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>> please don't take that away from my daughter or the countless others like her who are out there. let them have their child hoods. let them be who they are. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. in a dramatic twist two countries that have had the hardest time dealing with the coronavirus are now doing the best jobs of vaccinating people. in many ways, the united states, the united kingdom have had similar experiences. we have a lot in common, common language. we both had right wing populist leaders who caught covid, and both societies have been absolutely hammered by this virus. and now those two countries are basically the best big countries in the world at vaccinating their populations. obviously, the u.s. is much bigger. both countries are taking advantage of a once-in-a-lifetime miracle to try to stamp out the disease. remember, in less than a year, major drug makers, right, manage to develop vaccines and run trials with tens of thousands participants before they were approved. and we have reams of safety and effectiveness data with two vaccines approved by the fda. another of the biden administration. there have been more than 110 million doses administered in this country and so far, so good. you may have seen several european countries have suspended use of the astrazeneca vaccine which i should note has not been approved in the u.s. after reports of blood clots in people who have gotten the vaccine. astrazeneca said there were 37 out of 17 million vaccinated in the 27 country eu and britain. in fact, it's the incidents of clots is much lower than expected to occur naturally in a general population of size and is similar to that of other licensed covid-19 vaccines. so, this issue, which has gotten a lot of attention, understandably. it's showing up in .0002% of cases. all these vaccines have been subjected to incredibly, if anything, overly cautious review processes. given the stakes, right? right now, the u.s. and the uk are crushing. now, arguably, the most powerful person who doth bestride those two worlds in the english speaking world is of course, that man, media mogul rupert murdock. he is at a high risk if he were to get covid because rupert murdock is quite old. so two weeks after the pfizer vaccine was approved in the uk, the guardian reported, quote, a convoy of range recoveries delivered the 89-year-old billionaire to a dedicated center in henley oxfordshire. normal hours are understood to be extended at the last minute. a favorite for rupert. he got the vaccine. he put out a statement how good it was and the rupert murdocks, the wealthy and powerful people, they understand the vaccine is our best shot to protect themselves from severe illness and to bring this virus to heel. and rupert murdock did not want to get covid, because he wanted to make it to 90. he did last week. congrats, happy birthday. he does not want to die a premature death. that is not the message the rest of us are getting from the multi-billion enterprise he owns. because you see you are not in rupert's club, not in this social circle. you viewers out there in tv land are where they throw out the chum for the common people, where they disingenuously scope skepticism and fear in the most cowardly way possible by posing as brave truth tellers in the guise of just flinging nonsense at people and leading to more people getting sick. this has been true throughout the pandemic. there's a nightly drum beat on fox news specifically from tucker carlson that is undermining our best chance to get out from under this disease. >> when are we finally going to repeal corona law, and what about this vaccine? why are americans being discouraged from asking simple straightforward questions about it? questions like how effective are these drugs, are they safe? all of these should prompt pretty tough questions for our experts in this country. and one of the questions is how effective is this coronavirus vaccine? how necessary is it to take the vaccine? don't dismiss those questions from anti-vaxers. don't kick people off social media for asking them. answer the questions especially now. >> i mean, those questions were the subject of two 8-hour long zoom meetings publicly televised by the fda where they went through the data on precisely that question. i watched part of it. these are not hidden. i mean, of course, it is fine. it's understandable to ask questions, and it's fine and understandable to be skeptical. this is all new. no one is saying get the vaccine or we'll throw you in jail. it is a free country. and tucker carlson knows this. obviously tucker knows there are obviously easily accessible answers to these questions about the vaccines. he's not stupid. he just thinks his audience is, so he feeds into their fears by lying these shadowy people are out there. they're just questions, can't people ask questions? and this by the way is the most cowardly way to do this. i say this as someone with a platform myself. to hide behind a podium of contraryism because he can't say it outright, the vaccine will kill you unless he wants to find himself gone in the way of lou daubs. here is the data we have. let's look at what is happening in long-term care facility across the country. this is the actual data. this is what's happening in the u.s. once people started getting vaccinated in long-term care facilities, cases and deaths started to fall precipitously. look what is happening in israel where a cdc study found mass vaccinations led to drop in severe covid cases. johnson & johnson hopkins medicine, a really helpful page where doctors answer questions like is covid-19 vaccine safe, what are the side effects of the covid-19 vaccine and can i get covid-19 itself from the vaccine? and the answer in every instance is vaccines from the best data we know appear to be safe are for almost everyone. we're all human beings trying to figure this out. it's the overwhelming consensus of scientists based on the data, based on rigorous clinical trials. and now millions and millions and millions and millions of doses of real world use. that's what we got. again, it's not perfect. the world is complicated. we all make decisions under uncertainty. but that is how we have the best evidence we have is that these are safe, they are certainly super effective and we know how bad covid is even though lots of other people spent a whole year lying to people about how bad it was. and that's the really hard thing to come face-to-face with throughout this last year. there's been a lot of errors people have made. there's been good faith errors and there's been bad faith errors. lots of people, people in media, public health people, policy makers republican and democrat, right, lots of people made good faith errors. they just made the wrong call, bad judgments because it's a bad terrifying disease and it's new. and they've gotten stuff wrong while trying to do their best to help others. so that's a big category of errors, right? but there has been a force in our life for this pandemic between donald trump who went out of his way to get his vaccine in secret and rupert murdock's media franchise and a whole ecosystem that demonstrated nothing but bad faith. bad faith, fully knowing what they were doing. putting people in danger and getting people sick because they think it will rate. and we still have to deal with this because overcoming this cynical bad faith misinformation is the final hurdle for herd immunity. both before and during his time as u.s. senator al franken had one of the experiences in dealing with fox news. and brandy has specialized in disinformation specifically around health and both of them join me now. senator franken, i want to start with you about the kind of ways in which our informational consumption in this country, our political discussions and now these health discussions get shaped in your experience in the u.s. senate, your experience in politics by this kind of bad faith cynicism. >> well, i've had some experience with fox news both before and since being in the senate and they do -- i wrote a book and there's two universities of information right now. there's information and there's disinformation. and fox news and oann and news max others deal in disinformation. and the republicans in the senate and in congress have in large part bought into that. that's why even though 70% of the american people favored the covid relief bill, every republican voted against it. and now they're going to double down by suppressing votes. that's their game plan. and because of that we've got to deal with the filibuster. i've been pushing something that norm orrinstein and i would have worked together for a long time, which would be a reform of the filibuster, which would put the burden on the minority, the republicans in this case instead of democrats having to come up with 60 votes and a filibuster. republicans would have to come up with 41 votes to sustain that filibuster, and then they'd have to stay on the floor and they'd have to debate. and the debate would have to be germane, and i think the voting right bill would be a good one to do this on. and i know my republican colleagues. they're not going to want to be on the floor 3:00 in the morning. this is -- i've bip talking to my senate former colleagues and i know joe manchin and i know kristen sinema had said they won't vote to overturn the filibuster but joe manchin went on a number of shows and said he was very open to reforming it. >> i think the sort of that question of minority control and particularly when it interlocks with this sort of alternate ecosystem is kind of the logger heads the country finds itself. and i think brandy on that point of alternate information ecosystems. i think we all have people in our lives we know, love, respect who are skeptical or hesitant or don't trust big pharma, which again that's not a crazy view. and no one should feel like cowed or bullied into this, right? but there is this question of how you in good faith sort of bring information to bear when the stuff people are getting access to is often not being disseminated in good faith. >> right. well, you know, it's normal to have questions especially in times of crisis, right? but misinformation really thrives when people have no faith in the institutions, right, that are there to protect them or help them. and tucker carlson but not just him, a lot of fox news opinion people, they spend each and every day chipping away at that trust. these messages have an effect. i mean, right now polling suggests that 50% -- 49%, half of republican men are not going to get the vaccine and that's because these messages, you know, really come through. and, you know, the most odious part about tucker's stick he likes to say no one asks questions. tucker carlson has one of the biggest platforms on the planet. if he had real questions he could probably get doctors or scientists or experts to come on his show and ask these questions. instead he invites covid deniers to come on his show. but he doesn't want answers, right? he wants his audience to be afraid and it's working. >> and i wonder, too, senator, the role of the republican party in this. you did see a little daylight with mcconnell on sort of covid unmasking, right? he would do his little videos like with the senate republicans last year where they have a mask and mcconnell saying like oh, i don't go to the white house, that place freaks me out, that's a germ factory over there. but also strikes me in some ways the platform of the republican party and elected officials is dwarfed by those new systems anyway. >> you know, he -- mcconnell will go anywhere at any time. he'll change his story as we've seen of late. the thing about it is i had andy slavitt on today and on my podcast. and these are incredibly effective. there has been -- when they say 95% effective for pfizer no one is going to get very sick who has gotten it. you're not going to be hospitalized. you're not going to die. and we need people -- enough people to take this to get herd immunity. dr. fauci has said between 70% and 85% depending on things that we don't know about the variants and stuff like that. this is incredibly crucial information. tucker carlson knows what he's doing and it is so cynical and so wrong. and this is really what this whole culture of putting out this disinformation is about. and it's -- it's awful and it's doing a huge disservice to everyone. >> wherever you are out there there is good information on this, the john hopkins thing we talked about, the data really is remarkable. one way or the other. al franken, host of the al franken podcast and brandy, thank you both. people are starting to see that stimulus money hit their bank accounts. people are having a little fun with the news imagining all things they'll do with the money like when the direct deposit hits, time to upgrade this career. we can afford the sun now, or my personal favorite, what would the chicago bears do with some stimulus cash? 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>> chris, it is huge. it shows that, in fact, not only can government respond to the crises and the pain that people are feeling -- and you are right. if you are a struggling working class family today worried about eviction, worried about feeding your kids and suddenly you've got a $5,600 check, man, that is extraordinary. but it also shows that we're trying to get a level of efficiency in the government of competence that we have not had before. so it's not only doing the right thing. it's doing it promptly. >> you're obviously very proudly a socialist. you've called yourself a socialist for many years. and there's tis concept i was thinking of sewer socialism which i think thinking about milwaukee and the idea about it was look you want to have people do stuff you better deliver on the technical parts. you better implement otherwise people are not going to trust you. i think two of theis we're seeing now in the vaccination and the checks is an attempt to do them. >> that's exactly right, and we have to continue to do that. to me, chris, what was so important about this legislation is not only the $1,400, not only beginning effectively to deal with the pandemic, not only cutting childhood poverty in half, not only getting money to states and cities who desperately need it, not only extending unemployment, not only developing great summer programs for our kids, community health centers all over this country will be expanded. it is that and much more. it is finally seeing the united states congress taking a hard look at the problems facing working families and responding rather than listening to corporate lobbyists, rather than listening to wealthy campaign contributors. they are actually paying attention to the needs of the american people. and that is what the democratic party has got to continue to do. and if we do that, we'll transform this country and we'll become a political force that will not lose control of the house and the senate. >> you have a hearing tomorrow in the budget committee which you now chair. it's a second hearing about sort of inequality and in particular the way it's been shaped in the covid era. and i believe you invited ceo jeff bazos of amazon to come. i believe he declined. what do you want to ask him? >> well, not a radically different question than i wanted to ask the walton family last week when we did a hearing on minimum wage. walton family is the largest family in america and yet they pay their workers little wages. and jeff bazos, i wanted to say you are worth 180 billion, "b" -- $180 billion. you are the wealthiest person on earth. why are you spending millions of dollars trying to defeat a union organizing effort in alabama where your workers are fighting for decent wages and decent working conditions? what is your problem? when is enough enough? so tomorrow we're going to have lunch with bazos and the union organizing drive in alabama, but what we're going to deal with is the whole issue of welt inequality and two people today bazos and elon musk, two people own more wealth than the bottom 40% of the american people, where ceos today are making over 300 times what their average working is making. we need to take a hard look at that and determine the kind of country w

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