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today closed captioning brought to you by thunder shirt, constant gentle pressure for a calmer pet. if your dog suffers from fear of thunder, fireworks separation, or any other anxieties, thunder shirt can help thunder shirts find it. retailers like pet smart and petco tonight, i'll 360 big legal breaks for the former president. >> two of his three remaining trials get pushed back further one indefinitely also tonight, why trump's about to lose the privilege of karen, the guns. he's had a permit to carry for years. and later, marking 80 years since the d-day invasion with some of the last surviving veterans of the operation that turned the tide of world war ii good evening. thanks for joining us and how difference in ideas from just a few days ago when a new york jury convicted the former because on 34 felony counts, six days later, other than all charges being dropped, it's hard to imagine a day going any better for criminal defendant than this day went for donald trump. first, aileen cannon, the judge overseeing his classified documents, trial in florida. today, revamped the timetable, pushing a number of pretrial hearings later. she did this less than a day after announcing a june 21 hearing on a defense request to declare special counsel jack smith's appointment illegitimate hearing to which people who are not party to the case are invited to take part. then in georgia, the other shoe drop to state appeals court put fulton county district attorney fani willis is case against the former president isn't an on-hold indefinitely. meanwhile, the president, the former president, is talking retribution. here he is last evening on newsmax floating the idea of using the criminal justice system if reelected again does that mean the next president does it to them? that's really the question. it's terrible, terrible past that they're leading us to and it's very possible that it's going to have to happen to them. >> it's going to have to happen to them very possible. we'll talk about that tonight first though, how today provided powerful evidence. that donald trump is getting every benefit right now that the criminal justice system provides to the accused, seen exact cone joined us now with more on the georgia rulings. so what exactly did this appeals courts say and what does it mean? the chances of this k is going to trial before the election or at all yeah. >> anderson, the order today, making very clear that the criminal prosecution of donald trump in georgia cannot continue until the appeals court decides whether or not fulton county district attorney fani willis should be disqualified from the case, and that means intersting the chances of this case donald trump's standing trial in georgia before the 2024 election are effectively zero. and it also raises questions about whether a trial will happen at all. now, typically what happens when the appeals court in georgia takes up an issue is that the proceedings in the lower trial quarter automatically stayed put on pause but this case was a little bit different, a little bit odd in that the judges at the trial court level, scott mcafee, allowed the proceedings to continue, even if the appeals court took it up. so that's why we saw today the appeals court officially pausing all proceedings in scott mcafee is courtroom until the disqualification matter is resolved. and look, that means we have several more months ahead of us. have he litigating those allegations about fani willis is personal life about whether she financially benefited from a romantic relationship with her top prosecutor instead of preparing for trial of donald trump and his fellow co-defendants georgia. >> and how's the trump team reacted? >> yeah, trump's lead attorney in the georgia case, do you say dow acknowledging that this was a win for him and his client, donald trump. he said, quote, the georgia court of appeals is properly stayed all proceedings against president trump in the trial court pending its decision on our interlocutory appeal, which argues the case should be dismissed and fulton county de willis should be disqualified for her misconduct. and we haven't heard from donald trump himself in the aftermath of this order from the appeals court, the district attorney's office declined to comment as they sort of way their options, but look enters and as we said, if the fani willis is removed from this case or sub told me for months that the case effectively goes away. so that's the stakes that we're looking at. here. >> is that cohen thanks so much now the documents case and how judge cannon's latest decisions will slow things down and potentially complicate them as well. >> scenes kaitlan, poland's has more on that. so talking about what judge cannon ordered in terms of this hearing about jack smith's legitimacy as special counsel? >> yeah. so anderson, this is a hearing that she's having over the course of three days in late june and she's going to be looking at different things on the table before her. not all of those things when they're often brought to judges get hearings. but in this case, she does want to have a de and a half of hearings about the constitution canals at of the special counsel's office criticizing the special counsel. and it's calling it illegitimate. that is often invoked in political circles. but when that question gets before judges in the modern era of special counsel's offices bringing criminal cases. >> it's failed over and over and over again. >> judges have said no special counsel's are legitimate, but judge cannon, she wants to entertain quite a bit of arguments on this. she wants to have the de and a half long hearing and then on top of that, she's making this very unusual move. in a criminal trial court and allowing third parties to come in and argue to help both sides. two parties arguing points that donald trump's team will be making before her, and another sayyed arguing points that the justice department is also going to be arguing to her and what other motions has the judge yet to rule on? >> there's a lot that judge cannon, it's still has to deal with. there's this before her. it is one of five of the different options or attempts donald trump's team has made to have the case against them dismissed. >> there are a bunch of other things that she has yet to do in this case she needs to look at his request to throw out evidence gathered in the search of mar-a-lago to throw out evidence gathered in a grand jury from his former attorney. >> she's going to be looking at the end of june in this three-day hearing proceeding, a gag order request west from the prosecutors, and then they're also out there is something she said she would have for the defense team. they've asked for basically a mini-trial where they could potentially put under oath investigators that worked on this and question them in her court that was supposed to be at the end of the end of june but just today, she said, we're not going to have that. i'm going to reschedule it at a later time. and of course, over all of this, anderson, no trial date. and no trial date anytime soon. based on all of the things that this judge still has to work through, katelyn polantz. thanks. jony his now former federal judge, nancy gardner, bestselling author and former federal prosecutor, jeffrey thuban, and cnn legal analyst, norm eyes and jeff, how unusual is this for judge cannon too? first, let's talk about the allowing third parties in this whole way she is conducted this case is wildly totally crazily unusual, and the allowing of outsiders to participate in a de and-a-half hearing that most judges would decide on briefs or maybe he give ten minutes aside to argue, is just a another illustration that she is trying to kill this prosecution. that's the only conclusion you can draw. no other judge in the federal system that i'm aware of would treat these issues, anything like what she's gonna do, judge gardner, i mean, you've been critical of judge cannon's handling in this case required quite some time what he make of her opening up the debate over jack smith's authority to some of trump's outside allies well, let's step back. >> what she's effectively doing is taking a number of the only way to describe them or maga, arguments, arguments about selective vindictive prosecution in this case arguments about the special prosecutor legitimizing them by giving them a hearing time as jeff was describing, which is literally unheard of. i i've never heard of a case either in which oral argument was granted to a miki to this degree i think she's rehearsing for a higher position. and that's really troubling you. >> i mean, you think it's a nefarious explanation well, if not, i think that that's one explanation. >> one explanation is that she's inexperienced. the other explanation as she is really legitimizing these are arguments with respect to the special counsel that have been rejected by the supreme court over and over again. however, justice judge cannon is living in a world in which the supreme court has not been valuing its own precedent. so she's giving it the old college try which no other judge in her position would have done rather than one of the other things that was put off for this hearing, rather than dealing with a various challenges to the classified information, rather than dealing with discovery issues. she's basically leapfrogging over the kinds of things that a judge who really meant to take this case to try file would do and then legitimizing arguments which really have no legitimacy whatsoever. >> norm. >> are you appalled it's pretty bad. >> anderson remember, george w bush called himself the decider. that's what judges are supposed to do. they're supposed to decide judge cannon is the stoller, the procrastinator and it just the opposite of what you would expect from really almost any other judge in the entire federal system the argument any other judge really almost anyone else. >> it's one of the worst performances any any of us have seen. her mindset. of course none of us knows what's going on. there may be an element not just of currying favor with trump or of other ill intentioned goals she may also be scared. she sees how donald trump can turn on a judge. she sees what he's done in new york g and her family have to live in fort pierce in a way, if she's doing it fear or if there's an element that's even worse, we look to federal judges to decide the cases to move them along. this case shook it like blink with their eyebrows and send a message like, how hostage on my back. right? yeah, goodbye. >> but this is just i mean, there are a lot of discretion that judges have and they're conservative judges. there are liberal judges. but what she is doing is really an embarrassment for the legal system. i mean, the idea that you know, as, as nancy said legitimate ising these terrible arguments. but at such length. and delaying, is there any legal recourse just in terms of like, i mean other than just saying like this is just well, this is this is a question if she does find despite the fact that in the paul manafort and andrew miller attacks on robert malek hunter biden just tried throwing out those ventral counsel if she flies in the face of all precedent and says either under the appointments clause of the constitution or the appropriations clause of the constitution. >> that the appointment of jack smith was invalid? yes. there's recourse up to the 11th circuit. part of the reason i think in trying to understand her mentality, she seems so scared to make a decision that she scheduled over a day of argument on these ludicrous motions if she knocked smith out, that can go up to the 11th circuit and she can be removed by the 11th circuit. that's why she's being so careful, so slow, she doesn't want that, judge, how rare would that be? >> if you were overturned by the 11th circuit judge cannon's case? not so rare she was she was overturned with respect to ruling. she had made prior to the which was extraordinary rulings know. but i i think people really have to understand that this is an argument that has been picked over over and over again. she has not ruled on the gag order question, which which smith wanted her to rule on because that affected like tomorrow and rather she's spending this amount of time on an argument which really no one has taken seriously but then she may be playing to a supreme court who was taking seriously issues that no one ever anticipated. >> they would, but that doesn't really justify her doing it in this way and just quickly, the case in georgia, i mean, is that just indefinitely on hold? is this do you think this thing is just going away? >> certainly is not going to go to trial in 2024 the court is supposed to make a decision note there'll be argument in october 2024 and make a decision no later than march 2025. it's not happening. then. and whether or not it goes depends on whether he's elected or not. well, there's a word for this prosecution. do this is doomed. this case is never going to trial. i think the georgia case is effectively over and trump has won judge burden or do you think de a fani willis should be? disqualified know, i i've said from the beginning that she was sleeping with someone on a her sayyed she was sleeping with her co-counsel. >> i can't tell you how many times that that is likely to have happened. there may be issues with respect to money which would have been disciplinary charges not affecting her position in this case or ethical issues which again, would be disciplinary, but it's not like she had a conflict of interest. he was on her side and i have to say i married my co-counsel, so i'm i'm perhaps should be disqualified from this conversation. >> judge gardner? >> i appreciate your frankness i don't want to hear more but another time, judge. >> thank you. jeff tube and norm eisen as well, coming up next while the former president may no longer be able to stick to his guns, at least not the ones he's got a license to carry in new york and later devastating testimony that hunter biden firearm trial from people close to him about the drug abuse. they witness for the facts, she xabi for a used car, but she doesn't know that nearly half of them have been in an accident. >> likely car fact shows how accidents impact price. so she doesn't have to overpay on pause convex.com you got better things to do than clean out clog gutters, calling filter today and never clean out clog gutters again, leaf filters technology keeps debris out of your gutters for good guaranteed. call a33 lee filter today, more physically, filter.com i have type two diabetes, but i'm managing its little pill with the big story to tell. >> i take i'm staley jati easy jordan's works 24, 17, your body to flush out some sugar and four adults with type two diabetes and known heart disease, jordanians can lower the risk of cardiovascular death serious side effects may include ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration that can lead to sudden worsening of kidney function and genital yeast or urinary tract infections are rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur, stuff dirty and some call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection ketoacidosis, or an allergic reaction, you may have increased risk or lower limb loss call your doctor right away. >> if you have symptoms of infection in your legs or feet, taking guardians, but this will find urea or insulin may cause low blood sugar rallies a us bank and we say we're in it with you. >> we mean it not just for the good stuff the grand opening celebrations. >> oh, for all the hard work he took to get there we are in for all of it. it's tough for sure by less tough when you have the right people by your side. by kayla from kansas city, and thousands of other bankers around the country because together we're proving there's nothing is powerful as the power of us my mental health was better, but uncontrollable movements called td tardive dyskinesia started disrupting my day td felt embarrassing i hope like disconnecting i asked my doctor about treating my td and learned about in grad in greta is clinically proven for reducing tds most people saw results in just two weeks. >> people taking a grass that can stay on most mental health meds. only number one prescribed in gaza has simple dosing for td, always one pill once daily in gaza can cost depression, suicidal thoughts or actions in patients with huntington's disease pay close attention to and call your doctor if you become depressed, have sudden changes in mood behaviors, feelings, or how thoughts of suicide don't take in gaza if you're allergic to its ingredients in gaza may cause serious side effects, including angioedema, potential heart rhythm problems, and abnormal movements report fevers stiff muscles are problems thinking as these may be life-threatening, sleepiness is the most common side effect. >> take control by asking your doctor about in grad zach at viz to credit, we know when you're a small business owner, business is personal every challenge is a chance to grow when the time comes, bus do credit helps you get funding to expand your business? 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yes. >> and that that happened when he was charged now, what would have happened was had he been acquitted in the new york state case, he could have applied to get those guns and his carry license back. the real question is about the gun that went to florida. what is the disposition of that weapon? was it turned into authorities? if so when if so, to whom? >> if it wasn't for i mean, if it's in new york license, does he is he find to happen in florida while he would need a florida license. now, the standard for getting a license and florida is much lower bar than new york. but regardless, if you are a convicted felon, it doesn't matter if you have a license that's a felony to possess that gun or the ammunition. so through kristen holmes, we've reached out to the trump camp. they have basically indicated that they are not going to answer any questions about this. >> that's the price. so i mean, we're going to keep pressing because it makes a difference if he if he had a conviction overturned, what are you able to get the license back? >> so he would have to apply to the new york state supreme court here to get a certificate of relief saying you were a

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