because of the loss of roe v. wade. i would be incapable of doing this job if i were not glass half full. i am hopeful. yes, it is definitely disheartening to think that so much of the population does not think we will ever have a woman president. i will be looking forward to the day when they have to say that they were wrong. >> me as well, danielle campoamor. we have a lot more coming up. our second hour starts right now. our second hour starts right now. >> hi everybody, i'm yasmin again. if you are just joining us, thank you for sticking with us. we are thankful for that. we are following breaking news from israel. the idf is releasing new video which it claims shows hamas has been using al-shifa hospital as a command center to carry out attacks. we're going to have a live report in just a moment. we are also tracking the latest on a potential hostage deal in israel. officials are stressing the fragile state of the proposal. >> some of the outstanding areas of disagreement are very complicated, very sensitive. i believe we are closer than we have been in quite some time, maybe closer than we have been since the beginning of the process to getting the deal done. we really need to adhere to the mantra that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. sensitive negotiations like this can fall apart at the last minute. >> a new nbc news poll showing that the handling of israel hamas war is costing president biden with voters, especially young voters. we're going to dive into that. donald trump's increasingly violent and violent rhetoric on the campaign trail and the impact it is having beyond the former president. we're going to look at that ahead as well. we begin this hour with the latest in the israel-hamas war. israeli defense forces have released what they say is proof of a hamas tunnel near the al-shifa hospital. that video is on your screen now. it hasn't been independently verified by us here at nbc news. israeli forces say it's 55 meters long and ten meters deep underneath the al-shifa hospital complex. joining me now is matt riley in beirut. bring us up to speed on what more you can tell us about this video. >> yeah, the idf said they have released this video -- they actually said they found this total yesterday and they found it when they did a controlled explosion on a vehicle which was parked above it or next to it. they revealed a blast proof door. underneath the door, according to the idf, there was a ten meter deep tunnel which was started with a three meter deep ladder which continued a is sent down a circular staircase for the next seven meters. after that, as you mentioned, there is a 55 meter tunnel into sections, five meters and another 50 meters. they said they also discovered weapons and this blast proved or. all of this is part, according to the idf, part of the al-shifa hospital complex. the reason why this is so significant, yasmin, if it is true and nbc news has not been able to independently verify the footage or any of the information that i just said, all of this is coming from the idf. if this is true, it would vindicate what the idf has been saying ever since they started their attacks in and around the al-shifa hospital area. a lot of the other hospitals, they have claimed time and time again that they have been used as operational headquarters or just as refugees for hamas militants. this has been really important for the idf and important for the rest of the world. hospitals are considered to be in the reach of militants unless they are being used by combatants, by people who are involved in the fighting. if this is true, and again, nbc news has not been able to verify this, it would vindicate the idf position that the hospital is part of the fighting and it is therefore a legitimate military target. the united nations said that it is essentially a dead zone but no longer really operates as a hospital. there are only 250 patients left there, two dozen staff. this is really something that the world has been focusing on for the past few days. this is important part of the story we have been seeing in the gaza strip. >> matt bradley for us, thank you. i want to bring in now nbc national news editor -- for more than seven months while a reporter for the new york times. thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. before we get into these hostage negotiations which are ongoing and have been ongoing for quite some time, really since the start of the war, i want to talk first about your reaction to the discovery of these tunnels. we have not independently verified, as you all know, the validity of those videos, the validity of the tunnels. nonetheless, this is yet another example of, as the idf is showing us, almost using a hospital complex to house some of the military equipment. >> it is hard to say. you know, no journalists have been allowed into the tunnel complex. i think the number of weapons will be important. look, i will back up. hamas clearly carried out a terrorist attack on october 7th. they killed more than 1000 israelis. i guess i just want to be patient. i want to see if the idf produces more evidence. the key term here is command center. president biden himself said they were operating a headquarters under the e hospital. this tunnel is clearly used by hamas for military purposes. under -- five covered various conflicts. routinely, a cease-fire is agreed to and hospitals are evacuated. there are not assault on hospitals. there was this effort to get into the hospital without a cease-fire, without having the international red cross come in and evacuate them. israel says that was because hamas fighters were present. some weapons were found last week in the section of the hospital. i will just be honest, we don't know enough yet about what actually was happening inside al-shifa hospital. >> there seems to be, though, david, as we are all seeing, a continued hospital inside gaza. the reason being, as idf puts it, there are these command centers and or areas in which hamas holds some of their military equipment. however, the casualty count is incredibly high. is that a justification for these continued assault even if hamas is beneath them? >> you know, the geneva conventions sign before and after world war ii set out clear rules about hospitals. if an enemy force is based in a hospital and repeatedly firing on your force and you have to take control of the hospital to achieve your military goal, that allows an army to fire on a hospital, a school, other locations which are normally protected. israel may find overwhelming evidence that this was a command center, that hamas was firing on it from al-shifa hospital. normally, i covered the war in bosnia and afghanistan. there will be a cease-fire. the u.n. would go in, empty the hospital, and the two sides can keep firing on each other. soldiers can kill soldiers. that is what war is. you are supposed to protect civilians and the wounded. >> i want to shift gears here for a moment in a story that we have been following up until now, these hostage negotiations which have been ongoing for a possible elongated cease-fire, maybe four or five days alone. what we know about this? last weekend, benjamin netanyahu alluded to these ongoing talks but did not want to give more the math. where are we on this? what do your sources tell you? >> there are more details. i am hearing this from our colleagues at nbc news about the length of the cease-fires you mentioned earlier. some top of prisoners, of the hostages to be released, maybe it doesn't, maybe more. i want to emphasize that we have been hearing descriptions of a deal for the last week but no final agreement, no final agreement. it's not clear what is happening here. there is clearly pressure. i think there's pressure from israeli hostages, ten american citizens who are among the hostages. there is pressure from the biden administration. there's pressure for them to agree to some sort of temporary cease-fire to 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jimmy carter. nbc's lester holt looks back at her life and legacy. >> it's now my pleasure to introduce someone who i love and respect and cherish, my wife rosalynn. >> she was jimmy carter's partner, best friend, and closest adviser in and out of the white house for more than three quarters of a century. softspoken, politically savvy, and fiercely determined, rosalynn carter was known as the steel magnolia. she made the role of first lady her own. born rosalynn smith in plains, georgia, she was a neighbor to jimmy carter three years for senior. >> i was shy and found out that he was easy to talk to. we hit it off really well. i think i was already in love with him. >> they married in 1946 when she was 18. >> we have been equally and totally dedicated partners even when i was still earning a living as a peanut farmer. >> jimmy ran in the family farm. rosalynn helped manage the business. they raised a family, three sons, and later, daughter amy. jimmy got into politics, elected georgia governor in 1970, then ran for president with rosalynn's enthusiastic support. >> people got to know him. when they know him, they vote for him. >> thank you both very much. >> she's completely objective and unbiased. [laughter] >> i love politics! >> the small town girl with a poor family who never finished college thrived on the natural stage. >> every day, i see things that i think i could help with, things i want to learn more about. >> jimmy carter won the election with rosalynn playing a key role. >> i was involved with the selection of the vice president. >> she was front and center from the start, attending cabinet meetings, leaning on policy issues, including mental health, becoming the first first lady since eleanor roosevelt to testify before congress. >> i am here as a concerned citizen. there are so many opportunities. if i don't use the influence i have to help those people who need help, i think that's a terrible waste. >> she served as president carter's emissary, taking high profile trips flatten america and asia. >> i think i'm the person closest to the president of the united states. if i can help and understand the countries of the world, that's what i intend to do. >> often more popular than the president himself, she was his advocate in chief. >> i'm proud of jimmy carter and the job he is doing. he is without a doubt the best person in our country to see us through these times. >> faced with a troubled economy, carter lost to ronald reagan in 1980. the carters returned to planes. they founded the carter center and together began a remarkable decades long post presidency devoted to human rights, international diplomacy, eradicating disease, and a year after year building a low income housing with habitat for humanity. in 1999, they were awarded the presidential medal of freedom. >> i think that was one of the happiest times of my life. there is life after the white house. >> through it all, she remained her husband's greatest champion. >> it irritates me when people say he was a good former president. he was a good president. i don't worry about his place in history. >> as for her own place in history, rosalynn carter was characteristically modest. >> i think i did the best i could. >> rosalynn carter, the former first lady of the united states. i want to bring in jonathan alter, msnbc political analyst and carter biographer, to talk more about her life and legacy. thank you for joining on -- i know that you know the carter family quite well. talk us through the legacy that rosalynn carter leaves behind today. >> thank you for having me on. this is a sad day for the carter family, obviously, but i think it should also be a sad day for the united states. rosalynn carter was one of the most formidable, influential first ladies in american history. few people know it. i think part of what will it now come out is what an important figure she was. just to give you one small example of many, she was the greatest champion of mental she got past the first mental health, major mental health situation in the united states in 1980. you know, many other contributions, she was responsible for getting 33 states to require vaccination for children to go to school which we know saved many lives. there were all of the contributions in the post presidency which lester holt just mentioned. it is a big legacy. they had one of the most important presidential partnerships in american history. she deserves to be spoken of in the same sentence as eleanor roosevelt and abigail adams. >> you mentioned, jonathan, how she was a fierce advocate of mental health. she made this campaign promise when her husband was running for president, saying that as first lady she would make the welfare of the nation's mentally ill her priority, being the first potential first lady to make that campaign promise. why is she so dedicated to this? >> when her husband was first running for governor in 1966, he lost that year and was elected in 1970 in georgia. she just found a lot of people around the state who had untreated mental health issues. she became an advocate as first lady of georgia. she kept her promise and the mental health systems act of 1980 was inactive. unfortunately, reagan's administration defunded that bill. many of the provisions for community mental health were not reenacted until obamacare 30 years later. in the meantime, through the carter center, she had done an important job champion in mental health. she set up scholarships for journalists who are interested in mental health issues. more broadly, she founded something called the rosalynn carter center for caregiving. when back in the 70s that concept of caregiving did not exist, a lot of people did not care. it was not seen as a major role in american society the way it is now. i think the idea of putting caregiving as a concept on the map is part of her legacy. >> jonathan, if you will stand by for me, i want to bring in kelly o'donnell to talk more about this. we are learning of the passing of former first lady rosalynn carter. talk us through what more you know. >> well we know that miss carter was surrounded by family when she passed away this afternoon. this has been a time when the family has had a chance to really see some of the reaction to both president carter and mrs. carter over these last several months. that is a rare and, i think, appreciated part of what has gone on as the country had a chance to say thank you to the carters over these months. back in february, president carter chose to enter hospice care so he could remain at home and stay with mrs. carter. a couple of months later, they publicly announced her dementia diagnosis. they have made their home in plains. they are so much a part of plains, georgia that the entire community is certainly feeling this. part of what we have seen in these months is that there have been reflections on their public service, on their contribution, and they were able, according to people close to the family, to see that, to take that in, and to experience that. it is a long time since they were in office from 1977 to 1981. they have had lives of public contribution and service in all of the decades since. it is remarkable that they were able to see that. being together was a very key part of this last chapter for the family, wanting the president and mrs. carter to live in their home and be among the things they loved. the community of planes where i have spent some time over the years has always been very much about the good works of the carters. as jonathan was talking about, her contributions to caregiving, the work which has gone on and the kinds of public service they have done in the name of the carters, they've inspired others to give food to those in need, projects to rebuild and support homes in the plains area, part of the local community, and the global reach of the carter center. mrs. carter was very much partnered with her husband, the former president. at a time when they were in the white house, she was also notable in remaking part of the first lady role in some way. she attended some cabinet meetings. that was controversial at times. it was part of what she did. she felt that it would allow her to give good advice and counsel to the then-president. you really see it reflected in their long marriage, the longest of all presidential couples at 77 years. they reached that milestone in july. she is also the longest lived second only to beth truman who lived about a year and a half longer. their long lives are part of their legacy. they were lives in reached with action and doing. that was certainly part of the legacy of mrs. carter. we are all thinking of president carter who himself is frail, 99 years old, but the family together and they have said for sometime in different ways through the family that they have been at these, that they have been ready for whatever next chapter would come. today is a bittersweet day, one where her life has come to his conclusion in this world but they are people of deep faith and the community around them will be celebrating the life of rosalynn carter. jasmine? and, it is always unbelievable to lose someone like rosalynn carter, who made such a mark on this country and this world, alongside the former president of the united states, and her husband, jimmy carter, who was still in hospice care. and kelly, i know that this just happened but do we know at all but the plans are to honor roseanne carter's? life >> we know that the source plans are made in advance with all and the military district of washington whenever a former president passes away. but expect this to be a very plain part of the days ahead. that information will be forthcoming, and certainly rosalynn carter was born in planes in 1927, with much of her life in planes, apart from time in atlanta when she was the first lady in georgia, time in washington during the carter presidency. and then of course, they have