moment, change has come to america. >> i will discuss barack obama, the first african american president of the united states lasting influence with valerie chair, ceo of the obama foundation. i am jonathan capehart. this is an extended edition of the saturday show. the israel-hamas war continues to rage on this morning. nearly 10,000 palestinians, including 3900 children, have been killed according to the ministry of health. in gaza. overnight clashes between israeli troops and hamas fighters continued as the israeli military says it has cut off all main roads into gaza city. nbc news has not been able to independently confirm that. this comes after america's top diplomat, secretary of state, anthony blinken, met with arab foreign ministers and jordan overnight. this follows the secretary's latest trip to israel where he called for a humanitarian pause in the conflict in gaza. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu's quickly rejected the notion saying it's a real would be going full force until the, roughly, 240 hostages held by hamas are released. meanwhile, the conflict also playing a key role in american politics. how speaker mike johnson ended his first week with his first win tying 14.3 billion dollars in aid to israel to cuts to the iris, leaving out aid for ukraine. the bill will go nowhere, most likely, in the senate. it has been a busy first week for the speaker from saving congressman george santos from expulsion to beginning to lay the groundwork to avoid a government shutdown. joining me now, brendan buck, former chief communications adviser to former house speaker, paul ryan. former press secretary to former house speaker, john vader. and an msnbc legal analyst. jennifer reuben, an opinion writer at the washington post and author of, resistance how women save democracy from donald trump. and, former florida congressman, david jolly, an msnbc political analyst. thank you all very much for coming to the saturday show. i'm going to start with you, brandon. and we will go down the line. what are your overall impressions of speaker johnson in his first week on the job? >> he has kept the conference together, which is what key members of the house come preparing congress have been very happy. they have high marks for him. which is not nothing. i think the big question is, not? what the house is able to pass israel funding in a way that has no chance of actually becoming a law. the job of the speaker is not necessarily to get the keen together it is to think a little bit further down the road. to understand what tools he has to be able to govern unclear at this point whether there is a plan beyond what has happened in the house. very clearly the senate is going to be working against the house. there is a very poor track record of one party in one chamber being able to assert its well over the other chamber without working in a bipartisan way. it is very clear the senate is probably going to send a bipartisan package back to the house. i don't know if mike johnson has a plan at that point. he may just want to dig in for a fight. that will certainly make his conference happy. that is really what we need to keep an eye on. is this a speaker who is more focused on keeping his conference happy at the expense of, maybe, important policy? or, is he here to govern? we don't know that yet. the coming weeks will be very telling for what kind of speaker he is going to be. >> i made that very point last night on pbs news hour. is he going to continue to be a backbencher? or, will he fill in the role, what it means to be a speaker. jennifer, your view of speaker johnson's first week? >> first of all, he wasted a lot of time. he took these expulsion votes. one expulsion though and one votes to censor rashid tlaib. none of which went anywhere. he also, of course, passed this bill. the first time in history that any -- envisioned aid to israel on anything but he did in a way that also expanded the deficit by playing to his backbenchers, or his front benchers. and cutting funds to the irs. the actually would expand the deficit. none of this bodes well for sane, responsible, governance. i think that, so far, we do not have any indication that he is ready to actually govern in a responsible way. unfortunately, i think we are hurtling towards a shutdown. not to mention we have let our allies down. both israel and ukraine, as they're waiting for this vital aid. so for it has been incomplete, to put it generously. probably failing if you are looking at overall outcomes and decent governance. >> david jolly, you're view? three people on the screen, you are the one who actually served in that chamber as an elected member of congress. >> sure. but we are all analysts now. i agree with brandon in jennifer this morning. here is the way i contextualize mike johnson. i don't think we need to accept that it is a hard pivot to the right yet. i think it is just one foot in front of the other. in large part, because this is already the direction the caucus was going. tension has been building over the past ten years was because this was the direction that the maga caucus was going. mike johnson is now leading. that i think on this israel package kayla mccarthy would've done something very similar. i think they both started at the same place. the question, as brandon said, what happens when have we can lose this fly? does mike johnson show a different posture? is he willing to hold up any longer? is he willing to shut down the government after november 17th? we will not actually know that. i do think he had a misstep. i think this will become more obvious as we go on. he likes to say that he offset the spending for israel because it had to be physically responsible. as jennifer said, that is aligned. that is not actually true. that is a big mistake by mike johnson. we do know by withholding funding for the irs that the deficit goes up this year. why didn't they pick something else? they could've picked something else and still said, we were fiscally responsible. we offset our spending. they are trying to play to where their voters. are republican voters are on certain priorities. he missed it on this. one i think, eventually, that will catch up with him. >> brandon, i want you to put on your former hat since you served under to how. speakers speakers paul ryan and john boehner. and in your first answer you asked the question, rhetorically, does he, speaker, johnson have a plan? if you were on speaker johnson staff, or if you got a phone call, what would you tell him the plane should be? >> well, i don't have a problem with sending over to the senate and house marker. but i think you need to condition your members for the idea that there is going to need to be a negotiation. the idea that the house is gonna be able to jam the senate is very unlikely. it is much more likely the senators gonna be able to jam the house. this is about keeping your members bought into a plan. communicating to them what the plan actually is. what i have not heard from them is that he is willing to negotiate on some of these things. he seems to be drawing a lot of hard lines. i think what he will come to find out very quickly when you draw those hard lied, when you give false hope to some of your members, all you are doing in setting them up for disappointment. there are certain realities to governing that are incompatible with some of the wishes and, frankly, fantasies of the far-right. you need to be able to condition people for what is realistic and what is going to happen. in this negotiation they can pull together a package that is more to the liking of the house. that addresses ukraine in a more limited way. maybe puts guardrails on. it maybe it does have some money for the border. if they are working towards a reasonable outcome that they can have their fingerprints on, you can come back to the house and sell that. if, instead, he is going to dig his head into the sand and just hope we don't get jammed by the senate, that is a really tough place to be. e ultimately, when you fail, yor members are gonna be really disappointed because you got their hopes up. it is all about managing member expectations while you are doing the governing. >> jennifer, to that point, let's say that that does happen. a bill comes over from the senate and jansa house. suddenly, speaker johnson's caucus is really disappointed because they have been given the false hope. how likely is it that we would then see another motion to vacate measure put on the floor and have it succeed? >> the 64,000 dollar question, does he stand up to his members and then face the same fate that the previous speaker did or does he kept pitcher late and then we are into a shutdown? i have to say, i'm having a little bit of a flashback here. in the days when brendan used to work for a responsible republican speakers. they had a plan, they had an understanding of governance. they banked their head against the wall, occasionally, about some of their members but in the end they knew they had an obligation to govern, to get things done. i do not see any indication that this caucus is ready to do that. i think the chances of a shutdown are relatively high. >> david, do you agree with jennifer's assessment, which is also mine? >> look, the chances are always high for a government shutdown when you have republicans in charge of the house. it's just one of the tools that they don't think of this team which problem for the country, unfortunately. i do think the dynamic is different now. kevin mccarthy had a short runway. mike johnson does, as well. the difference is kevin's at the end of his runway in mike's at the beginning of his. i think there is a certain unity to the conference. i think a lot of people, even on the hard right, know that they will have to accept some concessions and give some concessions. johnson will probably leave. some of the dynamic i'm looking for is not israel, i think that will get passed. we are maybe there is a few shutdowns. republicans won't care. it is ukraine. there is not enough folks, the majority of the majority, i'm not sure where those numbers are in the republican party. there is such a hard split on ukraine that without border security, without a strong maga concession, what happens if mike johnson does have to sign off on the package with jeffries and schumer and president biden? 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>> we can always expect more. i think there is going to be probably a cascade of people who are the most responsible governing wing of the party leaving that has been a trend we've seen for a while. i haven't gone that long from the. hill this conference looks markedly different from when i was there. every reasonable, most reasonable, mild mannered folks who are there to get things done have been replaced by much further to the right members. much less reasonable folks. that trend is going to continue. kate ranger is the chair of the appropriations committee. she is, by definition of a role, they are to get things done and work together in a bipartisan way. her district is something like trump plus 18. very conservative. you have to imagine that scene is going to be fit by someone probably a little less interested in working with democrats. again, this is something we've been seeing for three or four cycles now. this is going to be a pretty small problem solver caucus. the mainstream caucus left after the last cycle, i mention. >> congressman granger has been there since 96. you are not only losing someone who is in the chairs appropriation committee but she has institutional knowledge it seems like the current crew folks couldn't care less about. jennifer, let's move the conversation to the senate. tommy tuberville is continuing to block military promotions over pentagon abortion policy. even his fellow republicans are not happy about this. they took to the floor and excoriated the guy. now there is more controversy after tuberville spokesperson was privately floating primary challengers for senators who voted to in and run across to propose blockade. your reaction to the seeming republican rebellion against tuberville? >> well, it just shows you how out of whack, even for this period of time, even for the senate, which is farther to the right and i think it is ever been. there is discomfort, there is understanding that he is harming national security. this is becoming an issue for them. they look really ridiculous. the problem is a must they and the democrats are willing to change the rules than this is going to go on. i want to underscore this point. he gets to do this because the rules allow him. if they want to stop whining, change the rules! >> you know, david, as jennifer was talking we had video on the side of senator tuberville. in that conversation he was asked, by the guy on the left from a rival network -- cnn, asking him his reaction to the fact that the marine commandant, they finally got him confirmed. he is doing to full-time, massively important, jobs. he had a heart attack. manu asked him, you know, your blockades is having a real impact on people. senator tuberville said, i'm paraphrasing here, well he is gonna work long hours anyway. so, what's the big deal? he's got 20 people who work for him. look, when you are in these jobs -- basically, this comes with the territory. i used to do that in mile job. his old job was a football coach as a college! please! i would love to hear your reaction to, not just the blockade of these military promotions but the nerve of the guy comparing himself to a military commander whose job it is is to send armed forces into harm's way. >> jonathan, a bit of a personal opinion here but i think the alabama senator has shown himself a fool this past year. i think many of his republican colleagues know that. to jennifer's point it would only take nine of them decider democrats and change the rule. i do think we get caught up sometimes in this process but it is right, as jennifer has said, to focus in on the real impact on the compromise national security. there is a theme on what is going on in the house. the apparent abandonment of a strong support for ukraine in a fight against worship. a tying of aid to israel. the republican senators, not just tuberville but of others to allow own leadership hugo weekend. it's the dot they have no case to go online to have not been strong on national security. also at the root of this is the policy reproductive rights for women in the military. for that, tuberville is wrong. it goes back again to the house because of this. i realized it is difficult times to talk about religion in politics but with mike johnson, we have not seen for a while someone who is over in their fate. hile someone whyou have to think of e like mike pence. everyone should be given wide license to practice their own fate. i think we could be approaching the question about using faith in government. early on in a conversation he said, look, the idea of life and liberty is to give liberty and freedom to all people. women, transgender, tomorrowland communities. is mike johnson willing to use his faith and power to recognize the freedom of all people? tuberville is not. republican senators, apparently, are not. what does mike johnson do with the fake conversation? it can go one of two ways. if it goes the wrong way the electoral impact on republicans could be very significant. >> in an interview after his election as speaker he told, i believe it was sean hannity, in a fox news interview when asked what are your policy positions? he said, open the bible. you can read what my policy positions -- what they are based on. former congressman david jolly, jennifer reuben, brendan who joe -- we are out of time thank you very much for coming to the saturday show. coming up, officer harry dunn was on duty at the u.s. capitol during the january 6th insurrection. he is sharing his experience in a new book. he joins me next to discuss that, and more, including if he is considering running for office. stay with us. xploding. but my old internet, was not letting me run the show. so, we switched to verizon business internet. they have business grade internet, nationwide. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. in a crisis caused by a terrorist massacre. warning civilians to clear out, while hamas forces them back. allowing in food and water, which hamas steals. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. sometimes jonah wrestles with falling asleep... ...so he takes zzzquil. the world's #1 sleep aid brand for a better night sleep. so now, he wakes up feeling like himself. the reigning family room middle-weight champion. better days start with zzzquil nights. the january 6th insurrection left a stain on american democracy. we watched in shock and disbelief as an angry mob stormed the u.s. capitol to try to overturn the 2020 election. capitol police, outnumbered and overwhelmed, faced a tidal wave of violence including my next guest, who has become a steadfast voice in the fight for justice and accountability. in his new book, he provided a firsthand account of the trauma that he continues to experience. harry dunn writes, quote, i am still struggling, still trying to get back to the man i was. i am a lot better, but i came to realize that recovering from that day is going to be a long process. he also issues a sober warning saying, quote, it was a frightening wake up call that our democracy, the thing we hold so precious, can be taken from us if we don't protect it. joining me now is the man who wrote those words, friend of the show, officer harry dunn, author of standing monogrammed. a capitol police officer's fight for accountability and good trouble after january 6th. officer dunn, as always, thank you very much for coming to the show. house speaker johnson was one of the 147 republicans who voted to overturn the election results and who has been dubbed the architect of the election denial lawsuits that happened in 2020. referring to both of donald trump's impeachments as a sham. your reaction to the speaker who is now second in line to the presidency? >> good morning, jonathan. always a pleasure to be on with you. yeah, definitely a friend of the saturday show. with regards to the speaker, his comments regarding the impeachment, the american people not necessarily the speaker, certain members of congress, but the american people which is whoever out the before. the book is for the american people. i didn't expect members of congress and elected officials, governors, mayors, to read my book. it is for the american people. the people who hold them responsible. that is why it is so important. when i talk about losing democracy, democracy is that of the people. i believe that if the people are educated, they make educated votes. they will do their part to hold elected officials accountable. so the elected officials are reflecting with the american people are thinking. my book is for the american people. not necessarily elected officials. we need to exercise our vote. >> donald trump at a rally on thursday in houston called the january 6th prisoners, quote, hostage is. your reaction to that and how dangerous is it for trump and others to frame those part in the insurrection as victims. >> if they are hostages, they are hostages of his lies and of the maga party. we rhetoric that he spills, that is what this country is a hostage of. a lot of the things they said are completely lines not based on any fact or anything. people are taking that i'm running with. it i think it goes back to where we are at the country and how this next election cycle and we arrived at this place due to lies. stolen election. that is why people were there on january six. they thought the election was stolen. despite the evidence showing that it wasn't. there was nothing that proved that it was. if there are hostages there hostages of his lies. i think we need to get back to honestly. doing what the american people want. >> just yesterday former trump political potee at the state depart who assaulted a capitol officer on january six was sentenced to 70ons in prison. under january six rioter was sentenced to 85 months in prison for ripping the gas mask of a capitol police officer. is this the type of accountability that you were hoping for? >> officer daniel hodges, retired sergeant bernal where the two officers who actually testified. excuse me, gabe impact statements for the sentencing hearings. yes, that is what accountability looks like. and justice. i cannot speak for those two individuals, specifically, affected by those two man action but also those two men committed crimes against this country. like i said, i talk about how january six just was attack on the individual police officers who bear the brunt of that violence but also the american people in this country. it is important that these sentences reflect the severity of the crimes that they committed. like i said, i'm glad that i am not hand of the justice department or a judge that has to make those decisions to determine what is acceptable. it seems fair. i am not one to celebrate someone being locked up. it is sad. but he got what he deserved. >> trying to squeeze into questions. we've got less than two minutes. >> i got you. >> in your book you point out that directly after january 6th immediate largely ignored the racial component to what happened on that day. do you still feel that way? >> no -- when i talked about it, the black police officers there, the black people in this country in general, they just have a different walk. we have to navigate this life through a different lens. it exists. i do not think january 6th about race. but there were races people there, plain and simple. like i said, i don't think the january 6th insurrection was about racial overthrowing the government or whatever. but we cannot deny the fact that racial components still exist in this country. >> there were races people there. one carrying a confederate flag inside the u.s. capital. last question, officer dunn, you recently posted on axe, recently known as twitter, that at the moment you have not given much formal thought to running for public office but that you are not opposed to it. so, could we expect a run from you in the future? >> you know what? i believe in public service. like i said in my statement, what better way to serve your country, to serve your community that you live in? you know? it is something i would consider but it is a heck of an undertaking. i would have to speak with my loved ones, people whose opinions i trust and respect, and then i will make some kind of decision. i am deeply not against it at all. i love the idea of serving your country. if i continue to do it in the capacity area may now. >> officer harry dunn, whatever you do whether it is in uniform or as a member of congress or as an elected official at any level, you will be a hero doing it. officer harry dunn, thank. you >> thank you, jonathan. >> thank you for coming back to the show. up next, the humanitarian crisis continues to worsen in gaza with one u.n. official calling it, quote, a graveyard for children. this comes as israeli airstrikes intensify. i will speak with the ceo of save the usa about what is being done. e sheet corrections? -unnecessary! -unentered sick time? -unnecessary! -go! -unnecessary! -go! -unnecessary! -when you can take this phone, you'll be ready. -make the unnecessary, unnecessary. let your employees do their own payroll. are you tired of clean clothes that just don't smell clean? 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>> that was secretary of state, anthony blinken, commenting on the humanitarian crisis in gaza during a press conference yesterday in tel aviv. while the egyptian border has partially opened allowing some way to get in thousand still face a desperate situation inside of gaza. little to no access to food, clean water, and medicine. the ongoing fighting have been particularly hard on the young. unicef spokesperson said gaza has become, quote, a graveyard for children. joining me now is yahtzee sarepto, the president and ceo save the children usa, the international humanitarian organization that works to save children around the world. thank you very much for coming to the saturday show you're organization was able to get some aid into gaza last sunday has the group unable to get any more aid in? >> it has, i, jonathan thank you for having me it has been dripping in if they say we have now had three trucks being able to enter gaza carrying water predominantly. freshwater, some food, some kits for babies. other essential, et cetera. clearly that is not enough help, much, much, more is needed. >> what challenges are you facing in delivering supplies to the civilians, especially the children who need the help? >> exactly. children make up almost half of the population there. 1 million children in gaza, at this 0.1 of the biggest issues is still the absence of fuel in the shortages there. even if trucks make it through our colleagues in gaza and our partners are essentially delivering supplies using donkeys and their own backs. they are carrying aid delivered door to door sometimes or if the distribution center when they can if it is safe to do so. delivering those supplies but clearly that is not the fastest and most effective way to reach people. >> many gaza children have already survived multiple wars and confrontations. what kind of lingering effects can this kind of fighting have on children? >> it is massive. we see this effect from conflict on children all around the world. since save the children was founded on the belief that every wars wore face against children. those effects can be incredibly long lasting. we are very keen to get more help in. more supplies and more humanitarian workers but also making sure we can start some of the work on mental health and the psychosocial support we do for children in situations like this. clearly we need a cease-fire or any significant humanitarian pause to be able to do that safely. >> on that point, have you or has anyone from your organization been in touch with anyone in the biden ministration to discuss a humanitarian pause that would allow more aid to get inside of gaza? w save the children and many of our organizations are also working reaching out to the government, members of congress, of course to our colleagues and partners at the usaid calling for that pause and to describe what it is like on the ground. we have 25 colleagues and got at this point time. they are giving us firsthand accounts for what it's like for them, their families, the constraints that they have when delivering aid and what they see in children. the many, many, deaths of children. injured children. we are painting that picture as much as we can in order to ask them to press and influence parties to stop the violence. that is the only thing that will help us make that number not go up any further. >> what do you want viewers at home to know about the conditions people in gaza are facing? >> well, secretary blinken said it, as well. empathy is always a casualty of war. particularly in this crisis. it seems to be leaving people very quickly. put yourself in the shoes of a parent in gaza. a parent of a child who was abducted. think about what that would be like as a parent, or an aunt or uncle, someone who has children if you life, imagine what it would be like for those children, those parents, living in gaza at this point in time. ask yourself, why would we not stop the violence? 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[ting] ♪♪ live in the moment. ask your doctor about otezla. this is our moment. this is our time to put our people back to work, opening doors of opportunity for arcades, to restore prosperity into promote the cause of peace. to reclaim the american dream and reaffirmed that fundamental truth that out of many, we are one. while we breathe, we have. where we are met with cynicism and doubt and those who tell us we can't, we will respond with that timeless creed that sums up a spirit of a people, yes we can. >> and yes we did. today marks 15 years since barack obama's historic election as the 44th president of the united states. this nation's first black president. although much has changed since the two terms in office former president, barack obama, continues to be a powerful votes for democracy around the world and a home. joining me now valerie jarrett ceo of the abomination chair of the board of when we all vote and author of the book, finding my voice. also graham on to james and june. valerie, thank you so much, as a way, for coming to the show. can you believe how much has changed since that historic night 15 years ago? >> good morning. it is very hard, jonathan, to believe how much has changed until i looked into the audits last night and i saw so many of the folks who were young, fresh out of school, energetic campaign workers who are now married with children. very different jobs but all still feeling a sense of responsibility to get back. a lot has happened in 15 years. and i listen to the tape that you played i still feel that sense of incredible hulk and ability to overcome huge obstacles which, certainly, we face today. >> former first lady michelle obama reflected on that historic 2008 victory when speaking to the former staffers at a celebration, every union, in chicago last night. listen. >> as all of you know nothing about that campaign or that election was easy or unearned. nothing was preordained. what about, but i love about all of you all is so many of you got involved not just in spite of the scale of the challenge but because of it. >> valerie, what do you remember most about that campaign? >> it was hard but it was full of hopeful spirit. i can remember my first trip to iowa. leyla picked me up, drumming around the dead of winter. they were parents of ethiopians. they had never been to iowa before. but by the time i arrived on the ground they had built relationships on across des moines. when i walked in the door, people knew him. that didn't just happen i. what happened all over our country. these incredible, young, spirited people who believed in this were a part of something bigger and more important from myself. they filled me with so much hope. that, i remember the young people. i remember having a chance to see the entire country from a vantage point that was unusual. the consistent spirit was one of hope, and ability that we can change. yesterday, on hope, i was going to skip over this but hope and change was president obama's message in 2008. what would his message be today? >> it's the same message. no one said hope was easy, no one ever said change was easy. i think what we said yesterday at the second annual democracy for most people focused on what can government do to change? what can the institutions that support our democracy due to change? what can the individual and the business community do to change? the challenge is still there. we all have this responsibility to perfect our union. part of what president obama said that night in grant park and what he said at the end of his time in office was, look, the most important office is an honest citizen. that is something that we can all i can share. i think yesterday we felt the sense of empowerment and the ability to inspire, and power, and connect each other. to continue this really hard work, jonathan. if anyone ever thought it was easy, it is not. it has never been the people upon whom we stood has had it along harder than we do. it is our responsibility to put it forward. that is we piece about the obama foundation is all about. >> yesterday, at the 15-year celebration president bomber issued a call to action for, quote, inclusive capitalism. what exactly does inclusive capitalism mean for the country at this time? >> look, we have to build an economy that works for everyone. if you work hard and play by the rules you should have the opportunity to have a good job, support your family, retire with dignity, see your children do better than you do. one of the threats to democracy is when people feel it is not a level playing field. that they cannot compete competitively. where we see this growing division between the haves and the have-nots and a hollowing out of the middle class. what he put forward where series of ideas that we should all consider taking a long view on what to be due to build a more inclusive and just economy. if we do that, it will help stabilize and strengthen our democracy. >> what was the mood at the reunion last night? i think over a couple of days, what was the mood like? was there a mood of despair? a whole lot has changed since president obama was in office. certainly, you know? between 2016 and 2020. our folks feeling despairing? or, are they feeling like, it's tough. things are difficult. but we can overcome this? >> i think much more the latter, jonathan. keep in mind, many of us have worked together for part or all of those eight years. seeing each other again all in one place hearing from both the president and former first lady was -- we are in tough times. i think to go night was not just a celebration, juraj it was over a couple of days we have five different celebrations to goes to over the course of today i think the goal is not just to celebrate but to recommit. to say, okay, we are facing extraordinarily tough times but we have faced tough times before. take a little history lesson. what am i going to do? what can i do to strengthen our democracy? i think in addition to the celebration there was a fear of recommitment. >> valerie jarrett, as always, thank you very much for coming to the saturday show. >> you're thank you -- >> that will do it for me today, thank you. two hours of this out of the show, be sure to tune in tomorrow for two hours of the sunday show. ambassador cindy mccain, executive director of the world food programme will join me live to discuss the latest on the humanitarian crisis in gaza, and senator sheldon whitehouse will be with us to discuss democrats plans to issue subpoenas to the supreme court ethics investigation. that is tomorrow, beginning at 8 am eastern right here on msnbc. remember to follow us on acts, the platform formally known as twitter, instagram, and tiktok, using the handle we can keep. art don't go anywhere, my friend ali velshi is next with more news. my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. this is spring semester at fairfield-suisun unified. >> good they switched to google tools for education because there's never been a reported ransomware attack on a chromebook. now they're focused on learning knowing that their data is secure. 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