to keep you online. only from xfinity. >> an appeals court prepares to home of the xfinity 10g network. decide what donald trump can say about the federal case against him, as the republican party lets him say whatever he wants. a no matter how dangerous it gets. i will talk to congressman dan goldman about all of it, and how trump's violent language is trickling down to the halls of congress. plus a judge in colorado lets the former president stay on the ballot. rules he did incite the insurrection on -- the law firm of wiseman and katyal is here to tell us what that means and what happens next. also, today breaking news out of the middle east. sources telling nbc news israel and hamas are closing in on a deal to release some of the hostages in exchange for a pause in fighting. and later, my wide-ranging conversation with illinois governor j.b. pritzker. we talk about trump's terrifying plans if he takes the white house and how democrats can beat him in 2024. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> right, now the debate over donald trump's incredibly dangerous rhetoric is not just playing out in the court of public opinion, then we see it there, of course. it's also playing out in the court of law. tomorrow morning, an appeals court here in washington, d.c., we'll hear arguments about what trump can and cannot say about the federal trial over his efforts to overturn an election. remember, a gag order that case was imposed then paused then reinstated then suspended. it's been a lot to keep up with. yes, our court system is clearly grappling with the challenges of trying a former president and current candidate turned criminal defendant. we will talk about what happens during this appeals court hearing on our show tomorrow night, but as we saw in trump's civil trial -- civil fraud trial in new york, trump's intent on testing the limits of the rule of law. the gag order, whether the gag orders in place or no gag orders in place. when i was in new york, he violated it and was fined thousands of dollars, twice. and when it was lifted, the ink had barely dried before he was back at it posting a message on truth social, calling a law clerk politically biased and out of control. see, in trump's eyes, he is bigger than the procedures of the court. he is outside the rule of law. in his eyes, his political supporters, the maga base, want to hear him attack the legal system. that's why he does it. he will push the envelope as far as he's allowed to go. and often even farther. as we watch our courts struggle to contain him and they are having a hard time, it is becoming increasingly clear that his party, the republican party, might be the only institution that can actually hold him accountable. but so far, they are refusing to step up. they have tolerated trump echoing the language of genocidal dictators, routinely dehumanizing his political opponents, speaking not just of beating his emmys at the ballot box, but extinguishing them altogether. they've tolerated the dark vision for america trump is plotting for his second term, complete with sweeping raids, sprawling detention camps, and mass deportation for immigrants. with a reinstated muslim ban and a push to unleash troops on protesters. just last night, trump rode on truth social that 2024 is our final battle. we will finish the job once and for all. see, he is casting this not as an election but as a battle. every republican who does not speak out against that kind of thing is complicit. but we are also point where the party is not just elevating donald trump, they are following his lead. in a word and also action. maybe that has something to do with his view of what the maga base wants, a base many republicans are scared of losing or even just scared of in general. his violent rhetoric has trickled down to congress, where literal fighting erupted this week. i mean, if the head of the party is spouting violent rhetoric any chance he gets, i guess it's not really surprising that brawls are on the verge of breaking out in the halls of the capitol. it has kind of a connection there. this, week in the span of one, date we are talking about one single day, here former house speaker kevin mccarthy was accused of elbowing tennessee representative tim burton in the kidneys, a fistfight nearly broke out in the middle of a senate hearing when senator markwayne mullin's stood up from his chair to confirm the president of the teamsters union, i'm not sure why that was necessary. and the chairman of the house oversight committee screamed at another representative in another hearing calling him a smurf. i don't know about the use of that word, but here we go. in fact, republicans tempered flared so dramatically and so publicly that speaker mike johnson told them to take thanksgiving to cool off. the m to tak but let's face it, we all kind of know they won't. the fact is, the fish rots from the head, it always does. donald trump remains the de facto head of the gop. none of this behavior should come as a surprise, given trump's role in unleashing a violent mob on the capitol on january 6th. the problem is, rank-and-file republicans in congress seemingly refused to learn from that history, even when it once put their lives in jpajoining mc congressman dan goldman of new york. congressman, thank you so much for joining me this afternoon. i wanted to just start with what has been happening in the house. you are relatively new to being a member, less than a year here. but you've been around members for a long time. when you observe it and speak with red veteran colleagues, have you noticed a shift in congress toward more threats and insults even amongst each other? >> well, certainly this republican party has demonstrated it's complete dysfunction that is now fallen into actual violence. we have been, in d.c., for ten straight weeks, which is much longer than usual. but i think it is more of a reflection of the fact that house republicans, in particularly, cannot get anything done. not only are they not working with democrats, they can't even result among themselves how they want to go forward. and so, tensions are incredibly high. they have a failed impeachment inquiry going on, they can't pass any legislation. and they end up doing what the democrats want, because that's the only thing that can get through. and then there is a backlash from the far-right. not only do you have wwe in one day in congress this week, but you also have a republican member of the house go to the floor and demand that his leadership tell him one single thing that the republicans have gotten done this year that he can campaign on, because there is nothing. this is really a civil war within the republican party. it is a shame for the american people, because we're ready to work, we are ready to get stuff done for the american people. >> i want to also turn to trump, of course, and just some of what the reporting has been around some of his conversations, also as we anticipate a year full of trials next year. i want to listen to part of a conversation that he had with abc's jonathan karl about january 6th and get your thoughts on the other end. >> you told them you are going to go up to the capital, where yojust -- >> i was going to and then the secret service set, you can't. and then by the time i would have -- i would when i get back, i said i wanted to go back. i was thinking about going back during the problem to stop the problem, doing it myself. secret service didn't like that idea too much. i could've done that, and you know what, i would've been very well received. >> there is been so much speculation, contemplation, discussion of what trump wanted to do, what he knew or didn't know. do you think, as a prosecutor, former prosecutor, this is something that could be useful in the case against trump? how it will be used. >> i mean, look, he says i would be well received because he knows the people who were there are his supporters who he riled up and incited to invade and riot at the capitol and try to disrupt the proper accounting of the electoral college votes. every time he talks, he's putting himself into a bigger criminal hole. but that's not his objective. his objective is purely political, at this point. politics don't work in the courtroom, as i think he is finding out. the new york attorney generals case in new york, the civil case. i think that's going to continue in his criminal trials. but his rhetoric, it is really getting dangerous, more and more dangerous. we saw what happened on january 6th, when he uses inflammatory rhetoric. and now, in his recent truth social post is incredibly, incredibly scary for anyone that might be trying to work in government. it is just and unquestionable at this point that this man cannot see public office again. he's not only unfit, he is destructive to our democracy and he has to be eliminated. >> there are several hearings going on right now, back-and-forths over gag orders in various cases. none of it seems to be working. what do you think, what are the consequences that might work in having trump dial back his language, or would anything work? >> i've noted the gag orders are very specific to the case that they relate to. it is not of trying to infringe on his ability to campaign or make political speech. it's really just trying to stop him from threatening witnesses, prosecutors, and judges, which of course is out of bounds. and if he continues to do, that there will be a ratcheting up of penalties that may start with fines, but could ultimately end up with jail time. at some point, donald trump believes he's above the law and he is going to meet the law headfirst. >> i want to get your reaction to some new reporting from nbc overnight that u.s. israel and hamas negotiators are closing in on a deal to release some of the hostages in exchange for a pause in the fighting. this morning on meet the press, deputy national security advisor jon finer did confirm that they are discussing more than a dozen hostages, a larger number than we've seen to date. he could not confirm how many were americans and also make clear nothing is agreed, of course, until everything is agreed, which is also the case in negotiations. i want to get your reaction to the possibility of this, deal which would also include a temporary cease of hostilities. >> this is what we all should be focusing on right now, is the release of the 240 hostages, that includes 33 children and babies who've been held for 33 days in captivity by hamas. that should be the focus of the entire international community right now. it's abhorrent, it's obviously legal. it is treacherous. the fact that there is a focus on other things related to what's going on and not a real keen focus on releasing those hostages so that we can have a pause, so that we can get the aid to the innocent palestinian civilians who so desperately need it. i'm glad that we are getting close to it, but i hope it's more than 12. because we've got 33 children, many, many more innocent women and elderly. the innocent civilians must be released. everyone in the international community must be putting pressure on hamas, on guitar, on iran, on egypt, to then apply pressure on hamas to release those hostages. >> you and senator cory booker, i should know you are both in israel on the day of the october 7th attack, sent a letter to present, biden asked him to keep pressing israel to crackdown on violence by israeli sailors in the west bank. there hasn't been as much focus on it as until recently. yesterday, biden said the u.s. is prepared to impose sanctions on israeli settlers involved in the attacks. is that enough? do you think this signals a shift in how the administration kind of views that aggression? >> yes, i think that's a significant step, i was very happy to see that the president made that public. israel cannot afford to have any vigilante justice in the west bank, to incite volatility there, incite violence there. both in terms of the near term, because the focus must be on hamas in gaza and nowhere else, and israel and the u.s. must do everything possible to stave off a multi front war. but also in terms of long term peace process, whatever israel does in the west bank is going to have an impact on how the international community views israel as a viable partner in a two state solution, which may be the silver lining of this entire dreadful situation over there that there may be the foundation for a two state solution. but we're going to need the entire international community, including the arab league, including gulf states, to both invest political capital and financial capital into a rebuilding of gaza and a remaking of the middle east in order to have that two state solution. and it is essential that israel take whatever necessary steps that they can to preserve that possibility. so would you be open to any condition of aid, congressman, from the united states? >> no, there should never be conditioning of aid to israel. israel is our perhaps best partner, both militarily, democratically, diplomatic me. we share a tremendous amount of information. there is a very close relationship, and israel's democracy that abides by the rule of law. our support for israel must be unconditional, and we should never put actual specific conditions on any aid that goes there. we should however, as we are doing, use our relationship with israel to press them to do the necessary things for the good of not only israel but, also the broader middle east, and the global community in general. and i think that is what we are seeing president biden do. he is showing excellent and correct struck staunch support for israel, as it fights a brutal terrorist regime that is it solely focused on eliminating israel. israel is a democracy, and they abide by the rule of law, and they must abide by the rule of law. and so, there is a diplomatic channel that we will use with israel, to make 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