the source. >> tonight, new details on a critical interview for donald trump with a probation officer ahead of it? the sentencing here in new york, plus bree bianna a tickets free luxury trips, and several six-figure book deals. i supreme court that was already under scrutiny. let me is now under even more tonight and a game show giant signing off after four decades had say jack is taking his final spin tonight on real the fortune. another tv tightened tom bergeron is here to talk about it. i'm kaitlin collins, and this is the source donald trump often claims loudly and repeatedly that the entire legal system dome is rigged against him. >> but he's not to have one privilege that not all convicted felons actually get tonight. >> the judge who is overseeing his hush money case, justice juan merchan, says he will allow trump's lead attorney, todd blanche, to attend an interview before trump is sentenced here in new york on july 11, typically, the defendant would meet one-on-one with a probation officer without an attorney present for this pre-sentencing investigation. but trump is now a law allowed to bring todd blanche along. and here's why that matters. the information that is gathered from that interview was quite quite important. it all goes into what's known as a pre-sentence report to help the judge your decide the defendant's punishment. and for trump, as we know, that could very well mean jail. but also tonight, the judge did something else. he flagged a facebook post from last month to both the prosecution and the defense now, the person who made this post, this poster claim to be a cousin of a juror. and they wrote that their cousin told them trump was going to be convicted. now there is no evidence that this is real, that this person is actually at all related to a real juror who was inside that room i should note the individual who is posting this personally describes themselves as a trash poster basically an online troll. but none of that context tonight appears to matter to trump's republican allies, who quickly seized on it. look at this senator marsha blackburn posted, we all know trump's trial was decided before it even began. witch hunt and all caps. congresswoman marjorie taylor greene said, quote, the fix was in from the beginning. and congressman jim banks called it, quote, a mistrial in all caps my first source tonight spent nearly 20 years on the bench of the california superior court. retired judge with doris hazard cordell is back here with us. and judge, let's get to that in a moment. but first on this pre-sentencing report typically, convicted defendant would meet one-on-one with a probation officer without their attorney. there what do you make of this decision and how much trump's other cases could factor into this thank you for having me on caitlin so it is unusual, but not uncommon for a person who has been convicted of a crime to have a lawyer with that person and usually it it's the person who has enough money to pay for a lawyer to come sit for all the time it takes to do the interview. >> but understand this is a pre-sentence report, as you said, sentencing when it comes before the judge, basically has three goals. the judge has to decide a punishment on punishment, decide on whether or not the sentence can be rehabilitative. and also deter the person from engaging in the conduct again, and deter others from engaging in that kind of conduct. so in order to do it, the judge needs to know as much as possible about the defendant, and also about those who are impacted the victims. so that's why we have this pre-sentence report and the probation officer is tasked with doing this. so one major section in a probation report is a statement from the defendant so that's a big one and that's the time where the defendant can talk about the crime and talk about remorse and contrition. that's what june finally, they want to do when they want to get a favorable or lenient sentence from the judge. this is a whole different can of worms here so it's going to be very interesting what donald trump says at this probation interview. his lawyer may instruct him to say nothing at all. >> why? >> well, one is because donald trump trump tends to become unhinged and could really say things that really, really poorly impact him in front of the judge. >> and also it could be because donald trump is facing some other cases, other charges and what he says there could be used against him and other proceedings. so that's why this lawyer is going to be there basically to try to keep him under control and keep them on the right track? yeah. i understand. awesome. >> well point. but because the attorney is todd blanche and we actually had him on the show after the verdict came down last thursday, and i asked him what kind of sentence does he expect alvin? bragg to seek here i want you to listen to what todd blanche told me district attorney bragg tonight. did not directly say whether or not they are going to seek jail time for donald trump. do you expect that he will? >> i have no idea. look, there's a system in place that were you rely on precedent and somebody like president trump should never never face a jail sentence based on this conduct. and it would just kind of confirm what we've been saying all along on a lot of people say that we're wrong and that we're we're missing we're missing key pieces. but if, if, if other 77-year-old, first-time offenders would never be sent to prison for this conduct. >> judge i look at that. i hear what todd blanche is saying there, but i also think about michael cohen and allen weisselberg. they both those faced prison sentences for what happened with them. >> do you actually think that do you agree with todd blanche basically? no, i don't. and what is important is what you just said. michael cohen was basically convicted of the same crime, although not 34 times. and michael cohen was contrite. he was remorseful. he assisted in the presentation of the case by the prosecution and he got three years so if you have have a defendant who did this 34 times and is not remorseful and denigrate the entire system, the process and the judge. if i'm thinking of a judge and sentencing as well, wait a minute. even though that was in federal court, i still have to do what i believe is fair looking at this defendant. >> i also have to also really understand this defendant, which means a judge is a right to require person to undergo a psychological evaluation. >> and given how unhinged and incoherent donald trump has been in speaking publicly that kind of an evaluation might be merited because, for example, he could be dementing so these are all kinds of information that a judge needs to make an informed a reasonable, and objective as best one can sentencing in any instance and particularly in this case yeah, a lot of things for the judge to weigh here. judge, it was great to have you here tonight. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> and here in studio with me, defense attorney and jury consultant, we're not us to beale and also retired judge george grosso has been 13 years as a judge in new york city and also was there every single day of the trial when we're talking about what the pre-sentencing report that came out today that they said yes. todd blanche had come in, but this other posts that the judge flag to the two parties about this person claiming to be a jurors cousin. we have no clue if this person actually is. they seem to have posted the same comment multiple times out there why would the judge flag this to the defense and the prosecution? i think it was very smart that the judge did that immediately because theoretically this could be very impactful as to whether or not every juror upheld their whole their oath to be fair and impartial and engage in deliberations within open mind. >> so if in theory, first of all, we don't even know if i'm michael and to sin exists. we don't know if this is real, but it could be, it could be. and it was posted to a court website. so right. so the judge got it. it's exactly what i would've done. you get it right out to both parties, get it out to the defense get it out to the district attorney. and now they can investigate it. they can request a hearing. there are other things the judge could do. theoretically, todd blanche might want the judge to bring jurors back in, pull the jurors. there's a lot of there's a lot of potential tools. but the last thing the judge would want to do is be behind the api for as have this information. not give it to the parties, and not give them a position to make a record and be heard on how it should be handled because it could be. and i emphasize could be significant and it needs to be looked at and thoroughly reviewed. >> who's in charge of actually conducting the investigation? is tied blanche and trump's team is that the district attorney's office? is it the judge who's was still well, i would think that the judge would be leading the investigation. i found the defense. i'm jumping all over this as judge grosso said, could be true, could be not true. i'll just note the post was the day before the verdict apparently. now, the person has a 50, 50 shot of getting it right. but they did get it right. so if i'm the defense, i'm looking for any legal opportunity to overturn this conviction. i'm going to ask the judge, can you bring in all the jurors, even the alternates? can we question? shouldn't them? one-by-one in camera, meaning individually in private, and just ask them, did you speak with anybody? do you have a cousin named michael anderson and see how they answer? you never know what's going to shake out. there are juror issues in high-profile cases all the time. >> and that was the name of the person. but when you actually look at this person one, they self-professed to be an online internet troll. they've made this comment claiming to be a juror and that they knew what the outcome of the trial was going to be multiple other times that we could find. and so i mean, it doesn't seem realistic in any way, shape, or form. and is there? i understood what you're saying, what the judge wanting to be sure that he had it out there, but is there any danger and putting it out there because you see how republicans are now saying, oh, there should be a mistrial, are going to go right back to what i've been excuse me saying about judge mission from the from the beginning, his job isn't to think about how the public might perceive it, what the political implications are. his job is to be a judge. and part of his job of being a judge's to seeing that this defendants rights are protected. every step of the way so we had to get that out. he had to make that available. he had to protect this defendant's rights and whatever they're going to say. i mean, i saw in the promo, you've got united states senate is already like did laura blackburn, i think she was marsha blackburn, that she conduct her own investigation. she knows there is a michael anderson. she knows this is true. this is the poison. polluted political times we live in judges get paid to avoid all that. do what's right. and that's what he did here. yeah. can we talk about the other thing here? that we'll see how that plays out on the political aspect, but we do know is happening. is this interview with the probation officer and i noticed typically they would ask about their employment history, their background, but are they actually going to ask donald trump that's it's it seems will go through their list of yes. i believe they will just go through their list of questions i mean, there might be some charcoals in there because it's all so obvious. but i think the reason todd blanche wants to be in there is trying to keep things under control. i mean, the last thing he wants us for donald trump to be going off on this probation officer saying this is all rigueur. who knows what he might say. so i think that's really the goal here, is to be in there and keep things civilized could we actually see trump submit letters from friends and family is part of this on his behalf. >> and would that make a difference for the judge or du really good guy. >> he really didn't mean it. i don't know. they want to submit the letters, but i will say i green renato, if there was ever it's very unusual that a brings the attorney to the to this interview with probation for the pre-sentencing investigation. but if there was ever a case where it made sense for the defendant to bring his lawyer. this is the case because essentially the concern is that he could say something that the judge made an interesting point there about if he said something that could affect the other cases that he could affect the other k could also affect this case. >> i mean, he just stuck going off attacking the judge, attacking the core, attacking the jurors is pod as the probation investee, his father, the psi. i don't think that would be very helpful. less is more he needs adult supervision then i think it makes sense. >> we're talking about something that did happen today. alvin bragg, the strict attorney, puts out this newsletter about the work that his office's doing. he posted it today, just talking to a roundup of what they'd been working lately. the first one that you notice there is actually about a conviction of a pizza, pizza ria owner who's pleading guilty to stealing wages, second billing is donald trump. i mean, maybe it's very new york. i kinda made me laugh that donald trump was at the top billing and his newsletter or the conviction, you can't get a good slice of pizza for $1 and new york anymore. good go l bragg three repeats is very important. we maybe also he thought it would be two gloating right to break down a little weird, but right. savvy, but now non-gray gross over another to build, great to have you both here up next, this is something quite noticeable. these are some eye-opening disclosures that we are getting tonight from supreme court justices. how much money they're making on their side gigs and who they've been getting gifts from, including one from beyonce, plus a transit teenager does it attach at school police are now investigating it as a possible hate crime. she's here to tell her story the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't be higher, biden. democracy is on the ballot. your freedom is on the ballot. >> trump, there is nothing we cannot do we will make america powerful again, the president and the former president one day two, very different visions for america percuss future. the weight only cnn can bring it to you, moderated by jake tapper and dana bash, the cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27, to live on cnn and streaming on max centrum it scientifically formulated to help you take charge of your home central gives everybody a healthy foundations supporting your years. you're plus tries centrum silver now clinically proven to support memory in older adults i was just being shipped to worst day. >> now let's crying i went sad. i was diagnosed with rob no miles should comma once we got the first initial hit, it was just great tears, sickness in your stomach? 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