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CNNW Anderson June 15, 2024



ridiculing the effort by the special counsel to have a gag order in play put in place on the former president. they're calling it an unconstitutional overreach by the special counsel. and their say this is actually a ploy to help joe biden in the election. i'll read you some of what this filing said tonight. it says like manhattan district attorney alvin bragg jack smith is seeking to restrict president trump's camp campaign speed as the first presidential debate approaches at the end of the month, that's of course the debate that's going to be here on cnn then later this month, they go on to say the following. they say that the motion is a naked effort to impose totalitarian censorship of core political speech under threat of incarceration in a clear attempt to silent president's silence, president trump's arguments to the american people about the outrageous nature of this investment and prosecution. and look, what the former president's lawyers are really homing in on. anderson is the part of the gag order request by the special counsel for this to be a condition of his release, essentially, putting it in the hands of the probation office and that really what that would do essentially is it takes donald the hands of judge aileen cannon, who has ordered a series of hearings beginning next friday. i'll be down there in fort pierce federal court, where she'll have a number of hearings, including one on this request by the special counsel for a gag order on the former president. and as you pointed out this is really an extraordinary thing for her to be doing. so so late after the after the special counsel made this request so can you just remind people why jack smith sought this gag order in the first place? well, yeah. because as you pointed out, the former president's been making very inflammatory comments about the 2022 search of mar-a-lago. he said that the standard fbi order which which oversees all of these all of these searches, including the search of president biden's home when as part of that client that's if i documents investigation it is the standard order for fbi agents to be armed doing doing their jobs, right? that is part of their requirement for their jobs. and what the former president has been claiming is that he was put in danger. keep in mind, he was not not present for the search at mar-a-lago and so he was never in any danger. anderson, evan perez, thanks very much. >> johnny was former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe and former federal judge. sure. shetlands. so, judge, what do you make of this? the legal merits of this filing? >> well, there's something to be said for both sides as always, the government says, this is so bad and dangerous law enforcement in general, it endangers the people who took part in this rate, although they have not been identified, but because it the tax law enforcement, you never know what his followers first, we'll do. and there was a previous incident and august of 2022, after he made the same comments and somebody attacked an fbi office so there's a risk of real danger and that's one of the reasons you can amend the conditions are balle there's a risk of danger or risk to the community on the other hand, from the trump perspective, he is on the eve of the debate. he's on the eve of the republican convention running for president president, and he wants to be able to make his classic campaign speech. but i don't know that he really needs to say that joe biden is locked and loaded and trying to take take me out. that's really all jack smith is complaining about. he'd like him to stop saying that the fbi was trying to kill them and that joe biden is trying to kill them. if you read their papers. and i did quickly tonight. those are the two things they're worried about. stop saying the fbi is trying to kill you. stop saying that president biden is trying to kill you. they're both lives. that's for sure and they're unnecessary to his point, he can still attack the raid. he can say the rate is over the top, but as the reporter pointed out, he wasn't even there and they did it purposely when he wasn't there and they coordinated with his lawyer and that is what jack smith wants the foreign president not to be able to say that he is trying to kill him. >> that's really the two things he's most worried about when you read their brief, that he should stop saying the fbi's trying to kill me, and that joe biden is trying to kill me because that just incite people. and when people are cited, you don't know what one crazy person could do. it's a danger can you just remind people why you think trump's false claims about the boilerplate lethal force language in the mar-a-lago search warrant or is dangerous? i mean, again, that weren't was actually two and trump's is not there. and then in the secret service was obviously looped in sure. >> so you have to you have to begin with the understanding that the way that he characterized that language was entirely deliberately misleading to create this impression that the that the fbi had been given authorization from above to essentially use lethal force against him. that's absolutely not true. the language it's just standard language. it's actually an admonishment to fbi agents telling them what to what to not do when they execute a search warrant. it's an every search warrant operations order. >> the reason it creates risk is for exactly the reasons that the judge just mentioned. >> we know that trump's most ardent followers listened very closely to everything he says when he deliberately goes on truth, social, or in his campaign mailings, says things that he knows are false. and create the impression that the fbi is out to kill him he read, raises the significant risk that someone might act out against fbi agents are an fbi office it's anywhere we know that's happened before there's no reason to think that language like this might not have the same result into trump's legal team is arguing and i'm quoting from their brief, no fbi agent who participate in the rate has been publicly identified in a court filing or commentary by president trump, not a single fbi agent who participated in the raid, submitted an affidavit or even an argument of claiming that president trump's remarks put them at risk. what's your response to that well, he didn't there was no individual fbi agent raised the first time that he complained about the quota go illegal raid on his home at mar-a-lago and that very nonspecific language and misleading statements lead to ricky schifflin attacking the fbi field office in cincinnati, which ultimately resulted in an armed standoff in which mr. schifflin died. >> so that that part really doesn't hold much waiting for me, but i will say that there are some things that i think the government could have done better here. they filed this motion requesting what is essentially an emergency relief, but they didn't request emergency handling by the court. they didn't request an expedited briefing schedule. i think they just assume the judge would go along with it. that was probably a false assumption. and to be quite frank, i think they're application would have been stronger had they actually included in an agent or affidavit from an fbi agent kind of bearing witness to these facts that they assert in the application. nevertheless, what they're asking for is reasonable it is narrowly tailored and it should be approved. >> gentlemen, would you be inclined to approve a gag order you know, i i was a very practical judge. i would look at trump's team and i would say, can you can you assure me that he will stop saying that the fbi is trying to kill him and the joe biden is trying to kill him that's the essence of this. if he would agree to to not say that there's no need for a gag order because gag orders are hard to enforce and how to decide who decides whether they've been violated and they do create problems. they can be vague in their language. i understand that. so to to try to work through it, i would try to try. we're trying to be practical for somebody running with the president that they can't say they want to say their opponent one just to kill them well, but here it's very explicit this rage shows that he's out to kill me. >> he's locked and loaded, he's sending an armed agents. and as age went dark, deputy mccain, the cave just pointed out that's exactly contrary. it says you can not use the weapons unless it's absolutely necessary. and it couldn't have happened here was all coordinated. the lawyers new yes. secret service knew, and trump wasn't there. >> so, shannon, thanks very much. andrew mccabe as well. the foreign president is celebrating his 78th birthday tonight at 5,000 seat the convention center in west palm beach, florida. among the lawmakers singing his praises on stage to vice presidential hopefuls, congresswoman byron donalds, and senator marco rubio said a rubio we learned today was on hand when trump visit a republican party headquarters yesterday in washington for two advisers are calling a policy discussion, not a debate. prep says his team, but helpful. an advisor tells the run-up to cnn's first the election presidential debate on the 27th, journeys now seen as kristen holmes and west palm beach so what have you learned about the former prisons debate prep so far? has he been doing it? >> well, there is no traditional debate prep when it comes to donald trump. but in fact, weeks ago when i asked the debate, prep is going to look like a senior advisor actually said we don't use that word current that work being separation. donald trump himself is actually having some versions of debate, brad, whether they call it that or not, they say things like hidden taken questions at the turning point event and arizona is part of debate, rabbi will let you think about what those questions are and how those might compared to a debate. those are supportive if voters that are in that room, but they view all of this as different ways to prepare him to be on the stage with president joe biden, part of the reason that they don't do it for additional the vapor up is because donald trump isn't no, just sit through or have the patience for that. it's not going to be like what we've seen in past years or past cycles where someone six for the moderators, this case, jake tapper, dana bash, fits in for president joe biden and said, it is going to be these kind of snippets. one of them being this policy session which we know happened on capitol hill right after he met with congressional republicans they talked about a very various number of topics. marco rubio was one of the people who grew, as he said, senior adviser users, as well as senator eric schmitt of missouri. now on the topics they talked about, one that was a very critical because they believe is going to be inevitable questions in a debate what's about democracy, about january 6? how to answer questions about the attack on the capitol that day, how to answer questions about what donald trump has talked about which is pardoning the people who were involved in the attack on that de, now, obviously, they didn't give us any insight into what those answers might be, but we should expect more of these kind of policy sessions more of these interviews, they actually said that part of his debate rep, would be contentious interview so far, we haven't really seen that ease that interviews with sean hannity and dr. phil, but all of this they say is wrapped into getting him ready to face off with president joe biden anderson. >> what's the scene like at trump's birthday celebration there playing apparently macho man by the village people that he really embraced the fact that it was his birthday yesterday, it was his team that posted republicans presenting him with a cake. >> today, they sing happy birthday to him on the stage i say that was surprised because donald trump is very much aware that his age is a factor in this race. as president joe biden's age is a factor and that's why when he goes after biden, he doesn't attack him for his age. specifically says things like it's about congress good of ability or it's about mental fitness. he doesn't talk about age because of donald trump is to win in november. he will be the oldest person to be sworn in as president and something hi again, that he is very aware of. so i was surprised to see how much they embrace the fact that it was a 78th birthday, but he did here today greatest, heads kristen holmes, thanks very much. prison biden is heading home right now from the from the g7 summit in southern italy, capping a trip of probably meeting with pope francis, who made history himself become the first pontiff to attend a g7 gathering. this was the president's fifth papal audience. mr. biden, st. francis told him to keep taking communion as for advice on the upcoming debate, the biden campaign official tells cnn he'll be getting help from his former chief of staff, ron klain, joining us now with more on the president's debate prep, cnn's mj lee in bari, italy. >> so has the president been able to do actual debate prep? >> is he planning to anderson? he is up in the air right now heading back to the states, but beyond the box having had loved ones time last week, of course, he was in france for the d-day commemoration in italy this week for the g7. and now it really is time for him to focus on trying to get re-elected with that first debate are only two weeks away and we are told that ron klain his former chief of staff is leading the debate prep and that has begun and the strategy really for the campaign, this tried to focus on ways of holding trump accountable. so that is really the strategy we've seen from the white house and the campaign over the last few months trying to draw the contrast on issues like reproductive rights, trying to hit trump. >> four promoting political violence undermining democracy. and i think the campaign is going to see this debate as having been successful if they feel like they have painted trump on the debate stage as chaotic and divisive. and meanwhile, president biden, standing next to him as sort of the steadier and wiser alternative campaign official so i spoke to said that president biden has been a little punchier recently in talking about donald trump. and we should expect to see that side of the president on the debate stage doesn't the president have some sort of like big fundraiser in california on his schedule? i mean, is he actually going to be doing debate prep? i mean, continually or do we know yeah i mean his? >> first stop is los angeles. he is attending this fundraiser that is going to feature actors like george clooney and julia roberts, former president barack obama. and then on tuesday he is expected to go to another fundraiser hosted by bill and hillary clinton. so it is a busy time and the first focus as soon as he gets home is going to be on raising money. but then later in the week he is headed to camp david, and that is when the most intensive debate preparations are expected to take place. anderson, obviously this is so different from four years ago when he had a lot more time to do debate prep because he didn't have the day job that he has now i'm daily. >> thanks very much on his now to cnn, political commentators margaret hoover, the host of firing line and pbs, former biden communications director kd benningfield. >> kate, does it concern you the schedule the president has been david axelrod, i talked to him awhile ago about prison. >> obama, his first debate in when he was running for reelection then and it didn't go well and axelrod has talked about how difficult that can be for somebody who has been president for awhile to get back into the groove of debating well i think it is tough to balance the job of being present the united states with preparing for a high-stakes debate, of course, but i would also argue there such a thing as overpreparing. >> and i think that joe biden knows the fundamental arguments he wants to make against donald trump. and i think prep a lot of prep, we'll be working through some of the specifics, but i think you know, he, he knows the message he wants to deliver and i think my sense of this is that the person who wins this debate is gonna be the person that we're not talking about in the hours after the debate. for biden, i think that means being on the attack, trying to make the debate about trump. you heard him, jay say his team is really trying to focus on a strategy that holds trump trump accountable. but i think again, the person who comes out of this debate with the attention focused on him, we'll probably be the loser. and so for biden, i think he's got to be aggressive and he's got to have trump on the defensive. and i think he's preparing to do that. >> moore grandma should also point out on in terms of trump, i mean, he hasn't debated anybody since 2020 either and clearly, you know, he probably isn't doing a more standard debate. prep is a given, you know, he's not interested in facts and figures and things like that. but in terms of strategy, i mean, i think back to his debate against hillary clinton, back in 2016, where he was the second debate he was wandering around the stage. it was very unexpected how do you think he's going to handle this i think that donald trump and we all know this seize this opportunity as a very, he sees this as an opportunity to present himself once again to the american people in a state on a stage, right? >> i think he's thinking about this, not as the policy points is going to make the arguments he's going to litigate. >> but as a sticking opportunity to show that he can be presidential again, i mean, i think he's, he realizes that all the preska is gotten in the last several weeks has been as a criminal defendant. >> his the most frequently his mug shot has been shown. images of his face have been thrown without other than his rallies, we have not seen him really commanding the stage in charge of his narrative. and so i think wounding him to washington, dc, having him meet with senators on capitol hill. all of this is part of putting him in this position of appearing presidential once again, i think he sees this as an opportunity, very much like you saw the stage of the apprentice to play a role and present himself once again as somebody who can inhabit the weighting of the office of the presidency kid. >> i mean, sometimes president biden, publicly speaking, is soft-spoken. he's sort of squinting, reading off a teleprompter, making a speech then other times he's like at the state of the union where he seems to be kind of expecting and ready for and more than energetic engage in giving back combative with those who are being combative with him in the audience. >> i'm not sure which technique works in this kind of a debate format. what do you expect? >> well, i can tell you he is a game day player. he's somebody who really dials in on the big moments. he really focuses in on the big stage and he knows what the stakes are. so i would imagine that we will see a very energized and aggressive joe biden on the debate stage. and i think if you look at their exchanges in 2020 you see that not only was biden, i think aggressive and successful at pressing his case and presenting himself the voice of stability as compared to trump's chaos. >> but there were also a lot of moments where he really allowed trump to just run and essentially destroy himself. >> and i think that biden will be smart about using those moments, standing back, letting trump's show the country who he is on the debate stage. >> we're going to think trump will just sort of attack, attack in ways that one doesn't normally see in a debate stage or or i mean, to your point earlier, do you think he will try to subvert expectations? somehow luck. >> he is he's not going to try so already is going to try to win. it's gonna be di

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