>> sean: welcome to "hannity." two leading governors who had two vastly different ideologies. they squared off here on the show "hannity" and last night explosive and informative read state-blue state debate between florida governor ron desantis, california governor gavin newsom, he did not disappoint. take a look. >> california does have freedoms that some people -- other states don't. you have the freedom to defecate in public, the freedom to pitch a tent on sunset boulevard, create a homeless encampment and lighting on fire. >> a guy, devising teachers, doctors, librarians, and women that seek their reproductive care. you're making it harder to vote, you are banning books. spare me this notion of freedom. >> you almost have to try to mess california. that's what gavin newsom has done since he's been governor. >> you're on a banning binge, cultural purge intimidating and he relating people that you disagree with. >> he's very good at spinning these tales. he's good at being slick and slippery. he'll tell a blizzard of lives to be able to mask the failures. >> he's running away from these records. he's running away from the fact. >> we do count gavin's in-laws at some of the people that a flood california and come to the state of florida. >> it's about the united states of america. i thought this guy was running for the president of the united states. >> you just won't admit it. >> i'm the only guy here that's a border state governor. you're trolling folks trying to find migrants to play political games and get news and attention so you can out-drove trump. how's that going for you? >> try to put lipstick on that pig but he has failed people. >> intimidating and he relating people is your calling card. >> sean: we will hear reaction. also newt gingrich, senator rand paul and stay tuned. we have a major announcement having the program. spoiler alert here we have another big show in the works that will happen next week. unlike the other networks we're not afraid of spirited debate. none of this would've been possible without both governor newsom, governor desantis. they both deserve a lot of credit and they seem to really enjoy the opportunity. both thanked me after the bait. governor newsom tweeted out what a good time he had and wanted to go longer. there was only one clear-cut loser and we will look at the debate objectively. that's president joe biden. here's the reality. joe biden could never come on this program for a debate like last night because he's not mentally capable. think about this. look, i really don't believe joe biden could be a walmart or a target greeter. okay. if you shop like i do. you never walk into walmart or target. anyway there are these wonderful, kind, amazing, helpful often retired people that will greet you. say "welcome to walmart." "welcome to target. what might you be looking for customer" they'll help you find it. i like that because when i go to a star like to go in. i like to get out. now, i don't think joe will be able to remember where the departments are. at 81 years of age and steep cognitive decline by designing our time talking, walking, even staying awake. his hearing is not good. his vision is terrible. the font size on his teleprompter is gigantic. he's not fit to serve. he should definitely not be running for reelection. in fact, he is one major trip and follow it from ending his campaign and based on last night, we know that the democratic party has a much better option who can walk and talk and form sentences and debate and speak eloquently about the liberal issues that they're passionate about and i've been warning conservatives and republicans to watch out for potential replacements for joe and gavin newsom, like it or not, would be on the short-list i've been warning people. newsom does have one big problem. he's the governor of california, the golden state has a lot of problems. maybe in fairness it's not all governor newsom's fault but after more than a decade of single party democratic rule, its citizens are leaving the state in droves. they are leaving with their feet and their money. by the way, california, it should never struggle. it has more natural resources than any other state in the country. i lived there five years. it's a beautiful state. they have year-round agriculture, the best wine growing region in the entire world, silicon valley they have, hollywood, disney. it's also a major private equity and financial hub with some of the largest international ports in the entire world. it is a gateway to asia. but now california's population, it is shrinking and shrinking dramatically and while the u.s. population grows recently or, well, california is one of the only states in history with negative growth. just three states, california, new york and illinois had a net loss of more than 100,000 people in the years 2021 and 2022. one question, the cost of living. the state's taxes are among the highest in the country, a whopping 13% top marginal rate. if you're a married couple in california and you make $84,000 a year, you are taxed, your income tax rate is 6%. that is a ton. it's expensive to live in california. in florida, income taxes are 0. nobody pays income taxes. the state regulations are also extreme when it comes to california. housing costs are through the roof. it's a homeless population. it's the highest in the country. crime is also a massive problem in california, the violent crime rate in the state is double the rate of florida, significant higher than the national average. these are real problems facing the citizens in california. some of the most extreme at the time covid policies in the country. kids were kept out of schools longer than most other states and yet this is an interesting fact anything about the different approaches to covid. covid death rate in california was similar to florida as, according to the cdc and interestingly both below the national average. the bottom people are leaving california for a reason, the bottom line here. it's a hard place to live especially for middle-class americans. california's government, it has stiefel developing, raising taxes, increase costs, failing to maintain important infrastructure like the electric grid and the state has also dropped the ball when it comes to public safety but it's not the result of incompetency. instead these problems are caused by ideology. california can be turned around. sadly a lot of these policies are driven by what i call the climate alarmist religious cult and these woke social justice warriors out there. california has thrown reason and logic too often to the wind in order to appease the emotions of far left ideologues, and now the numbers speak for themselves. despite all this, everyone on earth knows that gavin newsom would be a democratic candidate, better democratic candidate than joe biden. now, will joe biden subside? will vice president harris step aside? because in case of joe, he seems to only care about himself. anyway, here with reaction factors contribute her former speaker of the house newt gingrich. all right, first your general thoughts. what you think? why is this mass migration out of new york, illinois, new jersey, california. but they are moving to florida, texas, tennessee, the carolinas. why? >> well, first of all, listen, i watched last night with great interest. i've known you a long time. you were the big winner last night. you did a great job. you are very fact-based. i love the way you put up charts. it was factual. you are balanced and you stayed in control and really i think it was may be as good a performance as you had in your entire career. that set the stage. i think on substance, desantis clearly won but that's because desantis has a heck of a lot better case and i thought gavin, i've known gavin since he was mayor of san francisco. wrote a very smart book on modern technology and citizenship. gavin is very clever but if you watched him last night, there were two things going on. praising joe biden to prove to the democratic party he's loyal. and personally attacking governor desantis because he couldn't answer the questions. i thought the most obvious was when he said, i thought it was a great question. you said to each of them, tell me something you like about the other state. desantis was prepared, had lived there, like california. frankly his answer could be a commercial for california. newsom could not say a single word about florida, even though his in-laws live in florida. i just thought it was an interesting contrast. newsom had to go on the attack and be personal rather than deal with the issues. >> sean: we go back a long time. i was the mc that i.q. you became speaker. that was for me like a dream come true. we've been really good friends, almost family ever since. you're been a mentor in so many ways to me. one of the things that i wanted to do is where i spent the most time, i wanted to focus on two things. one, what are the issues that impact everybody? that would be taxes. that would be immigration. that would be energy. that would be gas prices et cetera crying. and then the second thing was i had to get my facts line up, fact-check everything because i knew the media would want to attack me if i one thing wrong. the migrate staff, we really did a lot of due diligence to get it right. i thought it was worthwhile for the country to hear from both sides. i think it's beneficial. >> it was really a model. let me just say i thought it was a model because when you would put up a chart, it was all fact-based. it wasn't slanted. it wasn't right or left. this wasn't hannity the commentator who can be pretty aggressive. this was a guy trying to give two significant governors the largest and third-largest states states in the country a chance to explain why they're different. of course the great problem for gavin newsom is when you get down to the facts, it's a fact people are fleeing california. he doesn't want to talk about that so he attacks newsom. it's a fact that gasoline is about $2.50 since a gallon higher in california. he doesn't want to talk about that. it's a fact, as you pointed out, probably newsom was the least touch with reality, if you have a zero income tax in florida and a 7% income tax california, how can you argue that floridians pay higher taxes than people in california? it was just a fascinating moment. but all of it, what i admired was two things. all of it was fact-based. you were putting up charts. you could see where the facts came from. second, when it got contentious, you didn't get sucked in. you didn't become the third debater. you were more mature and more a real moderator than almost anybody i've seen in the so-called presidential debates. >> sean: coming from you that's a high compliment. i do think the years i have moderated debates on radio certainly helped. mr. speaker, we appreciate you being with us. thank you. all right, now to an honest question. how would you grade last night's debate and would you like to see more of these debates in the future? joining is now fox news contributor joe concha. great media show host. along with a cohost of "the five," jessica tarlov. jessica, let's start with you. coming from the left, what did you think of last night? >> well, i was first and foremost thrilled to see it. i think it's an important conversation to be having. i think gavin newsom is probably the best surrogate that joe biden is out there so obviously i want him front and center ready to shine. ron desantis really needed this moment. he has faded away in the g.o.p. debates. he obviously feels like he has a lot of ground to make up for. gavin newsom certainly threw that in his face. i thought one of the best lines he had was about, you know, how's that working out for you, you're 41 by donald trump. in your home state. i love the fact-based questions. i enjoy using data and numbers. it was a net benefit for both men. the california governor was definitely my winter since he had nothing to lose, first of all. i don't think ron desantis moved the needle and got himself any closer to donald trump. >> sean: wasn't really about presidential politics. we are very clear about it. it was about -- >> well, desantis is a candidate. >> sean: innocenti kind of took a break from that but i understand your point. joe, let's get your take. >> for starters this was nonpresent political and television event that you and your staff execute and on. we've never seen two governors from two different parties from two major states go head-to-head in a national stage like this and they're not even running against each other. so this will go down as were the highest rated cable news vans of the air. you had stiff competition, nfl football fijian cowboys cowboys. glenn bachelor and abc which was awkward to watch but that's a story for another time. so i appear is that we see these kinds of debates more in the future. who wouldn't want to see, jessica would love to see this. glenn youngkin, versus gretchen whitmer. or greg abbott, texas republican versus kathy hochul, new york. the contrast can be -- couldn't be any more stark. give governor newsom credit. he did what very few democrats have an appetite to do lately and that is debate but newsom showed up in the problem he had was he didn't show up with very much the way fact or truth behind him because she defend the state of the state of california to defend the indefensible. he argued for example california doesn't have one that highest tax rates in the country well of course it does while florida has one of the lowest tax rates. newsom argued that desantis was somehow a lockdown governor. that's some great unintentional comedy. because newsom was literally the face of lockdowns for 2020, 2021, even into 2022 all while breaking his own mask mandates time and again. overall that i belonged to desantis. i think he won by tko. he came prepared, impassioned. the question is that jessica asked, will it have any impact as far as his presidential campaign and closing the secretariat-like gap with donald trump. >> sean: i guess we'll find out soon. when you look at the facts, and jessica, spent a lot of time fact-checking everything and getting everything right on all the issues that matter. if it's gas prices, if its taxes, if it's homelessness, if it's crime. all of those issues. why are these big states experiencing these higher rates and worse numbers than red states? why are people in droves leaving new york, new jersey, illinois, california. why are they going to red states like texas, florida, tennessee and the carolinas? how do you explain it? >> well, it's about tax rates, that's how i would ask plaintiff. the tax rate is lower. that's something that was a prominent issue. >> sean: why -- if you're chasing people away why don't you fix what's making them angry and keep them? >> well, i think that a lot of blue state governors, gavin newsom included, are trying to do that. he's been much more open discussing the homelessness issue when he was in san francisco. when xi jinping visited. >> sean: he's in his second term. >> deep-seated long-term problems. they don't get six to 20 minutes. i'm acknowledging their issues. but there was so much -- >> sean: are you saying cutting taxes was knocked global? in four years? homelessness or crime? >> where is there not a homelessness problem? there's a homelessness problem in florida. ron desantis doesn't want to talk about it. i thought gavin newsom was brilliant to bring it up. >> sean: you look at the fbi statistics and we'll put that up on the screen if you want, as well. if you compare florida to california and then compared to the national average, the fbi says there is twice much murder, rape, robberies going on in california on a percentage basis. that's a homeless population difference. it's dramatic. on the fbi side of it, those numbers couldn't be any more clear. it's 258 i believe her 100,000 if my memory serves me well. double in california and way above the national average. let me bring joe in. i want to be fair to you. those numbers scream at you. >> they do and the images on our screens that we see out of san francisco and los angeles and sacramento they also speak volumes and we don't see as much of that out of the miamis and tampas of the world and i think it would be wise for donald trump or whoever the g.o.p. nominee is to point directly to california or illinois or new york and see if you want the rest of the country to emulate their economies, their budget deficits, their crime rates, their educational standards or lack thereof and there sanctuary cities, then by all means vote for joe biden because that's exactly what this administration wants and it's hard to see what democrats could run on in 2024 outside of abortion and vote for us to save democracy or something. so if it's an issues-based campaign and all those issues that you brought up last night, economy and immigration border poverty homeless crime it's going to be a hard argument for democrats to make. >> but the economy is the perfect example. talking about bidenomics. ron desantis and it's on twitter. he received $28 million. loin bulbar, nancy mace, tommy tuberville have publicly humiliated themselves as they voted against the policies and they are excited to get the cash from it and you almost made ron desantis cry without abortion question. that six-week band and will be his downfall. >> sean: thank you both. appreciate it. newsom and desantis' degree in almost everything. that includes gas prices and why are they so high and as a new consumer report survey says you know the electric vehicles that the government is trying to shove down your throat, most people don't want them. by the way nearly 80% more problems within ev than with a gas-powered car. and a big announcement at the and a big announcement at the end of the program about next week. week. you don't want to miss it. heat makes it last. feel the power of contrast therapy. ♪ so you can rise from pain. icy hot. my most important kitchen tool? 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