bowman trying to turn this spending disadvantage into a political asset redick nominee get her so often but for many voters here, jewish and otherwise bowman's take on the war in gaza. >> the very last straw. >> i'm gonna vote for latimer because i would rather anybody in office then jamaal bowman. >> why? >> because he's an anti-symmetric pieces so what you hear in that voters voice is anger and that is driving a lot of people out and keep in mind erin, these democratic primaries very very small numbers, turnouts. >> there's about 250,000 democratic voters total in this congressional district of very small number will turn out bowman has tried to apologize and apologize for some of the things he said, but for many voters were talking to, he's just not enough. >> aaron, that was incredible. a lot of passion of that vote. are there. thanks, miguel and thanks for joining us. >> the source starts now strike them the source tonight, we're learning new details about how biden and trump are prepping will go behind closed doors, former white house insiders, the pod save america crew on what to expect when you're expecting a debate for the ages. and it was one of the largest breaches of classified material in the united states history tonight, julian assange, after five years and a high security prison in london, is cutting a deal to avoid any us prison time. we're also digging into one of the most expensive house races that we have ever seen. it's also dividing the democratic party a member of the so-called squad and a fight for his political go life. do all bowman's primary challenger is here with me tonight i'm kaitlin collins, and this is the source tonight, we are just three days away from a debate. unlike anything that we have ever seen, what you'll watch thursday night right here on cnn will be unique in american politics right now, president biden is clustered in the cone of silence known as camp david and the new york times reports that a movie theater and an airplane hangar there have been turned into a makeshift debate stage with lights and all the president has been preparing for five days now with more than a dozen staffers and toe all too aware of the rust that often plagues incumbent presidents in their first debate. in a moment, we've got some insiders who know all about that phenomenon. just ask them what happened in denver in october 2012? meanwhile, the supreme court has just thrown a potential wrinkle in the mix for 2024. the high court is adding two more days to its calendar this thursday and this friday in addition to the already scheduled decision de on wednesday, that means there's a real possibility that the decision on donald trump's immunity claims could come just out tours before he and biden both take the stage. as for his prep, trump is also shaking up his usual usual schedule. normally, he's never in south florida this time a year when it's hot and slow and most of his friends are bedminster. but that's where he and his team find themselves tonight, a more secluded place. as he says, that podcast or the best way to prepare preparing by taking questions from you and others if you think about it, we had a great meeting just now and philadelphia with yeah. >> at the shop, you saw that with all the wonderful people. so but i'm preparing by dealing with you. your tougher than all of them we're told that biden's team is preparing to encounter potentially and highlight on potentially, they are a very disciplined donald trump on the debate stage of course, i would stand in stark contrast to what we saw four years ago, or even what we're seeing on the campaign trail now how should i handle him? should i be tough and nasty? >> or should i be should i be? she said no, should i be tough? for nasty and just say you're the worst president in history or should i be nice and calm? and let him speak biden's team believes that trump's campaign is more restrained while trump himself is crowdsourcing his debate strategy, which is at least a shift from what he was just saying. maybe i'm better off losing the debate. i'll make sure he says, i'll lose the debate on purpose. maybe i'll do something like that now it's important to remember. >> it was just a month ago that trump was posting on social media calling biden the worst debater that he'd ever faced. and also, i'm telling his crowds this i really think he has to debate. >> he might as well get it over with probably should do it early so that he can he's not gonna get any better. >> we can walk can find his way off the stage, can put two sentences together. >> okay. but now he's arguing this one. >> i'm not underestimating him. i'm not underestimating him. i assume he's gonna be somebody that will be a worthy debater. i say he'll come out all jacked up if you're confused to try being one of trump's surrogates, trying to set expectations on national television the truth of the matter is, is that joe biden is not the man he was four years ago or eight years ago. >> everybody knows this and so what they're trying to do is lie, dissemble, and cover up for the fact that joe biden cannot go on the campaign trail like donald trump is doing right now. he has to be at camp david for 78 days to prepare himself to be in a 90 minute debate with donald trump. that does not bode well for a man who says he wants four more years, we have to look at the guise run for office more than a dozen times. he's run for president four times. he's been campaigning since president nixon was in office. this guy has got the ability and we've seen it. we've seen him in debate four years ago. we've seen him in the state of the state of the union this year that when he needs to, he can step up my leaves sources tonight on this or former obama white house staffers and also the host of pont save america, tommy ventura, john fabra, and john love it. they're also the authors of the new book democracy or else how to save america and ten easy steps we'll see how easy it is. we'll talk about that in a moment, but i mean, it's for this debate prep we're told that tonight president biden is having lasagna and preparing. i don't know. it's an interesting deal choice, but but what, what does this look like to prep a president for debate well, it didn't go so well for us. >> and now in 2012 with open the first debate, but state but usually what you're trying to do is like not give the president too much information. you're trying to just give him a few goals that he wants to achieve out on the debate stage. and so there's a few contrasts you want them to hit usually, there's some zingers that are written, but i think without an audience fingers aren't as effective this time round so you're trying to an end it. a lot of mock debates two, so usually i'll have someone playing the opponent in this case, donald trump. and you'll just go a couple of rounds and have like folded debate prep sessions that just look like an entire debate someone plays the moderator and then for the town hall debate, you'll have different staffers asking questions and so it looks exactly like a real debate. yeah. >> they went through a fair number of shelter dogs to find the right one to play trump were on television it really it is, it is a good question how to prepare to debate donald trump because it's, it's not just, you know, when you were preparing obama to debate mitt romney, it's focusing on the policy and those details. trump is kind of the singer person who, when hillary clinton was saying something about being president, he said well, if viewer, if i was president, you'd be in jail moments like that, that stand out from the debate. >> how do you counter that i think in this i think like what kind of donald trump shows up, i think is one of the biggest questions because he's out there in front of his biggest, where does fans and he's like, should i be nice or should i be mean and they want him to be mean and he wants to give them what they want. but, you know, is campaign is hoping that that donald trump doesn't make it a show about how extreme and dangerous donald trump is. the format which a lot of people are saying, oh, you it's gonna, they're gonna shut off trump's mike hahaha. we're going to shut up trump's mike. it might be conducive to like keeping that kind of trump in check. the only i think the other side of it is five minutes into a debate. donald trump's going to forget any kind of prep and then he's gonna go all instinct. and that he's gonna not gonna be able to stop himself, but he often plays to the crowd. he's in front of. i mean, he often is very different when he's in a more muted setting. if he doesn't have that audience, there the assumption is it'll hurt trump, but that also could be a benefit and i don't how does the biden campaign prepare for something like that? if trump is more restrained? yeah. i mean, i think you have to prepare for the worst, which is donald trump saying absolutely vicious personal things about your son. >> your family, your finances, right? live fire drill where you as a staffer have to say to the present united states, all the worst things you can imagine donald trump will say. and then you also have to prepare for a more measured steady trump. and how you sort of perry that, but also try to bring out from him all the things that people like the lease. you want to bring out, donald trump, the twitter feed, and not let him pretend to be statesmen for 90 minutes. >> yeah. you mentioned that moment with obama and romney from that debate, and obviously it was in 2012, just to remind people, this is a moment from from that first debate in denver is the program so critical, it's worth borrowing money from china to pay for it. and if not, i'll get rid of it. i'm a kerr's on my list. i apologize, mr. president. i use that term with all respect. >> good. okay. good so i'll get rid of that and you see a major difference between the two of you on social security i suspect that on social security, we've got a somewhat similar position i mean, i imagine that last day was not your idea i said pause it's not are a little bit. >> yeah. no. but you don't the other part of this is incumbent presidents. >> they're kind of insulated there on air force one during the oval office. they don't face a lot of one-on-one combat like when you walk in the room. yeah. this solute you, they're not used to being challenged, but also they are naturally defensive about their record because they've been president four years. they think they've accomplished a lot. and so when you're challenged about that, you go on the defense, you start being defensive and i think that for biden, he just has to be careful, like it is not about defending his record. donald trump wants to go in there and wants to make it a referendum on biden, whether he is disciplined donald trump, whether he's crazy donald trump, he wants to make it a referendum. biden no matter which donald trump shows up, you want wants to make the election a choice, and he wants to paint a picture for people about what life is going to be like under four more years of joe biden versus former years of donald trump. so there's one thing that joe biden has to do in that debate. it's to make sure people leave the debate thinking joe biden to someone who cares about the american people and donald trump is someone who cares about himself so every answer, so it has to funnel into that and what about age? >> i mean, obviously both of these candidates are up there and we're going to watch both of them on stage for 90 minutes only with 2-breaks. none other teams can come and talk to them or give them advice or pump them up halfway through yes they're both quite? old i don't know if you've done the mouth of the numbers are 78, 81 yes by nothing question about his age, i think voters are as we seen from polling more concerned about joe biden's age in his readiness to be president. >> i personally am not concerned about his ability to do the job. i do wish you were 20 years younger so that we weren't having this conversation. i think he's got to step up their and show the joe biden that we saw the save the union who is punchy? giving and taking and like just seemed ready to do it. >> yeah. can we talk about the book? because it's actually incredibly timely democracy or al tawam to save america and ten easy steps, i think people are wondering if it's really that easy to do that, but you talked a lot about the cynicism that so many people feel they're going to feel that when they see these two, these two candidates that a majority of americans don't actually want to be voting for. but, but obviously we'll be dealing with so one of the reasons we wanted to write the book is in part because we know that people are really cynical about politics and they have a lot of very good reasons to be cynical about politics. >> but one of the things that we've learned in eight years of doing this show is how rewarding it can be. when you step outside of your phone, you've stopped just seeing what's going on on your screen and you gotta get out there and talk to people, meet people, knock on doors, volunteer may calls because you remember that campaigns ultimately, it's not really about joe biden and donald trump. yes, they are they they are what the narratives are about there, what the tv coverage is about there, who we vote for, but ultimately, the stakes are about what happens to us and we have a lot of set, we have a lot of say in what happens in this system. and reminding people of their agency when there's so much media and noise and cynicism to get people to feel otherwise is a valuable project and it is especially important when people maybe wish the candidates couldn't remember the bay of pigs were alive for it not look like when, you know, when you talk to voters though, i mean, this is kind of what you all do. you're on the road a lot, you're interacting with people who i imagined come to you with a lot of questions of how do i get involved? what does this really look like? it is there even any chance to make a difference if you're just a regular person? >> yeah. i mean, there's gonna be a lot of nervous democrats watching the debate on thursday. so you ever certain rating, right? yes, sir. public and x2 and things like we can't control how joe biden doesn't the debate. we can control the outcome of the election because the last election was joe biden, only one by 40,000 votes across three states. and the electoral college. so it was really close and the upside of a closely divided electorate is that everything you do has a bigger impact so what we always tell people is whether you are a volunteering four presidential election state election, a local election in your community, like the impact you have as one person can make all the difference because when winning elections are decided by a couple of hundred votes, a couple of thousand votes, like every door you knock matters, every text you send matters, and not only is it is it impactful, but it gives you the sense of agency that you're actually, you can control what other people do by persuading them to get out and vote because elections matter and they have a big impact on people's lives. yeah. >> and you'll talk to a lot of notable figures for this book is stacey abrams, alexandria ocasio-cortez, just a few on vice and what to look for. i mean, if someone they're looking at these candidates and a lot of people i think urine for younger candidates, different kind of candidates were watching this primary race in new york right now, that's one of those too expensive ever. >> i mean, what kind of candidates do duple often ask you about i mean, i think great candidates are people who are authentic to themselves have a story that informs who they are and their values and what they're fighting for, and to have a policy proposal that that that goes along with it. like someone like aoc, someone like stacey abrams, they just bleed authenticity like you believe them when they talk? they seem like real people. aoc was bartending not long ago before she was a member of congress. i think people that seem connected to the communities they represent. those are the strongest candidates. >> yeah, what, what's your last piece of advice for anyone who's is watching this and interested in maybe it's going to be thinking about this thursday night i would say by the book, that'd be the first thing. >> and then also like don't give me a hard time about the shelter dog thing. like i didn't really mean it. i'm like i like shelter dogs that was sort of antagonistic towards shelter dogs and i don't want to go down for that. there are so many more important things shelter dogs this book, pitch, level here's, here's all say about the book. >> is that where do i look? very funny? it's actually surprisingly funny. we worked really hard on it and all the proceeds from the book, the province from the book go to vote save america, which is an organization that is helping to do everything we can to protect democracy on the ground and other groups that are doing good work. so we're not even, we're not even this isn't even a profit motive for us yeah. >> give me the love of the game, maybe some for the dogs, for the dog. >> yeah. like i'll just get off my it's about it. i'll do a donation to the shelter dogs, some things. the adoption center is something i hope biden wins. oh, i just hope you win so much jail. that note. thank you all for being here. maybe during john beverage old love it great to have you coming up. donald trump says his vice presidential pick is likely going to be at thursday's debate. it might be one of these guys there was no way we are going to allow a con artist to take over the conservative movement. and donald trump is a con artist, just think that it's important that if you're judged by the company you keep and i just wouldn't do business with him. no, i wouldn't i'm never trump guy. >> i never liked him all four from her critics and trump all now, vying to be his vice president and also after a five-year stint in a high-security prison in london for his alleged role. >> one of the largest us government breaches this is classified material. julian assange is now set to walk free. we have the details ahead thursday night my for me it land on the most anticipated moment of this election. biden, your honor, on america doesn't future because that's where we are a nation of possibility. >> trump. we had the best economy, we had the best border, we had the best of everything, and now we get to do it all over again. we're going to do it even better. two very different visions for america. >> one unprecedented night to moderated by jake tapper and dana bash, the cnn presidential debate thursday night at nine live on cnn and streaming on max liberty mutual customize my car insurance and i saved hundreds with all the money i saved that 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