people to do that. thank you both very much forjoining us. . russia's official news agency has announced that vladimir putin is running for president in 202a. a new six—year term would keep the 70—year—old in power until at least 2030. with opposition politician alexei navalny in a prison colony and other critics exiled abroad, putin faces no serious political competition at home. for the first time, the election will be held over three days — from march 15—17. saudi arabia's sports minister has dismissed claims of �*sportswashing' against the country as "very shallow". he's been defending the country's right to host the 2034 world cup. critics say unprecedented spending on sport has been used to improve saudi arabia's reputation over its human rights record and environmental impact. our sports editor dan roan has been in the country, accompanied by saudi ministry of sport officials, and he spoke to prince abdul—aziz bin turki al faisal, in an exclusive interview. from a football league luring some of the biggest names in the game and the takeover of golf to the hosting of boxing's biggest fights, saudi arabia has spent billions of pounds changing the sporting landscape. and with the country now set to host the world cup in 2034, the man overseeing the sporting revolution told me what lay behind the investment. our ambition is to host the best events around the world and the kingdom for the people of the kingdom to see, but also to invite the world to the kingdom. do you want to be the number one sporting superpower in the world? i don't see it that we're competing with others. i see it that we are playing our role to develop sports within the world and be part of the international community. but there are also fears over the environmental impact of staging the world cup here and concerns that sport is being used to improve the reputation of a country where women's rights are restricted and homosexuality is illegal. for those who say that saudi arabia is not a suitable host, what would y

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