role in gaza. hamas will not be entirely eradicated. there will still be hundreds, if not thousands, of gunmen wandering around. there will have to be some sort of international force. i think we can rule out the un after the sort of anaemic, feckless role that they have played in lebanon, allowing hezbollah to rearm intervention of un security council resolution 1701. i don't think israel would deign to accept the un. let's get a bit of analysis and length if he were we are and what happens next. we can bring in the panel for the first time. leigh ann caldwell, washington post live anchor. tim montgomerie, founder of the political website conservative home. looking to you both. things are coming on the programme. let's start with the us playing a key role clearly. the language from the us seems to be shifting slightly. what is your take? it seems to be shifting slightly. what is your take?— is your take? it has shifted slightly- — is your take? it has shifted slightly. the _ is your take? it has shifted slightly. the president- is your take? it has shifted slightly. the president has| is your take? it has shifted - slightly. the president has become more _ slightly. the president has become more slightly critical of how the israeli _ more slightly critical of how the israeli government is handing this war in_ israeli government is handing this war in gaza. at a fundraiser earlier this week, — war in gaza. at a fundraiser earlier this week, the president said that the israelis need to stop indiscriminate bombing. that is the furthest_ indiscriminate bombing. that is the furthest the president has come but withjake _ furthest the president has come but withjake sullivan's two furthest the president has come but with jake sullivan's two days in the region— with jake sullivan's two days in the region trying to send a similar message _ region trying to send a similar message to tone down the war and the methods— message to tone down the war and the methods in_ message to tone down the war and the methods in which they are trying to achieve _ methods in which they are trying to achieve their goals is a sign that the us— achieve their goals is a sign that the us is— achieve their goals is a sign that the us is getting a bit more frustrated with this war and how it's being — frustrated with this war and how it's being handled. and a lot of that push— it's being handled. and a lot of that push is coming from increased pushback— that push is coming from increased pushbackin that push is coming from increased pushback in the us among voters, especially— pushback in the us among voters, especially voters in the president's base who — especially voters in the president's base who say that they are really frustrated — base who say that they are really frustrated that the president has been _ frustrated that the president has been taking such a, you know, has been _ been taking such a, you know, has been hugging the israeli government so closely— been hugging the israeli government so closely regardless of the tactics that israet— so closely regardless of the tactics that israel has been using in this war _ that israel has been using in this war 50 — that israel has been using in this war. so there is increased pressure on the _ war. so there is increased pressure on the united states to play a role here and _ on the united states to play a role here and to try to get israel to change — here and to try to get israel to change how they're handling this. and. _ change how they're handling this. and. tint, — change how they're handling this. and, tim, the words out of israel today as they pretty much always have been which this continues until hamas is wiped out.— have been which this continues until hamas is wiped out. that's what they alwa s hamas is wiped out. that's what they always say- — hamas is wiped out. that's what they always say- i — hamas is wiped out. that's what they always say. i think— hamas is wiped out. that's what they always say. i think they _ hamas is wiped out. that's what they always say. i think they will - hamas is wiped out. that's what they always say. i think they will be - always say. i think they will be very— always say. i think they will be very worried _ always say. i think they will be very worried in _ always say. i think they will be very worried in the _ always say. i think they will be very worried in the israeli - very worried in the israeli government— very worried in the israeli government at— very worried in the israeli government at this - very worried in the israeli. government at this change very worried in the israeli - government at this change in position— government at this change in position from _ government at this change in position from america. - government at this change in position from america. it's i government at this change in - position from america. it's always been _ position from america. it's always been the — position from america. it's always been the great _ position from america. it's always been the great reality— position from america. it's always been the great reality here - position from america. it's always been the great reality here that i been the great reality here that america — been the great reality here that america has— been the great reality here that america has always _ been the great reality here that america has always stood - been the great reality here that america has always stood by i been the great reality here that. america has always stood by israel through— america has always stood by israel through thick— america has always stood by israel through thick and _ america has always stood by israel through thick and thin. _ america has always stood by israel through thick and thin. and - america has always stood by israel through thick and thin. and we - america has always stood by israel through thick and thin. and we are| through thick and thin. and we are seeing _ through thick and thin. and we are seeing american _ through thick and thin. and we are seeing american politics _ through thick and thin. and we are seeing american politics really- seeing american politics really substantially _ seeing american politics really substantially for _ seeing american politics really substantially for the _ seeing american politics really substantially for the first - seeing american politics really substantially for the first time | seeing american politics really. substantially for the first time in recent— substantially for the first time in recent times _ substantially for the first time in recent times becoming - substantially for the first time in recent times becoming quite - substantially for the first time in recent times becoming quite anl recent times becoming quite an important — recent times becoming quite an important thing _ recent times becoming quite an important thing for— recent times becoming quite an important thing for to _ recent times becoming quite an important thing for to conflict. i recent times becoming quite an. important thing for to conflict. he will come — important thing for to conflict. he will come onto— important thing for to conflict. he will come onto the _ important thing for to conflict. he will come onto the ukrainian - will come onto the ukrainian conflict _ will come onto the ukrainian conflict in _ will come onto the ukrainian conflict in a _ will come onto the ukrainian conflict in a moment - will come onto the ukrainian conflict in a moment or- will come onto the ukrainian conflict in a moment or two, will come onto the ukrainian - conflict in a moment or two, but repubtican— conflict in a moment or two, but republican unhappiness - conflict in a moment or two, but republican unhappiness is- conflict in a moment or two, but. republican unhappiness is stopping potential— republican unhappiness is stopping potential funding _ republican unhappiness is stopping potential funding for— republican unhappiness is stopping potential funding for the _ republican unhappiness is stopping potential funding for the ukraine i potential funding for the ukraine war. potential funding for the ukraine war~ and — potential funding for the ukraine war~ and it's _ potential funding for the ukraine war. and it's really— potential funding for the ukraine war. and it's really unhappinessl war. and it's really unhappiness amongst — war. and it's really unhappiness amongst democrats _ war. and it's really unhappiness amongst democrats as - war. and it's really unhappiness amongst democrats as she - war. and it's really unhappiness amongst democrats as she was| war. and it's really unhappiness . amongst democrats as she was to war. and it's really unhappiness - amongst democrats as she was to say that has— amongst democrats as she was to say that has caused — amongst democrats as she was to say that has caused joe _ amongst democrats as she was to say that has caused joe biden _ amongst democrats as she was to say that has caused joe biden to- that has caused joe biden to roll back— that has caused joe biden to roll back very— that has caused joe biden to roll back very significantly— that has caused joe biden to roll back very significantly from - that has caused joe biden to roll back very significantly from we l that has caused joe biden to roll. back very significantly from we are abraham _ back very significantly from we are abraham going _ back very significantly from we are abraham going off— back very significantly from we are abraham going off to _ back very significantly from we are abraham going off to jerusalem i back very significantly from we are l abraham going off tojerusalem very soon after— abraham going off tojerusalem very soon after the — abraham going off tojerusalem very soon after the terrible _ abraham going off tojerusalem very soon after the terrible attacks - abraham going off tojerusalem very soon after the terrible attacks on - soon after the terrible attacks on the 7th _ soon after the terrible attacks on the 7th of — soon after the terrible attacks on the 7th of october _ soon after the terrible attacks on the 7th of october and _ soon after the terrible attacks on the 7th of october and basically. the 7th of october and basically pledging — the 7th of october and basically pledging complete _ the 7th of october and basically pledging complete loyalty - the 7th of october and basically pledging complete loyalty to i pledging complete loyalty to whatever— pledging complete loyalty to whatever israel— pledging complete loyalty to whatever israel needed - pledging complete loyalty to whatever israel needed to l pledging complete loyalty to. whatever israel needed to do. pledging complete loyalty to - whatever israel needed to do. well, that did _ whatever israel needed to do. well, that did not — whatever israel needed to do. well, that did not last _ whatever israel needed to do. well, that did not last very _ whatever israel needed to do. well, that did not last very long, - whatever israel needed to do. well, that did not last very long, did - whatever israel needed to do. well, that did not last very long, did it? . that did not last very long, did it? there _ that did not last very long, did it? there have — that did not last very long, did it? there have been _ that did not last very long, did it? there have been marches- there have been marches across america — there have been marches across america largety— there have been marches across america largely from _ there have been marches acrossi america largely from democratic supporters— america largely from democratic supporters making _ america largely from democratic supporters making it— america largely from democratic supporters making it clear- america largely from democratic supporters making it clear they. america largely from democratic . supporters making it clear they are unhappy— supporters making it clear they are unhappy with— supporters making it clear they are unhappy with the _ supporters making it clear they are unhappy with the israeli _ supporters making it clear they are unhappy with the israeli tactics - supporters making it clear they arei unhappy with the israeli tactics and we are _ unhappy with the israeli tactics and we are now— unhappy with the israeli tactics and we are now seeing _ unhappy with the israeli tactics and we are now seeing the _ unhappy with the israeli tactics and we are now seeing the pressure - unhappy with the israeli tactics and we are now seeing the pressure on| we are now seeing the pressure on benjamin _ we are now seeing the pressure on benjamin netanyahu, _ we are now seeing the pressure on benjamin netanyahu, israel's - we are now seeing the pressure on| benjamin netanyahu, israel's prime minister. _ benjamin netanyahu, israel's prime minister. from — benjamin netanyahu, israel's prime minister, from the _ benjamin netanyahu, israel's prime minister, from the american - minister, from the american president— minister, from the american president because _ minister, from the american president because of- minister, from the american president because of those i minister, from the american - president because of those domestic pressures _ president because of those domestic ressures. , ., ~ pressures. interesting, tim, thank ou for pressures. interesting, tim, thank you for that- _ pressures. interesting, tim, thank you for that. we _ pressures. interesting, tim, thank you for that. we have _ pressures. interesting, tim, thank you for that. we have just - pressures. interesting, tim, thank you for that. we have just got - pressures. interesting, tim, thank you for that. we have just got this | you for that. we have just got this one line in from afp news agency quoting president biden, saying i want them, the israelis committee focused on how to save civilian lives. not stop going after hamas, but be more careful. that message from joe biden. it's tricky to see how it from the israeli perspective you can wipe out, eliminate hamas and do that in a different way from what they have been doing.- what they have been doing. right, and that's where _ what they have been doing. right, and that's where the _ what they have been doing. right, and that's where the united - what they have been doing. right, j and that's where the united states disagrees— and that's where the united states disagrees with israel. no one in or hardly— disagrees with israel. no one in or hardly anyone in the united states and no _ hardly anyone in the united states and no one — hardly anyone in the united states and no one in the position of power in the _ and no one in the position of power in the us— and no one in the position of power in the us wants to protect hamas. but the _ in the us wants to protect hamas. but the question is is how israel does _ but the question is is how israel does it — but the question is is how israel does it. and the united states and the president are starting to vocatize _ the president are starting to vocalize the concern that the israetis — vocalize the concern that the israelis are not doing it the way or in a way— israelis are not doing it the way or in a way where they follow conventions of war, really. and you are seeing — conventions of war, really. and you are seeing that pressure in congress, too, as wasjust mentioned with this _ congress, too, as wasjust mentioned with this aid _ congress, too, as wasjust mentioned with this aid package that congress is currently debating and might pass, _ is currently debating and might pass, which includes $14 billion of aid for— pass, which includes $14 billion of aid for israel, including $10 billion— aid for israel, including $10 billion for israel offensive military— billion for israel offensive military weapons. there is a growing number— military weapons. there is a growing number of— military weapons. there is a growing number of democratic elected officials — number of democratic elected officials who are becoming increasingly uneasy with giving israet— increasingly uneasy with giving israel billions of dollars to continue this war in the way they are doing — continue this war in the way they are doing so. some are calling on conditions — are doing so. some are calling on conditions for that aid, and now some _ conditions for that aid, and now some are — conditions for that aid, and now some are calling for this a just to be rescinded altogether. interesting. thank you both for now. ted did mention ukraine. ukraine now. the priority for president zelensky right now — getting more money and supplies to keep the fight going. earlier this week, he tried and failed to convince hard—line republicans in washington to approve $60 billion in funding for his war effort. today, he turned to brussels. eu leaders met to discuss a 78—billion—euro aid package and the opening of formal talks for ukraine to join the eu. they have agreed to start those proceedings on ukraine's accession to the eu, butjust like in washington, there are holdouts when it comes to funding. hungary's leader, viktor orban, gave the green light to ukraine's eu membership, but he has suggested he could block the funding plans. i spoke to kurt volker, the former us ambassador to nato and former us special envoy for ukraine. he said he was surprised the eu has already started talking about accession. the speculation just a few days ago was that they would cut a deal with hungary on the funding, releasing some eu funds for hungary in exchange for getting the ukraine funding, but maybe that he would hold out on accession talks. i think its positive that they agreed on the accession talks already. i suspect the next thing will be an agreement on the funding as well, with the release of funds for hungary and the approval of the budget for ukraine. so let's bring in our panel again. tim, what have you made of president zelensky�*s funding run? i tim, what have you made of president zelensky's funding run?— zelensky's funding run? i think there is a _ zelensky's funding run? i think there is a massive _ zelensky's funding run? i think there is a massive opportunity| zelensky's funding run? i think. there is a massive opportunity for this with — there is a massive opportunity for this with the _ there is a massive opportunity for this with the european _ there is a massive opportunity for this with the european continent. | this with the european continent. i think— this with the european continent. i think probably _ this with the european continent. i think probably america _ this with the european continent. i think probably america will- this with the european continent. i think probably america will come i think probably america will come good _ think probably america will come good in _ think probably america will come good in the — think probably america will come good in the end. _ think probably america will come good in the end. there _ think probably america will come good in the end. there is- think probably america will come good in the end. there is a - think probably america will come good in the end. there is a lot i think probably america will come good in the end. there is a lot ofj good in the end. there is a lot of domestic— good in the end. there is a lot of domestic politics in _ good in the end. there is a lot of domestic politics in the - good in the end. there is a lot of domestic politics in the delay- good in the end. there is a lot of domestic politics in the delay toi domestic politics in the delay to funding — domestic politics in the delay to funding from _ domestic politics in the delay to funding from washington - domestic politics in the delay to funding from washington mostl domestic politics in the delay to. funding from washington most of domest