candidates to worldviews and how increasingly the stark differences between them over core american principles truly are different from any other presidential rates, keeping them honest also tonight, new figures detailing just how many millions dollars in gifts supreme court justices have received over the years. >> and which serving justice raked in most of it later in the wake of an fda panel rejecting the use of mdma ecstasy to treat post-traumatic stress. my 60 minutes reporting on research into psychedelics in treating serious mental illness. >> good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight. keep them honest with a matter of fact, not opinion know about the democratic republican candidates for president. whatever else you might think of them and whoever you plan on voting for november president biden and former president trump, see the world is differently one from another as any to modern-day candidates have what's more, there are differences are not trivial. they touched on decades of bipartisan consensus about the way american democracy in foreign policy works. and lately, the contrast between the two is increasingly on display from campaign rallies to courthouses, to cable news. and today are world war ii monument to american army rangers who fought and died on d-day 80 years ago we talk about democracy american democracy we often talk about the ideals of life liberty, pursuit of happiness but we don't talk about is how hard it is. >> how many ways we're asked to walk away, how many instincts are to walk away? the most natural instinct is to walk away to be selfish, to force our will upon others to seize power. never give up american democracy asks the hardest of things to believe that we're part of something bigger than ourselves prison biden today, going to hoc in normandy saying what even a decade ago would neither have been especially remarkable nor freighted with the kind of meaning it carries. >> now, the difference is context today that perfectly unremarkable tribute to self-sacrifice landed hard on the heels of the former president, again, suggesting in a clip that was released last night that the entire federal justice system be deployed to avenge one individual himself well, revenge this. take time. i will say that it does. and sometimes revenge can be justified. so i have to be honest sometimes they can't that was the answer to fill newgrounds attempt to do what sean hannity also failed to du the night before, namely get donald trump to stop talking so openly about seeking revenge it hasn't worked. >> and just yesterday, the foreign president also called for members of the house january 6 committee to be indicted reaction. it appears to his former strategist, steve bannon being ordered to prison for defying a lawful subpoena from that committee. the same steve bannon, who received a presidential pardon while being accused of bilking money from trump's supporters, claiming it would go to build a wall on the board during the final days of the trump administration, president biden by contrast, just reaffirmed the commitment not to pardon his only surviving son, hunter, who is on trial on gun charges. in his tribute to the army rangers today, president biden also invoked vladimir putin's aggression and nieto's joint response they stood against settlers aggression does anyone doubt does anyone doubt that they would want america to stand up against putin's aggression here in europe today? they stormed the beaches long sayyed, our allies. does anyone believe these rangers would want america to go it alone today? >> for more than seven decades since the end of the second world war, the bipartisan answer to whether united states should go it alone in the world has always been no. and outside the fringes, democratic and republican support for nato has been, if not a given. and certainly the vast consensus. so in that nothing present biden said today would even raise an eyebrow except again, by contrast one of the presidents of a big countries stood up, said well, sir, if we don't pay and were attacked by russia will you protect us? >> i said you didn't pay your delinquent he said, yes, let's say that happened. no, i would not protect you. in fact, i would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want perspective now from garrett graph, his remarkable new book just out is when the sea came alive and oral history of d-day also joining us, amanda carpenter, who served as communications director for senator ted cruz and has now editor a protect democracy, which describes itself as a non-partisan, non-profit group working to prevent authoritarianism. >> garrett, start with you and how do you think president biden did trying to capture the stakes of the allied d-day invasion in the lessons that applies to, i think you're absolutely right, but part of what is so remarkable about today is how unremarkable president biden's speech she would have been in any other context. i mean, you could have almost switched his texts with president reagan's taxed in 1984, which was the original going to hoc speech that raised d-day from history into legend about american democracy and the fight in world war ii and the fact is though that i don't think at any major anniversary of d-day democracy has ever felt as fragile or as fraught as it does now, both home and abroad amanda mean prison biden and former president trump obviously have very different visions of america's engagement with the world. why do you think trump's message of isolationism resonates? >> so with republicans today, even as president biden delivers them into gerunds point, essentially the same message that ronald reagan delivered in normal day i mean, this really starts with the disturbing trend in the american right of warming relations towards russia. i mean, that is a huge part of this, it just got to say like watching biden's speech along with it, i watch a lot of videos of the hero's welcome that are veterans receive their from our american allies in events like this don't exist without strong american partnerships with those allies, then i might remind, went towards, well, what does this look like if president trump had won a second term of course, there would have been the anniversary, of course, i would have been some kind of commemoration, but but would there be nato would there be ukraine? would therapy president zelenskyy donald trump is very clear about the direction that he wants to take. the country. his closest advisers, i'm thinking of his national security adviser, john bolton said that he is very extremely close to walking away from nato during the first term in so how do we keep the traditions alive if we have a leader that is willing to walk away from that, are veterans won't be received that way. our allies in ukraine, they may not even exist. i mean, that is garrett was talking about how parents felis and threatens the stakes of this field. it is because it absolutely is real. >> yeah. >> i'm garrett does trump's obsession with revenge? i guess. i don't know. think obsession his, his sort of continued talking about revenge against his perceived opponents have any comparison presented? it'll history i mean, running as retribution. >> oh, absolutely not. i mean, we've the rhetoric that we see from the president in the way that he wants to weaponize the justice department against his enemies. that undermine the basic legitimacy of the justice system use the courts against his political enemies is so our side of the american political tradition, which is so interesting, which is why the republicans are using all these terms about weaponization of the justice department against the former president, because that is exactly what the form president is talking about doing. >> yeah. and i think it's sort of part of the challenge of donald trump, which is he views the whole world as corrupt as he views his own personal motives. >> and so he's sort of assumes everyone else out there is as corrupt as he is. i mean, you look at the what he has said about american veterans the losers who get killed in war what's in it for them what's in it for them and what stands out in these normandy celebrations is this is the last passing of the greatest generation and this is a generation that fought and preserved western democracy and freedom in world war ii. at huge personal cost to themselves the rangers who scaled that hundred foot cliff at 0.2 on june 6, 1944 president and president trump just can't imagine the mindset and the courage and sacrifice that would come with an action like that. >> amanda georgia, former georgia republican lieutenant governor geoff duncan, who's a staunch conservative, said luck as month that he's supporting biden. he wrote an op-ed and he said, quote, unlike trump, i belonged to the gop my entire life. there's november i'm voting for a decent person. i disagree on disagree with on policy over a criminal defendant without a moral compass why is that rationale so unappealing to so many republicans? because for so long, moral character, we heard that from evangelicals. we heard that from republican. >> i mean, that was supposedly the guidepost yeah. listen, the partisan ship divides in our country run deep and they strike the core identity of republican voters is very hard for people across that barrier and say, i am going to vote for a democratic president. what i think the key is probably this election is find a way for republicans to preserve that republican. i identity and find a way to get there. and i think there's a lot of issues where people like geoff duncan was talking about issues of morality can say, this goes outside partisanship. right now, we're talking about the rise of the authoritarian american right? and the context of world war ii, i was really happy to see an a bad written by senate or senate minority leader mitch mcconnell yesterday in the new york times talking about quote, some vocal corners of the american right are trying to resurrect the discredited brand, a pre-war isolationism, and deny that basic value of the alliance system that has kept the pre-war piece. those are pretty strong words for mitch mcconnell. i'm trying to put distance between this isolationists authoritarian fringe of the party and saying this is outside of tradition, this does not keep america safe. and so i think it's again, extremely hard for people to say. i'm giving up in the republican party. but you see a lot of opportunities for a agreement when these that comes to moral issues and protecting the western alliance. >> and yet, mcconnell has said he is supporting the former president, amanda carpenter. thank you. garrett graph as well. thank you. now and update on mark meadows, who served as the former president chief of staff on january 6. what he did in that capacity is now landed him in court. again. first it was in georgia along with foreign president today in arizona, where he's charged with conspiring to overturn 2020 election results. his old boss is described in this new indictment as unindicted coconspirator. one of former president united states, who spread false claims of election fraud following the 2020 election or from cnn's nick watt sir, could you state your name, please mark randall mattos, eight virtual appearance in an arizona court this morning, facing nine felony counts of conspiracy, forgery, and fraudulent schemes because prosecutors say meadows schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency. how did he go from this chief of staff to the most powerful man on earth to this, if you failed to appear for court without good cause, a warrant could issue for your arrest. >> these indicted along with in other trump acolytes, including rudy giuliani, lawyers, john eastman, jenna ellis, christina bobb, as well as advisors, boris epshteyn and michael roman also arizona's 11 so-called fake electors, state lawmakers and republican operatives who gathered in phoenix december 14, 2020 pledging part president donald j. trump of his state of florida. >> but joe biden had won the state, thus winning there states 11 electoral votes. they also sent the fake pro-trump electoral certificates to washington those fake electors hoped prosecutors say to encourage vice president mike pence not to certify biden's victory on january 6, 2021 according to the indictment, meadows worked with members of the trump campaign to coordinate and implement the false republican electors votes in arizona. and six other states. >> and was involved in the many efforts to keep unindicted coconspirator. >> one in power, despite his defeat at the polls unindicted coconspirator one is, of course, donald trump, and that broad fake electors scheme plays a significant part. in the federal indictment filed against him over the january 6 capitol insurrection the arizona election was tight biden won by just about 10,000 votes. trump's supporters filed numerous lawsuits that all came to naught later, mounted an exhaustive audit of the maricopa county vote that found no significant fraud. that in 2023, a democratic state attorney general took office in arizona. >> i will not allow american democracy to be undermined. it's too important. >> kris mayes succeeded a republican who investigated the unfounded allegations that fraud had benefited biden but not the fake electors. the mayes office investigation led to a grand jury indicting meadows at al in april and today, confirmation that meadows will fight it, council. do you ever reading yes, your honor. >> we do an enter a plea of not guilty and rudy giuliani also indicted over here in arizona. he's proved a pretty tricky customer. it took arizona officials about three weeks to track him down to serve with a summons. eventually, they tracked him on his live streams and served him as he was coming out of his 80th birthday party in palm beach, florida. then when when it came time for his hearing, giuliani called in about an hour late, called the process of complete embarrassment to the american legal system said it's a completely political case. the judge actually threatened to mute giuliani. now, unlike the other 17 indicted people in this case giuliani's been asked to post a bond. he was given 30 days to actually go both physically to arizona for processing and to post that $10,000 bond, he hasn't showed up so far, and he's got 12 or 13 days left before he will miss that deadline. >> the grind course he might actually go neck. thank you. next following the money in the form of millions of dollars of gifts and fancy trips given to the supreme court justice clarence thomas get reaction from a four-under former federal judge about the highest court in the land where the standard rules on ethics just don't apply. also tonight, new polling from key battleground states in new york times columnist frank bernie and democrats who he believes have their head in the sand about 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thomas, as you know, he's already facing criticism for not recuse himself from the former president's january 6 immunity appeal, despite his wife's connection to the effort to overturn the 2020 election today, he submitted a revised disclosure filing revealing additional luxury travel to indonesia and to bohemian grove secret of vip retreating the california woods, all paid for by conservative billionaire friend harlan crow, reporting from propofol boc, propublica, first revealed some of the gifts that he got in all of this coming on the heels i've, report from a watchdog group fix the court identifying justice thomas as by far the biggest gift recipient on the court to the tune of more than $4 worth over the last 20 years, joining us as former obama white house ethics are normal eyes in and former federal judge nancy gertner. >> so judge gardner, you've been critical of justice thomas what do you make? have him just now officially disclosing those trips paid for by harlan crow does that make the situation and it's too little? >> well, it makes it somewhat better, but it's still too little too late. >> i mean, here here i have to pause. federal judges have decent salary and you're not supposed to accept gifts without disclosing, without there being disclosed so that people know who are supporting, you know what, who's funding you so he did disclose that. but the larger picture is still disturbing judges, for example, could not accept speaking fees i traveled around the world and i would give speeches for free and if you are not supposed to accept honorarium, there was an effort to change that in 2000 and it was actually called the keep scalia on the bench. bill by some lawmakers. and it was defeated because people didn't want judges to get money from private sources. that would then cast doubt on their impartiality. so essentially what thomas has done is effectively bypassed, done an end run around that so that he could get these, these lavish trips that really is so outstrips every other justice. so outstrips every other judge essentially, that's what kept him on the bench. he could then have a lifestyle that was supported by others and who the others are is an open question and their impact on him is an open question, but it's a complete and run around all of the rules and normal, we should point out justice thomas, he's big on talking about how he just loves to travel around in his rv and stay in trailer parks that's clearly not what he's been doing at the bohemian grove and in bali and all these places paid for we're by others norm, i mean justice alito, who's obviously been criticized for failing to disclose luxury travel paid for by billionaire with interest for the court told the wall street journal last year that congress has no power to impose new ethics or disclosure rules on the court. he said, quote, i know this is a controversial view, but i'm willing to say it. no provision of the constitution gives him the jordi to regulate the 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