could we see a verdict and could jill biden inside the courtroom be a deciding factor in this case? are illegal eagles moments from the. welcome everybody, i'm neil cavuto and to david spunt in wellington for the latest. this is moving as quickly as you said it would. what's next? >> it really is. we could get over to cure any time the. court has typically been working at 4:30 pm eastern time every day however if jurors may be closed over there is always a possibility they could signal to the judge, hey, listen we would like to stay a little bit later tonight. we got no such indications at this time but, neil, while there's a lot of big names inside, salacious text messages, also a lot -- other information inside, it's really about just a simple gun form that hunter biden filled out. you see them working there in october 2018. you give him his right to testify, declining to set up -- tell his side of the story but as i said he had a big showing of his family inside, including a first lady, the president sister and uncle jim connor president's brother. the president notably that here today but his sister, actually, also watching in the front row. the jury has to weigh three charges -- the first is that hunter -like employees of the gold -- and store on 2018 when he checked no to being a user or being arctic to do illegal drugs or did he like when he pulled out the form, also did he illegally possessed even as -- 11 days and a drug user. the government does not have to prove that hunter was on drugs when they actually brought the gun or even the one of -- within the month of october, is somewhat around the time. a lawyer for the government will jurors of the focus on the presence of famous people coherency the first lady but he looked over towards the first lady, he says that he doesn't want jurors to be distracted with that. he wants jurors to look simply at the evidence and treat hunter biden like anybody else. hunter's attorney pointed to the form that says "are you unlawful law -- user or addicted to illegal drugs creek or it doesn't say it -- so again, neil, this is really what it's all about here. we've heard a lot of different things but it's really about just a few pages on this gun form from 2018, i'd be alone cells are you unlawful user? he says if hunter does not believe he was an unlawful user and didn't feel like he was an unlawful user at the time the jury should excuse him but ultimately the gol golfer's my government shut -- and the evidence is right here according to government lawyers so we are on deliberation was now, neil. >> martha: >> neil: and in speed zone time. thank you very much, david spunt in wilmington. leskovar illegal eagles reason all of this and maybe what type of decision will see. -- andrew mccarthy former assistant u.s. attorney. and the start with you and your take on how quickly this is all happening. they've got three counts consider. you can do that fairly quickly. what do you think? >> oh, yeah, i expect it to be quick. is all reading tea leaves as they say, neil, but the fact that, you know, the push through summations today and then the judge rather than sending them home to instruct them, you know, to bring it back in the morning, give them a -- in and send them out, i think that can have a way of conveying to the jury that, you know, this is not like rocket science. this case -- i think there jury instruction for only, you know, about 20 minutes long in the case is pretty -- the evidence is all-knowing and the questions before the jury are pretty simple. >> neil: you know, mercedes collins, let me get your thoughts on the wrong jill biden my play. it's hard to say. we are told she -- pretty often be looking at the jurors and the jurors presumably are looking at, you know, back at the first lady of the united states. what impact without have? >> you know, neil, it so interesting. so many people have asked exactly the question. the bottom line is -- this is what we should look. anyone of us was a parent would sitting in the courtroom, watching their child, especially if their child can face 25 years in prison. that's the supporting role of a parent and any parent across the nation will tell you the same thing. the fact that she's the first lady should have no impact, they've already been told by the prosecutor repeatedly, i'm sure the judge at it from, would give the same instrument to the jury. so at the bottom line is this, it's a concerned mom, it should have nothing to do with how the jury ultimately rules. >> neil: you know, andrew cherkasky, indian market will come down to these three charges and if he is found guilty on all three person will be like me on to 25 years in prison are extremely unlikely. what is any present time, regardless likely? >> i run the federal sentencing, later on this and there is some confinement that is possible in this case mark likely under a year. i think that the big determining factor here when looking at the sentencing guideline will be the amount of contrition hunter biden shows if he is convicted and then goes in front of the church. there is a major consideration in how their guidelines work in reducing the overall sentence severity. so if he tries to go in there and tries to slice it and i sent thing that he wasn't aware on the day and maintain his innocence able in to the sentencing phase i could see the judge issuing some amount of jail time but if he comes forward and apologizes kind of across-the-board for his conduct i think this is a type of case that avoids jail time but before we get there there has to be a conviction and are below made his best effort to try to get the jury to at least hang or acquit him entirely. everything that is good art of that but in biden friendly delaware it's a possibility. >> neil: you know, to the point and something i think people have touched on this notion of if you don't think you're an addict which i think is what were the fence was trying to say in other words you see yourself as recovering, you, yourself, as an attic, so you can answer that question or answer that in the affirmative when applying for a gun license, so schmuck are what -- but it would be like me saying i don't think i'm overweight, actually i think i'm -- i don't know if people would buy that. some might. address humour me. i'm just wondering how is that as a credible, you know, defense? >> i don't think it's credible because it's not a reasonable answer under the facts and also -- >> neil: are you saying that i am overweight? no, i'm sorry. back to. [laughter] >> neil, this is why god made the fifth amendment. [laughter] but in all seriousness about that, you know, if you have the great fortune on this planet of a billion people to have hit life's lottery and been born in the united states and you have a right to not answer questions that could incriminate you and you then nevertheless decide to give an answer that is at least arguably false if not outright false then you're the one who's playing with fire and i don't really think you deserve much consideration. >> neil: you know, mercedes, we all go back to the preview that sort of just fell apart the judge sort of said well what we have here? there will be one where -- where the -- there was, you know, in hand and then, you know, of your hand and destroyed. it will make others going forward and twice about a sure thing, right? >> absolutely and enjoy and i do these types of agreements for our clients routinely. this is good lawyering. if you've got a great deal for your client, you've done your job as a defense attorney. and yes, there will always be a cautionary tale whenever you have clients that are in the thick of a federal investigation. and i won my clients i'm sure andrew does the same thing. they are very aggressive and they will stop at nothing if they feel that they have an individual who is engaging in criminality. so be forewarned because the federal -- especially the federal government and -- both of them can our former prosecutors, it is incredibly aggressive arena, you have to be very careful in not take anything for granted. >> neil: sort to deport it more on this, you know, prosecutor -- again and again mentioned that hunter biden knew what the real deal was, knew how addicted he was, knew how -- up on, he was around the time he brought this gun, right gutfeld! and said repeatedly in this case that that is really the beginning of the end of the defendant knew -- use cracked was addicted to crack at the rope -- relevant time, period,, kept saying that, that is what this is all about, is it? >> there is a truly overwhelming evidence that the prosecutors presented that hunter biden knew very well that he was a drug arctic in the drug user at the time that he both purchased and possessed of the gun. you know, about the prosecutor made it very interesting point in how he put a bow on that. he said that hunter biden that actually gone to rehab before this car perhaps he would be confused about what an addict is but the very fact that he had been to rehab, would have naturally taught him that he's an addict, once an addict, always an addict, the saying goes, and then you're able to show that two days after the purchase of again, he's out seeking crack cocaine behind the 711 from a guy named mookie. you know, there is a type of evidence that prosecutors in a case like this just overwhelming the fence with butter defense continues to try and see, you know, you can't prove the specific intent and that is true. often you can put the specific intent of a criminal defendant with direct evidence. is usually circumstantial and that's what this case was, it was circumstantial evidence but that is totally normal and it was overwhelming in this case. so if it all goes the way that it should tell the jury converts. >> neil: interesting. watching very closely. thank you for your legal help and insight. and by -- i always appreciated by the way before we take a quick radiological your digital -- -- the dow jones industrials, you know, did in forward where it was the s&p and nasdaq that stole the show and stole some new records too. and video by the way first day of training after the stock was split 10-1, in other words those who earned a share -- sure woke up this morning owning ten shares -- carries the same day that cpr -- that that the market is convinced that the federal reserve is going to cut rates at that meeting but it might signal a cut coming future -- -- meanwhile me 20 oh hunter biden's illegal wars. next up her daughter is dealing with his. >> ♪ ♪ pods spring moving sale has been extended! save up to 25% on moving and storage until june 10th... and see why pods has been trusted with over 6 million moves. don't wait, use promo code 25now to save. book at pods.com today. ♪ ♪ have you always had trouble losing weight and keeping it off? same. discover the power of wegovy®. 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>> we don't know exactly what time as you said this will happen to make it set today from president trump will have a date with his probation officer. you know, basically you run for president, address your question group and then you talk to the provision reprobation over -- with his lawyer, blanche at his side. trump had had his state in mar-a-lago probation officer in an office in the matter in criminal court in new york city and they are supposed to go over the case and trump's personal history. was offended have to attend that meeting in person but judge one mission rented an exception in this case. the reports can also help trump's defense. here's what the new york -- is a chance for the defendant's lawyer to say good things about the defendant like the defendant is not -- or is this -- has a steady job and take care of annealing family member to make the three sentence interview is the chance for the defendant to try to make a good impression and explain why he or she deserves a lighter punishment. the trump campaign says in part about the "president trump as legal team are already taking necessary steps to challenge and defeat the lawless -- this comes as an agonistic attorney alvin bragg says he will testify before the house judiciary committee about the case. they want him to answer questions but he won't do it until after trump is sentence next month my republican-led panel is seeking to ask brag about the prosecution and if the biden justice department had any input or involvement in the charges. work in the president had attacked prosecutor matthew colangelo, he's a formal biden doj official gaming without any evidence that he somehow engineered the whole thing but the white house has denied that. bragg are not commented about the former president's charges but he will likely address that as one of the many things when he testifies that hearing. we do expect to hear from the president at some point in a statement perhaps after this or at least from his camp campaign. he said to be sentenced on july 11th, four years in jail he could face but no one thinks he is actually going to be sentenced again. >> neil: rick shone, thank you. -- and what it can mean. i think i always did have you. how involved -- how much the telegraph what judge can one might be weighing, you know, -- >> are not too sure what it says about judge rick shone. it will be without question the most bizarre presentence meeting in the history of american law. i mean among other things you would have to show the officer that you're actively seeking employment as one of the positive aspects you can put forward. adding that trump has that one. he seems to be quite actively seeking employment all around the country. also to show that you have a history of gainful emplo employment, a million dollars goes a long way into establishing that factor. what is unlikely to be a strong area for him would be remorse. and this is where he has to be careful, you know, these recent reports do get a lot of attention by the judge a and, you know, he have to prepare your client to say look, you don't have to confess if you don't think that you're guilty. many of us don't believe there is a crime here. and so he is not expected to say, you know, me a call for, but you should also avoid getting in to the face of some probation officer who after all it is trying to do his or her job. so i don't know how this will go but it certainly one for the history books. >> neil: you know, i've always seen in these trials in the past, jonathan, and maybe you and i have talked about them wear, you know, is sentencing day and unusually the person who has been targeted has no sort of layer -- letters or comments by friends or colleagues who say wonderful things about him or her defending on the case. and wondering, you know, if the judge has a sentence in mind that he say oh i was going to give him 20 years, no i think i'll give them ten because you has all these nice young be -- people voting for him or doesn't move move the needle at all? >> i think it can move the middle on the margin. thinkers generally come in with a fairly good idea of a narrow range where they wanted something someone. sometimes the allocation, sometime the statement of that event can actually irritate you judge and push you towards the top of that bandwidth for the judge. i think the people coming in and talking about the person can have some influence. with trump, i don't believe there is going to be the case. like everything else about this case, he came fully baked in the view of many people. jurors, the judge. and people have this idea of who trump is. to either love him or they hit him. have never met anyone in the middle of those two comes. and so i don't think that the needle will move much here. but it also would be absurd to cents -- send him to jail. is an elderly undercover nonviolent crime in a very controversial prosecutor -- prosecution. this whole case can be overturned ultimately an appeal. i think judge john one would be considerably outside the navigational beacon to send him to even a day in jail. >> neil: still his interest in numerous political pressure, right? to do something. and it could go both ways, goose want to see donald trump in prison and those who fear that if he does go to prison and even for short amount of time its going to cement his return to the white house. so that he way that order -- >> is not supposed to and i have to say i don't mean to be with tutors towards the judge but after sitting in the courtroom, i want to be surprised by anything. i thought he was really quite biased in terms of his rulings. they went very heavily towards prosecution. believe he normally is known as a prosecution judge. maximilian streule did not make a lot of sense. there's a lot of pressure, you know, when i came out of the courtroom after the verdict that it was okay the roman games. people were ecstatic in to a point that it was difficult to watch. people were dancing in the streets. that the environment around this courthouse and there were other people who were in the -- agony and sorrow. it was a picture of the united states and it was not necessarily a good one. stood there for for a second and ticketed because it was such a bizarre bifurcated scene. >> neil: you know, real quickly on hunter biden as you know the jury in to the -- deliberating on these three contractors is moving very quickly. what do you think? >> look, this is an open and shut case in a normal case where this is not a biden, they would have a harder time finding the jury room than finding a verdict. it would be out within an hour. but i think the defense here is playing a jury notification defense and they are hoping that you can't convict a biden in biden town. that's what wilmington is. that the hometown of the biden's. and i hope -- and they could well get it. but, you know, the fact is you can overplay that hand. some of the defense -- defense is put forward actually most of them collapse within two days and then -- that may alienate some jurors saying forgot stable players for terms -- >> and a single juror could be influenced by the presence of joe biden -- jill biden. >> that's right and it's very minor -- of her prosecutors reminded them whose town this is an impure the prosecutors didn't like it. >> neil: are you. thank you very much, jonathan turley, following all of the. we are following developm