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shootings and as well as about the victims here. >> reporter: right are here in cherokee county, authorities have released the names of the people who died as well as one survivor of the shooting in cherokee county. here is one of the families of a victim that one of our affiliates talked to, this is a woman named delana yan. >> this is so heartbreaking. he took a mother, a wife, a daughter and a sister for no reason. this family is broken because of this man. it is so hard on everybody today because this man has taken this innocent angel from us. he took an ad ad an angel from who would do anything for anybody. >> and according to the gofundme page that her family has set up, the family says that she was actually there for a couples 3 massage and that her husband made it out safely from the shooting but she did not. let's take a look at the four people who were killed at that location, that includes yan whom we've mentioned. paul andre michaels, age 54. and tan and feng. and one of the victims was the owner, another one the worker there. and you know, we have to keep in mind that in atlanta we still don't have the names of the four people killed there yet. and of the eight total people killed, six of them were asian women, the south korean foreign ministries that identified that four of them were of korean descent and expressed con condolences. so many people who have gone to these locations for work and have not come home. >> and we just had the connecticut attorney general on last hour who is asian american. and who said that so often asian americans are left out of the conversation on racism in our country. and i wonder how meaning fit wil be for the community that the president and vice president will come tomorrow to have this meeting with asian leaders. >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. and i've spoken to one of the georgia state representatives sam park who actually heard from the biden administration yesterday morning before we got a lot of these details, so the white house was offering support early on to see how they could lend their resources to the asian american community here. so that is definitely -- seems to be appreciated by the asian american leaders here. and there is recognition that no matter what is being said right now in the suspect interview with police, no matter what is being discussed with motivation that is still being looked into, the fact of the matter is that the majority of the people killed were asian women and this is on the heels in the larger context of the rising reporting of anti-asian assaults and incidents throughout the country over the past year. so there has already been existing tension and fear and now this makes it worse. >> natasha chen, thanks so much. and former federal prosecutor and legal analyst is with us. good to have your perspective. you know sort of the legal line here when hate crimes can be successfully prosecuted. but beyond, you know, wherever this goes criminally with charges, you have said that you think that police in your mind listening to what they said so far are sort of almost afraid to label this racism. >> exactly. and that is unfortunately reminding us of the his tore cam reluctance to prosecute crimes of violence against people of all people of color. and he sounded like a defense counsel for the shooter rather than law enforcement. he was focusing on, you know, admittedly the claims the shoot erma, but he seems to have adopted wholesale of claiming that it was the shooter who was having a bad day, ignoring these innocent people who have been brutally killed by him. and that kind of reluctance is very alarming because that is exactly why crimes haven't been prosecuted in the past, exactly why the hate crime statutes aren't used enough. >> so you say they are not used enough and i know that shows in the statistics here. tell us what the legal standards, as the law is written, what standards have to be met to prosecute as a hate crime after an attack such as this one. >> sure, jim. the elements. georgia statute are quite similar to the federal one. and really importantly, it says if the crime is motivated on account of gender or race. so here, this shooter obviously selected women and he selected asian women. so that seems like a no-brainer in terms of meeting the statute. and as far as the legal standard goes, it is probable cause at this point. there is probable cause to arrest him, probable cause to charge and indict. while prosecutors do have to keep in mind whether they can prove things beyond a reasonable doubt, from a common sense standpoint, it seems like pretty good evidence here. but again, the hurdle you have to face for charging is just probable cause. and that is pretty easily met. so there is something else at work as to why they are hesitant to charge. >> and six of the eight murdered were women. and just looking at the -- remember georgia just passed in hate crimes statute, if you will, after ahmaud arbery was killed. and it includes sex in it. so it would include women. so could he ostensibly be charged with two hate crimes against women and against asians? >> oh, absolutely. very good point, he really should be charged with both. it should be a double sentencing. leave it to the judge to decide if he wants to run that con currently or not. be he s but he should be charged with both. when you don't use a law that is on the books, it is the same as reracing the law which is the same problem that people of color have suffered from, this eeraser problem. >> and if local prosecutors either mishandle or don't take advantage of all the potential legal avenues, the federal prosecutors will get involved, right? you will see civil rights cha charges, deadly violence sometimes involving cops. if this doesn't proceed locally, could you see the justice department getting involved? >> they should. and i think that it is good that the fbi has been involved at this point to look at the case. so certainly this is the classic circumstance where something goes amiss at the local level that the feds should step in. and you know, i hope that the georgia prosecutors will do the right thing, certainly doj, severa civil rights should also do the same thing. the police have basically done their job. they caught the guy. and prosecutors really need to step up and use these laws and call out hate and they need to prosecute. >> thank you so much for being here on this story. we'll have you back soon. >> thanks. morning this morning new covid-19 infections are on the rise in more than a dozen states in the country. you see them there. >> yeah, i hate seeing that map. we were making so much progress. adrian broadis is joining us from michigan. over 50% in a week in terms of new days. do officials know why? >> reporter: yeah, they point to a number of reasons, and as you and jim were mentioning, that is not the picture anyone here in michigan wants to see. they are preparing for a large vaccination effort. and i spoke to the medical director for the health 2k department in the central region. she talked about rolling back of covid-19 restrictions which we saw here in michigan earlier this month. for example, the capacity for indoor dining has increased. shops and businesses are now allowing more customers inside. and she also talked about covid fatigue, people are tired. some have skipped out on mask wearing and data shows that trips are up. that's right, people are traveling. and in some parts of the state, we are back at pre-pandemic levels. aside from these factors, another concerning element morris points out are the variants that have been reported here in the state of michigan. not one, but two. and she said that uk variant is spreading rapidly across the state. but as you all mentioned, michigan is not alone. alabama and delaware are also among some of the states seeing a rapid increase. as far as the vaccination efforts happening here at ford field, jennifer morris says that is where her hope lies. ford field has the capacity to vaccinate 6,000 people every day. governor whitmer is going to talk to us in the next 20 minutes or so and we'll find out how things will play out here at ford field. something else i want to pass along to you, state health officials say people between the ages of 10 and 19 are among some of the highest cases they have seen in the last few weeks. >> really young. okay, thank you very much. still to come this hour, u.s. intelligence agencies are warning that domestic violent extremism particularly white supremacists is the biggest terror threat to this country right now, an alarming report. also influx of my grants oig on the southern border overwhelming resources, the house will vote on a pair of bills that would provide a path to citizenship for some. one of the lawmakers will join us. and much needed stimulus checks starting to already reach americans. we'll take a look at how some of the most affected by the pandemic are spending that 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that? >> no. and i don't know if it was a can he incoincidence, but those bac to back is very significant. because we should not view them as two separate threats, foreign threats and domestic internal threats. they are actually two chapters in the same book. which is about violence. what the two reports do is basically begin with russia and its influence in promoting the big lie. and then the second report released yesterday is about how the big lie amplified by trump, fox news and others are radicalizing this new type -- i shouldn't say new, but this new type of white supremacist threat. and it lichks the theory of the lie to the violence itself. don't think that they are spewing silliness. it is actually am any naturing group of extremely -- >> yes, and armed. and the language is direct. narratives of fraud in the recent general election and the emboldening impact of the violent breach at the u.s. capitol will almost certainly spur domestic extremists. you served in the department of homeland security. founded after 9/11 to help prevent terrorism of all kinds in this country. you have sitting lawmakers in this country still spreading the big lie. making false distinctions, you heard ron johnson saying, well, these were good people, i wasn't worried about they m. five people died by the way. what do you say to lawmakers who either out of ignorance or political motivation continue to spread the lies? >> i don't think that it is ignorance anymore. what we have to do is link these lies to a very well constructed gop strategy regarding access to the voting booth, and access by african-americans and hispanic americans. what the reports show is that this is not a generic lie about voters specifically, it is really focused on the race aspects of voting and the fact that african-americans and hispanics voted in numbers that got trump out of the white house. so we really do have to link to that racism. they know now here is where i don't think that it is naivety, they know what they are doing. so very limited options with they said. you can vote them out. we have a president now who is being very aggressive about putin. we continue to prosecute those who would go to violent extremism. but it will also take society given where the xgop is right nw to begin to isolate this group. so i was pleased with what coca-cola did in atlanta in stopping funding -- or campaign support for candidates who support the lie. it is going to take seefforts le that because many in the gop not only won't stop, they are invested in not stopping. they will claim that this has nothing to do with violence, but the evidence is pretty clear now. >> tell us how does the increasing violence against asian americans felt into this broader threat? because we have talked more about certainly violence against black americans, violence against latino americans. and listen, you know, prejudice against muslim americans. look at the muslim travel ban. but tell us how the threat to asian americans fits into this. >> so it is part of a larger theory. and i'd had r te to give it credence. it is a belief that america's growing diversity, we will be a majority noncaucasian country in the next couple of decades. it is a belief that that diversity actually displaces them. so that justifies -- what is important is that that justifies violence because in other words it is a zero sum game. so what else we have to remember with how trump talked about covid, is that all of this was nurtured for the last four years. and that nurturing of all kinds of racism and sexism of course is going to have its consequences. so they are linked and i call it the hate stew, sometimes it is hard to tell who is animating whom. but it means a lot to have a president who doesn't nurture it, who condemns it, and now it is up to others in society from corporations, institutions, individuals to begin the process of isolating it because we cannot count on our political leaders, suspectly those in tin the gop. >> julia keim, it is alarming and i know we'll be talking about this more. thanks very much. ahead, the hmigrant surge comes as they are pushing a couple bills today and one of the democrats leading the charge on the biggest of the bills will join us. 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