the six steps?— the six steps? establish secure border command, _ the six steps? establish secure border command, crackdown . the six steps? establish secure | border command, crackdown on anti-social_ border command, crackdown on anti—social behaviour and train teachers. _ anti—social behaviour and train teachers, can i be forgiven? gur teachers, can i be forgiven? our viewers must — teachers, can i be forgiven? our viewers must have _ teachers, can i be forgiven? oi" viewers must have to decide! teachers, can i be forgiven? our viewers must have to decide! i l teachers, can i be forgiven? our - viewers must have to decide! i think sir keir starmer _ viewers must have to decide! i think sir keir starmer had _ viewers must have to decide! i think sir keir starmer had to _ viewers must have to decide! i think sir keir starmer had to decide, - viewers must have to decide! i think sir keir starmer had to decide, he i sir keir starmer had to decide, he has not _ sir keir starmer had to decide, he has not got — sir keir starmer had to decide, he has not got over it! can sir keir starmer had to decide, he has not got over it!— has not got over it! can you do a sloaan has not got over it! can you do a slogan perfectly _ has not got over it! can you do a slogan perfectly all— has not got over it! can you do a slogan perfectly all your - has not got over it! can you do a slogan perfectly all your five - slogan perfectly all your five pledges? slogan perfectly all your five led . es? s, , slogan perfectly all your five ledaes? l,, , , slogan perfectly all your five ledaes? , , l, pledges? the most useful thing is to do the one that _ pledges? the most useful thing is to do the one that wears _ pledges? the most useful thing is to do the one that wears forgot, - pledges? the most useful thing is to do the one that wears forgot, labour �*s 18 taxes that they are going to raise to close that their black hole and ones they have not ruled out. let's talk about your black hole, liz truss — let's talk about your black hole, liz truss on _ let's talk about your black hole, liz truss on steroids! john curtice will give his 60 seconds on sunday need to know on the polls. standing at just 20%, conservative support is now at its lowest ever in british polling history. match of the day theme. and remember this? why do politicians always want to show how much they love the beautiful game? and forget 90 minutes, our team at the desk for the next 75 minutes this week. andy burnham, labour mayor of greater manchester. and nadine dorries, former conservative cabinet minister. actor brian cox, backer of scottish independence. morning, morning. we've got so much to squeeze in, we've got a slightly longer programme this week. it's 75 minutes as the election is getting — it's 75 minutes as the election is getting to — it's 75 minutes as the election is getting to its phase. so settle down and let's start with what's making the news as we always do. most of the papers put the first glimpse of the princess of wales on theirfront pages. there she is at the glory of trooping the colour. the prime minister's told the sunday times his faith is getting him through this tricky campaign. his old friend, robertjenrick, the former immigration minister, says he shares voters' frustrations with his own party. but a vote for nigel farage is for a labour dictatorship. and finally the observer features a warning that both the tories and labour plans for the nhs would leave it strapped for cash. let's start with that. andy, you are health secretary once upon a time. you are one of the politicians who tried to change the social care system which has been really been struggling, ourviewers system which has been really been struggling, our viewers get in touch with it all the time. are you disappointed there is not a big plan for social care reform in the labour manifesto? i’m for social care reform in the labour manifesto?— manifesto? i'm encouraged by the labour manifesto. _ manifesto? i'm encouraged by the labour manifesto. i— manifesto? i'm encouraged by the labour manifesto. i also _ manifesto? i'm encouraged by the labour manifesto. i also think - manifesto? i'm encouraged by the labour manifesto. i also think it i manifesto? i'm encouraged by the labour manifesto. i also think it isi labour manifesto. i also think it is good that ed davey has been talking about care in this campaign. something has to change. we cannot go on like this. i have family experience of this at the moment. the situation where care workers are coming into the home in the morning, and if something is likely wrong, theyjust ring 999. if you have a social care system like that, in the end it will collapse the nhs. the pressure it is putting on the nhs is huge. i had a plan for social care in 2010. 1&1 huge. i had a plan for social care in 2010. ' , ., , huge. i had a plan for social care in 2010. ' y ., , a, ., huge. i had a plan for social care in 2010._ sadly, - huge. i had a plan for social care| in 2010._ sadly, the in 2010. 14 years ago. sadly, the tories sabotaged _ in 2010. 14 years ago. sadly, the tories sabotaged it _ in 2010. 14 years ago. sadly, the tories sabotaged it with - tories sabotaged it with scaremongering, but, before nadine comes in, so did theresa may and 17. and so did borisjohnson in 2019. yes, and labour were scaremongering and that cannot be defended. wes has and that cannot be defended. wes has a plan for a national care service which is what i was talking about all those years ago, it has got to be a different plan because circumstances has changed but if there is going to be a labour government, i would ask everybody in the new parliament to get behind that plan to fix social care because you cannot but the nhs back on its feet without fixing social care. irate feet without fixing social care. we will talk about that quite a lot this morning because it is something which is missing from the big parties manifestos. we have not heard from the snp yet, brian, but what have you picked out from the other big manifesto launches this week? ,,. other big manifesto launches this week? ,. ., other big manifesto launches this week? ., ., reall 7 week? same old, same old. really? i think, yeah. — week? same old, same old. really? i think. yeah. we _ week? same old, same old. really? i think, yeah, we are _ week? same old, same old. really? i think, yeah, we are not— week? same old, same old. really? i think, yeah, we are not progressing l think, yeah, we are not progressing in the _ think, yeah, we are not progressing in the way— think, yeah, we are not progressing in the way that we should progress. and we _ in the way that we should progress. and we are — in the way that we should progress. and we are being a little over canny about _ and we are being a little over canny about certain things. i agree with andy— about certain things. i agree with andy about the social care situation, i think we have to really attend _ situation, i think we have to really attend to — situation, i think we have to really attend to that big time. but there isjust_ attend to that big time. but there isjust so— attend to that big time. but there isjust so much attend to that big time. but there is just so much which attend to that big time. but there isjust so much which is very difficult _ isjust so much which is very difficult to — isjust so much which is very difficult to choose out who is who, really _ difficult to choose out who is who, really i_ difficult to choose out who is who, really. i fight. difficult to choose out who is who, really. ifight. my difficult to choose out who is who, really. i fight. my feeling difficult to choose out who is who, really. ifight. my feeling is, we 'ust really. ifight. my feeling is, we just need — really. ifight. my feeling is, we just need to get rid of the present government, that is the most important thing as far as i am concerned. and i think at the moment, _ concerned. and i think at the moment, it's a very... i don't know, i moment, it's a very... idon't know, hust— moment, it's a very... idon't know, ijust wish— moment, it's a very... i don't know, ijust wish i— moment, it's a very... i don't know, ijust wish i could be clearer about what _ ijust wish i could be clearer about what is _ ijust wish i could be clearer about what is going on, and i'm not. i'm not getting — what is going on, and i'm not. i'm not getting a _ what is going on, and i'm not. i'm not getting a sense of what is what and who _ not getting a sense of what is what and who is — not getting a sense of what is what and who is who. i'm getting a sense of who— and who is who. i'm getting a sense of who is— and who is who. i'm getting a sense of who is against and who is, you know, _ of who is against and who is, you know. but— of who is against and who is, you know, but i'm not getting enough of where _ know, but i'm not getting enough of where we _ know, but i'm not getting enough of where we are supposed to be going. particularly— where we are supposed to be going. particularly in relationship to poverty. _ particularly in relationship to poverty, particularly in relationship to the care of the working — relationship to the care of the working class, and i feel the working _ working class, and i feel the working class, and i feel the working class are systematically being _ working class are systematically being sidestepped for a very long time _ being sidestepped for a very long time. so— being sidestepped for a very long time, ,, ., ., being sidestepped for a very long time. ., ,, ., , time. so what keir starmer put forward has — time. so what keir starmer put forward has not _ time. so what keir starmer put forward has not impressed - time. so what keir starmer put| forward has not impressed you? time. so what keir starmer put. forward has not impressed you? it has to a certain extent, but my main thing _ has to a certain extent, but my main thing is _ has to a certain extent, but my main thing is that— has to a certain extent, but my main thing is that we get rid of this government. that is the most important _ government. that is the most important thing as far as i'm concerned. important thing as far as i'm concerned-— important thing as far as i'm concerned. ., , ., , ., concerned. nadine, your party are struggling. _ concerned. nadine, your party are struggling. you _ concerned. nadine, your party are struggling, you have _ concerned. nadine, your party are struggling, you have been - concerned. nadine, your party are struggling, you have been rude i concerned. nadine, your party are i struggling, you have been rude about rishi sunak on lots of occasions but many of your colleagues are knocking on doors around the country at the moment. tell me that the what set in —— they say that the rot set in under borisjohnson and got worse under borisjohnson and got worse under liz truss, you backed most of them so do you feel some responsibility about how difficult it is for your colleagues in the country? i it is for your colleagues in the count ? , it is for your colleagues in the count ? h, ., it is for your colleagues in the count ? ., , ., country? i say i have been more factual than _ country? i say i have been more factual than rude, _ country? i say i have been more factualthan rude, i— country? i say i have been more factualthan rude, i always - country? i say i have been more factual than rude, i always try . country? i say i have been more i factual than rude, i always try not to he _ factual than rude, i always try not to be rude — factual than rude, i always try not to be rude i_ factual than rude, i always try not to be rude. i have _ factual than rude, i always try not to be rude. i have been— factual than rude, i always try not to be rude. i have been factual. factual than rude, i always try notl to be rude. i have been factual but the fact— to be rude. i have been factual but the fact that — to be rude. i have been factual but the fact that rishi _ to be rude. i have been factual but the fact that rishi sunak— to be rude. i have been factual but the fact that rishi sunak is - to be rude. i have been factual but the fact that rishi sunak is losing i the fact that rishi sunak is losing the fact that rishi sunak is losing the conservative _ the fact that rishi sunak is losing the conservative party— the fact that rishi sunak is losing the conservative party its - the fact that rishi sunak is losing the conservative party its huge . the conservative party its huge majority~ — the conservative party its huge majority~ and _ the conservative party its huge majority. and what _ the conservative party its huge majority. and what i _ the conservative party its huge majority. and what i find, - the conservative party its huge majority. and what i find, and i the conservative party its huge| majority. and what i find, and i the conservative party its huge - majority. and what i find, and i am probably— majority. and what i find, and i am probably on— majority. and what i find, and i am probably on the _ majority. and what i find, and i am probably on the doorstep _ majority. and what i find, and i am probably on the doorstep because i majority. and what i find, and i am i probably on the doorstep because you have a _ probably on the doorstep because you have a full—time _ probably on the doorstep because you have a full—time job _ probably on the doorstep because you have a full—time job here, _ probably on the doorstep because you have a full—time job here, slightly- have a full—time job here, slightly more _ have a full—time job here, slightly more than — have a full—time job here, slightly more than you _ have a full—time job here, slightly more than you are _ have a full—time job here, slightly more than you are at _ have a full—time job here, slightly more than you are at the - more than you are at the moment, what _ more than you are at the moment, what people — more than you are at the moment, what people are _ more than you are at the moment, what people are very— more than you are at the moment, what people are very angry - more than you are at the moment, what people are very angry about i more than you are at the moment, | what people are very angry about is that when_ what people are very angry about is that when conservative _ what people are very angry about is that when conservative mps - what people are very angry about is that when conservative mp5 or - what people are very angry about is that when conservative mp5 or anyl that when conservative mp5 or any mp5 that when conservative mp5 or any mps decide — that when conservative mp5 or any mps decide to _ that when conservative mp5 or any mp5 decide to remove _ that when conservative mp5 or any mp5 decide to remove the - that when conservative mp5 or any mp5 decide to remove the elected | mps decide to remove the elected choice _ mps decide to remove the elected choice of— mps decide to remove the elected choice of the — mps decide to remove the elected choice of the people _ mps decide to remove the elected choice of the people without - mps decide to remove the elected choice of the people without a - choice of the people without a general— choice of the people without a general election, _ choice of the people without a general election, that - choice of the people without a general election, that space . choice of the people without a l general election, that space it, choice of the people without a - general election, that space it, we have _ general election, that space it, we have had _ general election, that space it, we have had two— general election, that space it, we have had two prime _ general election, that space it, we have had two prime ministers - general election, that space it, we have had two prime ministers who| have had two prime ministers who have _ have had two prime ministers who have not— have had two prime ministers who have not been_ have had two prime ministers who have not been elected _ have had two prime ministers who have not been elected by- have had two prime ministers who have not been elected by the - have had two prime ministers who. have not been elected by the people, they will_ have not been elected by the people, they will get — have not been elected by the people, they will get very _ have not been elected by the people, they will get very angry— have not been elected by the people, they will get very angry about - have not been elected by the people, they will get very angry about that. l they will get very angry about that. and they— they will get very angry about that. and they are — they will get very angry about that. and they are. and _ they will get very angry about that. and they are. and it's _ they will get very angry about that. and they are. and it's not - they will get very angry about that. and they are. and it's not so - they will get very angry about that. and they are. and it's not so much| and they are. and it's not so much that they— and they are. and it's not so much that they are — and they are. and it's not so much that they are in— and they are. and it's not so much that they are in love _ and they are. and it's not so much that they are in love with - and they are. and it's not so much that they are in love with labour. and they are. and it's not so much| that they are in love with labour or labour's _ that they are in love with labour or labour's policies, _ that they are in love with labour or labour's policies, but _ that they are in love with labour or labour's policies, but they- that they are in love with labour or labour's policies, but they are - that they are in love with labour or labour's policies, but they are very angry— labour's policies, but they are very angry with — labour's policies, but they are very angry with the _ labour's policies, but they are very angry with the conservative - labour's policies, but they are very angry with the conservative party. angry with the conservative party removing — angry with the conservative party removing boris _ angry with the conservative party removing borisjohnson - angry with the conservative party removing boris johnson who - angry with the conservative party removing boris johnson who wasl angry with the conservative party. removing boris johnson who was the choice _ removing boris johnson who was the choice of— removing boris johnson who was the choice of the — removing boris johnson who was the choice of the people _ removing boris johnson who was the choice of the people and _ removing boris johnson who was the choice of the people and then - choice of the people and then removing _ choice of the people and then removing li2— choice of the people and then removing liz truss _ choice of the people and then removing liz truss and - choice of the people and then removing liz truss and neverl choice of the people and then - removing liz truss and never having a general _ removing liz truss and never having a general election _ removing liz truss and never having a general election. people - removing liz truss and never having a general election. people are - removing liz truss and never having a general election. people are not. a general election. people are not in love _ a general election. people are not in love with — a general election. people are not in love with labour _ a general election. people are not in love with labour but _ a general election. people are not in love with labour but they- a general election. people are not in love with labour but they are l in love with labour but they are very— in love with labour but they are very angry— in love with labour but they are very angry with— in love with labour but they are very angry with the _ in love with labour but they are very an