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♪♪ good to be with you. i'm katy tur in for chris jansing. a lot is happening now. any minute president biden will speak at the g7 summit in italy sending vladimir putin a message that the west is still united. announcing a new deal to fund ukraine's defense. will that hold if president biden loses in november? donald trump is in washington making his first visit to capitol hill since the insurrection he inspired. what gop lawmakers are promising him today. and the supreme court protects access to mifepristone, at least for now. what the justices said to unanimously reject the effort to pull the abortion pill off the shelves. why the ruling itself leaves the door open to a future effort to further restrict access to abortion. let's begin with the high-stakes summit in italy where president biden faces the challenge of convinces g7 allies that the united states will stand with ukraine. president biden is expected to announce a new bilateral security agreement with ukraine. while the hope is that the pact will transcend political divisions, officials acknowledged it could be undone if donald trump wins re-election. all of this is happening at a perilous time in the war when russia has gained momentum on the battlefield. g7 leaders have agreed to give ukraine a $50 billion loan. that will be repaid using the interest from frozen russian assets. nbc's gabe gutierrez is reporting from italy and richard engel in eastern ukraine. gabe, walk us through what we expect today. >> reporter: that news conference is set to get started any minute now. as you were discussing, president biden with ukrainian president zelenskyy set to announce that bilateral security agreement. here's what it does, katy. the u.s. is trying to send a strong message to russia and saying for the next ten years it will provide military assistance to ukraine. that includes training and equipping soldiers. what it doesn't include is committing u.s. troops to go into ukrainian territory to defend it. that's not part of this deal. as you said, another big announcement that's under way here at the g7 is this money that will be loaned to ukraine. $50 billion. around the world right now there's about $300 billion in frozen russian assets. much of it is held in belgium. the interest of that money is expected over the next ten years to equal $50 billion. so the g7 leaders agreed to give that to ukraine upfront so it can help on the battlefield. there are many questions right now, katy. as you said, this agreement could be in jeopardy if president biden does not win re-election. that's not a treaty that needs to be ratified by congress. in theory it could be undone by the next administration. >> how do we expect the stage to go here, gabe? does the president have to sign an agreement with president zelenskyy before they talk to the press? if they do talk to the press, will they be taking questions? >> reporter: the stage has been set. we do expect ukrainian president zelenskyy to come with president biden here and the two leaders have spoken already earlier in the day. they're expected to sign this agreement and then take questions. just a few questions each leader. that's typically what happens. unclear how many questions president biden will take. we expect perhaps two for each leader. sometimes questions are shouted out. the white house is really trying to make a show of this in the sense that it wants to get that message across that russia should not expect to outlast the west. we expect this to get started any moment now. >> richard, give us what this means on the battlefield. >> reporter: this is very good news for ukraine. actually ukraine has had good news on many fronts recently. russia is in the midst of an offensive. russia was trying to take advantage of the delay in american support, the delay in funding because of the holdup in congress. russia was making gains, but now some of the american weapons are starting to arrive. the ukrainians are starting to shoot inside russian territory. both of those have slowed them down. it was only a couple months ago when the u.s. finally pledged about $60 billion and now another $50 billion pledged today. that money coming from the interest of seized russian money. a lot of this, as gabe was saying, is about future proofing the -- trying to future proof this conflict. trying to show ukrainians even if there's a change in administration, that the west is still with them, that the g7 nations and european democrats in general still stand with ukraine. this is very welcome news, especially that we're starting to see the tide changing on the battlefield. the russians were making advances, particularly in the east, but those advances over the last two weeks or so have started to slow. >> you're talking about good news right now. we have an american election in november. we have a french election calling up. macron calling for a snap election of the french parliament. there's an election in the uk also. how does ukraine feel now looking ahead to the near-term future? >> reporter: well, you're right to sound a note of caution, katy. this could be a peak moment. this could be as good as it gets with the money flowing from the united states, the weapons flowing, a commitment for ten years from the u.s. president. president biden gave a full-throated defense of democracy at the d-day anniversary. this could be a high-water mark. we'll see if the right continues to make gains in europe, that would be positive for vladimir putin. the right wing in europe is pro putin in general. if we see president trump come into power, it's possible he would tear up this agreement that is about to be announced. right at this moment, considering where things stand, it has been a very successful last several weeks for ukraine. i think a lot of this is about giving -- sending a message to vladimir putin certainly. sending a message to the ukrainian people. but also trying to give zelenskyy confidence before he goes into a summit this weekend about a possible peace deal. we talked a lot about defending ukraine over d-day and right now we'll hear a very passionate statement i expect from president biden and president zelenskyy in defense of defending this nation. but this weekend in switzerland president zelenskyy and allies are going to be talking about peace. what is required to have a peace deal with russia? is it possible? now president zelenskyy will be going into that conference with more money in his pockets and more weapons on the way. >> richard engel, thank you very much. gabe gutierrez, appreciate it. let's bring in michael mcfall, former ambassador to russia. part of this, ambassador, is to send a message to vladimir putin, that the west is still united. the west will still help ukraine. is vladimir putin hearing that message or is he sitting there and biding his time? >> i think both. i think this is a great meeting. you know, the autocrats are united. remember, the chinese, iranians, russians, north koreans, they're all helping russia. the g7, this is the leadership of the free world. they're doing some very important things. you mentioned big things about the $50 billion loan. they're using russian seized assets, the interests from that to provide this loan. that's a big thing. signing the security pact, that's a big thing. glad it's finally happening. dozens of other countries have done it. there's a third one you haven't talked about yet. the biden administration put in place some very important new sanctions yesterday. they'll probably talk about that again today, especially trying to limit technological transfers to russia's military industrial complex. that's all good news like you're talking about and at the same time i talk to ukrainians every day. the number one question from president zelenskyy on down is who will be the next president of the united states. they understand crystal clear that that will have a radical repercussion for the security of their country. >> talking about how russia has been reacting lately, obviously they're making gains on the battlefield. ukraine was stalled waiting for six months for the american congress to get it together before we sent another round of funding. now there's nuclear subs, warships, from russia in cuba passing right by a few miles off the coast of miami. what does that signal from vladimir putin and who is he sending that signal to? >> to you and me. he's trying to say, mr. president, you allowed the ukrainians to use american weapons to attack us inside russia, which by the way i think was the right decision. they have to be able to defend themselves from people attacking them from russia. this is saying we're coming to your neighborhood too. my reaction to that is exactly what president biden has done. don't overreact. they're not going to attack us with these subs, as some people have been describing in the press. oh, my gosh, it's a cuban missile crisis again. no, it is not. we need to be relaxed about this. it is signaling, but it's much to do about nothing. it's the right decision biden made before and he should stick to that decision. >> why is it much ado about nothing? feels a lot like the cold war. feels like the bay of pigs. we know how close we got to disaster with that. why are you so don't worry about it? >> depends how you think about it. back then they needed to put the nuclear weapons in to strike us within minutes. tragically today they can strike us within minutes because they have icbms. 1,550 weapons aimed at us now, nuclear weapons, from land and sea. they're not gaining a military advantage by having those ships there. that's the new reality we live in. it's called mutual assured destruction. it helps to keep the peace. this is not changing that. >> this ten-year deal which is to supply kiev with a wide range of military assistance. national security adviser jake sullivan saying this is something he hopes will be hard to unravel. donald trump can unravel this. if donald trump wins the election in november, ambassador, will he step away from ukraine? will he unravel a deal like this? >> yes. i mean i hate to -- i hope i'm wrong. if mr. trump is re-elected, i'll do everything i can to stop that as will members of the u.s. congress and senate. the signaling he's doing right now is that he doesn't care about ukraine. he thinks he can cut a deal with his buddy vladimir putin to end the war and the idea of committing for ten years to continue to provide them with military assistance is not something that either presidential candidate trump, nor his immediate circle on foreign policy, this is not something i think they will continue. >> ambassador michael mcfall, thank you. we're waiting for this news conference between volodymyr zelenskyy and president biden. it was supposed to start at 1:45. it's 2:13 and hasn't begun yet. once the news conference begins we'll go there. we are going to sneak in a quick 90-second break. when we come back, donald trump returns to capitol hill for the first time since january 6th. democrats were waiting for him with video of the insurrection, the riot he inspired playing on loop. we'll be right back. don't go anywhere. ♪ what a feeling! ♪ ♪ to have t-mobile now! ♪ [introspective music] recipes. recipes written by hand and lost to time. are now being analyzed and restored using the power of dell ai. ♪ you know what's brilliant? 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>> cheerleading. i understand this morning the republicans met in the capitol hill club, which is a republican hangout. they were enthusiastic and standing ovations and hooting and hollering. then he goes to meet with the senate where there's less of that, but still appears to be strong support. it was his effort to get up there and try to make some news and apparently he's going to go and visit with some ceos at the business round table and it's his tour designed to attract some publicity, to show some strength, show some unity. at the end of the day you have to wonder about the recent polls that show some slippage for him among independents and continued slippage among some republicans. for him to go up there was a smart thing to do. >> let's bring in jake sherman of punch bowl news. he has reporting on what happened inside the meeting. jake, what can you tell us? >> reporter: it was typical donald trump, katy. this was billed, as governor kasich said, a moment of unit and getting on the same page. that wasn't what it was about. it was a long ramble about things he likes and doesn't like and people he doesn't like. he talked about nancy pelosi's daughter allegedly telling him they would be good in a relationship, or a good match. one of pelosi's daughters said that was not true. he said, and we broke this, he doesn't like milwaukee. it's a horrible city he says. the campaign has pushed back on that. it's amazing to see, katy, all of the people in the room have a different explanation. either he said it, he didn't say it, he said it but meant this or that. he was talking about the park in milwaukee. katy, you and i have been through this. it's taking me back to 2020, 2019, 2018 and for you earlier than that in which people hear what they want from trump. it's. >> all: over the place. >> i found it interesting that senator murkowski said she feels like she's been throw back into his first administration where every day she was asked nonstop questions to react to whatever donald trump did or said that day. she said the same thing happened to her today. she didn't seem to like it very much. of course murkowski is one of the people that voted to convict him during the impeachment. how do republicans feel about the prospect of having to go through that all over again, jake? >> reporter: well, it's different in the house than the senate. in the house you have a bunch -- nearly everybody in the house is 100% for donald trump, at least publicly, and will defend and stand up for literally anything he says and does. he said milwaukee is a horrible city. everybody said he didn't say it. of course he did say it according to almost everybody in the room. in the senate there's a little more skepticism about donald trump, about his policy preferences and motivations and his position on tariffs or this or that or the other thing. i will say he made some points that a lot of republicans don't agree with. on abortion he said a couple minutes ago at the senate meeting he said abortions was the reason republicans lost seats in 2022. in the meeting with house members he said there should be exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother which is not a position held by every republican in the house and senate. again, we're seeing this trump vortex, what happens when donald trump rolls into town and that's the undeniable reality that every republican every day will be held to account for what trump says because what he says is sometimes controversial and doesn't lineup with what the rest of the party says or believes. >> let's play what speaker johnson said about the potential second trump presidency. >> we need continuity in leadership. we have to have a plan and it has to be carefully executed. when he became president for the first time in 2017, i was a freshman in congress. a lot of people on capitol hill didn't expect that would be the eventuality. they didn't believe the republican party would have the white house, the senator and the house. we lost a few steps because the plan was not fully implemented. we're not going to make that mistake again. >> when republicans hear that, governor kasich, great, we'll get a lot done. when democrats hear that they say the republicans want to get an abortion ban. republicans want to institute donald trump's policy to evict the so-called deep staters from the government and install loyalists. they worry about that. they worry about what donald trump -- whether there will be any lines in a second donald trump administration. if there aren't any, how far might he go? democrats are concerned about destroying democracy. governor, what do you see -- what do you hear when you hear mike johnson say that? >> katy, i spoke to some people in the first trump administration and some who might be in a second trump administration, if there is one. number one, i don't think the republicans are going to hang on to the house. this whole idea that they'll have all the organs in government is not going to pan out to be the way they think it is. secondly, when i talk to people who have been inside the administration and those who could be in again, take, for example, the matter of tariffs. there's significant disagreement among his advisers. i actually have talked to some who have said if we were to raise these tariffs up really high, it would slow the economy down, could throw us into a recession. there's a long way from the rhetoric that we hear in a political campaign to what actually you do, actually the policies that come from that. the issue of tariffs, both sides are doubling down on tariffs. at the end of the day, if you boost them too high, you can throw the country into a recession. there will be people inside an administration who will try to hold the brakes on some of these things. how much influence they'll have or what it will be like, we don't know. if you were to look inside the policies that were laid out here -- i'm not talking about abortion or the life of the mother, rape, incest, that's where the country is. i'm talking about the economic policies, the tariff policies, the foreign policies, there's a long way to go to understand what their specifics are. again, there will be people in there who say no, no, no, we can't do that. there will be a tug of war. >> governor, jake, thank you very much. coming up what the supreme court said about the abortion pill today and why the ruling isn't making abortion advocates sleep any easier. any easier aaaaaaaahhhh kayak. search one and done. nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common

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