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their other posts. it shows video of biden watching a parachuting demonstration with other world leaders. and if you only saw the moments that they decided to post of this video, the video makes it look like biden is confused or wandering off, the caption, what is biden doing adds to that impression. if you watch a longer version of that same moment or you watch it from other angles, you can see that biden is clearly watching other pair shooters out of frame and giving them a thumbs-up. but rather than include that context, 90 minutes after they posted their video, the new york post reposted it. making him seem even more out of it. and of course, hours later the video got the fox news treatment . >> during a parachute demonstration, biden got dazed and confused, how shocking and started to just wander off like that. as other leaders looked on in agony -- >> fox news, looked on in agony nevermind the fact that they are quoted on the record. the next morning, the story was the front page of the new york post. trumps campaign quick to push out the front page on its own accounts. it is a conservative echo chamber and doesn't seem to care what is echoing back and forth. the issue here is not just this one video. we have seen the same exact the cycle again and again. a misleading clip of biden making it look like he was reaching for a chair that wasn't actually there. the issue with that being that there was a chair there. he was just waiting to sit until defense secretary was announced. as were others if you look at the actual not cropped video. this week, they are pushing a misleading clip of biden at a fundraiser claiming that biden freezes as obama grabs his arm and leads him off stage. they .0 in its own fact check, with the video actually shows is biden pausing amid cheers and applause before exiting the stage with obama but backs didn't stop trump posting the video himself complete with the caption is this really who you want to be our president? misleading photos and videos, not a new phenomenon. what is new is having the republican party and a media ecosystem in presumptive republican nominee for president all pushing those misleading videos but no regard for the facts. >> a part of a 90 minute rant. trump of course also repeated the false claim that he won the 2020 election. implored supporters to be on the lookout for more fraud this time around. >> you want to watch it, you want to watch for the cheating. we have to guard the boat. >> we are not going to let them rig at the presidential election in 2024. >> this week liberal activists really secretly recorded audio of roger stone talking about what he sees as it trumps plan to challenge the election results this time around if trump loses. it was recorded without stones knowledge. he believes that the election was stolen to get him to talk about how he thinks that the election was stolen again. >> in some states, at least this time when they do it, you have a lawyer and a judge his home phone number standing buys you can stop it. we may know preparations last time. none. >> after the 2020 election, they filed 62 lawsuits claiming the election had been stolen. one of the lawsuits, the other 61 lawsuits they failed miserably. this newly released cornerstone is and just trying to relitigate the failures and claim that the 2020 election is rigged, he isn't even just saying that it is quote unquote rigged, he is also saying that those false claims being taken to court will be much bigger and better this time around. particularly now trumps daughter-in-law controls the rnc . remember >> the republican national committee raised $200 million and they didn't spend any of it to try to get cleaner elections. we now finally have control over that. don't be discouraged. we are going to win >> we reached for comments by the rolling stones saying that, quote, all of the integrity positions he mentioned are perfectly legal but that's not exactly a denial. with a misinformation ecosystem, how do we protect our democracy? >> helped leave the biden campaign's response to the barrage of bad faith election lawsuits. this week bowers out with a brand-new book the tackles these very issues. it's called the unraveling, reflections on politics without ethics and democracy in crisis. the political combat., quote, political actors their response ability to demonstrate in the choices they make that politics can and should be an honorable and ethical calling. good politics can be played hard and passionately. not all of the limits are clear, not everyone agrees on the limits. however, there has to be agreement that there are in the midst of some kind. the political actors are accountable for confronting choices and accepting responsibility for choices they make. joining me know, bob bauer the personal attorney, former white house counsel in obama administration. his new book, the unraveling, democracy in crisis what a title. congratulations on the book. thank you for being here. i am struck by the fact that in the book you describe yourself as having a warrior mentality. you also question whether winning at all costs is worth it. i wonder how you walk the fine line between those poles when you know that the other side they are not afraid to go low. >> not a partisan issue is a bipartisan issue of what kind of politics we are going to have whether it is going to be true or is going to be politics which i call antipolitics. that treats the adversary as an enemy. something to be basically shunted for one side. as he pointed out in your opening, where there is no responsibility . releasing for some measure of honesty and fairness to the voters and politics around ethics is not democratic politics. i want to stress this. i think i and others in democratic campaigns have done this for quite some time i reject the premise that you can't compete hard that you can't be strong in your convictions, you can't be vigorous in your campaigns and at the same time run them ethically and win. i was at the obama campaign in 2008 and the president won. i was with the re-election campaign of president obama in 2012. he won. president biden in 2020, he won. victory is possible but the overall effect of politics without ethics, irresponsible behavior for those who have those choices to make in government politics is something we have to be deeply concerned about. that is an issue for democrats as well as republicans. >> i want to talk a little bit about 2020 and how it applies to what you are looking for. summer 2020 you outline a multistep strategy in the summer in anticipation of trump questioning the result of the november election. i wonder when you realized you are going to need to execute on this plan. >> remember that former president trump made no bones about his belief that he couldn't possibly lose. as a matter of fact even claimed that he hadn't lost in the iowa caucuses. there is something fishy about that election as well. he flagged that as did others in his campaign circle. a lot of energy and effort went into thinking through what sort of steps they might take to challenge the election to undermine the process beforehand or to challenge the process after. i write in my book about how much effort went into identifying, thousands of lawyer hours, thousands of pages and memos. not all of it came to pass but having said that, they did come to pass. trump and his campaign did not succeed at all. >> he is doing the same thing again, this time already saying that they will call into the 2024 election. it's interesting that you and i are talking tonight because i've become on the air there is a new fox news poll that shows him leading 50% to 48% nationally among registered voters. that was the first time we had seen that this cycle. do you believe that team biden is prepared for the novel ways. the new ways that team trump has imagined once again democracy. >> i recount in the book how we prepared in 2020 and i can say that the preparations are just as exhausted if not more this time around. the effort here, i want to be very clear. the effort here is not just to prepare to protect a win, it's too prepared to protect a process. i will say at the same time that i am involved in this campaign and i am very involved in the campaign, i also work with republicans on initiatives that are meant to be bipartisan to support our elected officials . that is where the politics has to stop. it has to stop at the point in which we are attacking the process that we all depend upon for the fulfillment of the process. for the fulfillment of democratic will. >> is much as you're clear about the fact that this is a bipartisan challenge euros a clear but the fact that when we talk about republicans, this is bigger than donald trump. you call for an egregious offense against norms. you also note that, quote, when another election-year vacancy developed on the death of ruth bader ginsburg he decided to rush the nomination ahead of voter choice only months off.'s argument that they had a, it somehow lost its force for them in 2020 but the nomination was theirs to make in the seat was theirs to fill. how corrosive was it? >> in my view, this is the kind of step taken just to win to push through a result because you can push through that result that added together into all of those actions that are taken it really does have a long-term undermining affect not just on the way that the process should operate but the public loses faith. and at some point in the seeking their favor and seeking their voting to campaign, there is a limit, there is a limit to what responsible political actors will do in the same way that they have to hope that when trying to enact policies there is a limit. there have to be those limits. i'm convinced by the way that victory was possible adhering to those limits. >> you right in the unraveling about a moment after january 6th where you thought, quote, democratic life will go back to normal. that seems very quaint now. i'm sure you will agree, nothing feels normal. we're in the middle of what we keep calling the most consequential election of our lifetime. i just wanted to underline what it is that keeps you up at night. >> you have to worry about everything. we went through a period of very polarized politics. norms challenge, literally reputed in principle. and i do believe, however, if i can just strike an optimistic note, both democratic and republican that, yes, there are the republican party said donald trump commands that is prepared to challenge elections and prepared to say that the system is irredeemably corrupt but some of them are quiet to think even if they will vote for republicans that we have to defend the democratic process. there is a form of democratic politics that is ethical and respectful of the voters and respectful, i've heard that from republicans and i believe that there is a large number, more than a majority that wants to stand up and defend the democratic process in the united states. is much as i worry at night, you've asked what i worry about and it's a fair amount, i have confidence that we are going to see the country of voters stand up for the process that is currently under such severe attack. >> the optimism that you've shared is in high demand. thank you for ending us there. the personal attorney, the author of the brand-new book the unraveling. thank you so much, bob. >> thank you. donald trump's threat to cut funding, we are going to talk about that. the strengthening alliance between kim jong-un and vladimir putin was on full display today. that is of next. ci ' s financial expertise to help drive its growth and keep its supply chain moving, so more pet parents can get everything they need... right when they need it. keeping more pets, and families, happy. ♪♪ for the love of moving our clients forward. for the love of progress. shop etsy for thoughtful pieces made by real people to bring a little 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outside of north korea's capital today where the red carpet was rolled out for a carefully choreographed parade of two dictators. for the first time in over two decades, putin and kim jong-un meet as part of a continued effort to strengthen the alliance with north korea. a welcome ceremony complete with goose stepping soldiers, thousands of north koreans lined the streets. his portrait and the russian flag plastered practically everywhere. but the climax of this high- profile trip is a defense agreement. it calls for russia and north korea to defend one another in the event of the aggression against either country. in other words, they back with the new york times is calling one of the most visible awards, returned for dozens of ballistic missiles, north korea provided in recent months to support putin's war. while the details were not immediately clear, can work the strongest bond since the end of the cold war, last month six senior officials told nbc news that the biden administration is increasingly concerned about the alliance. the officials say the u.s. is also bracing for north korea to potentially take its most provocative military actions in a decade close to the u.s. presidential election, possibly at putin's urging. the timing could be designed. thank you so much for being with us, i wonder what you make of this new agreement. it doesn't suggest that putin is in fact desperate. >> without question, putin is desperate. he would've not made this trip, first time he has been here in a quarter century. i am just up the street from where mr. putin was. that is by coincidence by the way i'm not trolling him, i just happen to be here. joking aside, answering -- it's very nerve-racking for people here in south korea as well. they have never been this close. it's literally a few years ago before putin invaded ukraine. one thing they cooperated on was trying to prevent an expansion of the nuclear weapons program. what the security suggests is that now all of those bets are off and putin is not just trying to prevent it, he is trying to help them expand their arsenal that is a very dangerous new development that we are seeing in north korea. >> what does this mean for the ongoing fight against russia? the market means that putin will have more munitions, more weapons to kill ukrainians, it's that simple. the fact that he doesn't have those weapons underscores how desperate he is. a lot of chatter about how well the russian military is doing. there getting technology from countries like china but also countries from the west. that's disturbing. i think last week they focus on that. but the very fact that he needs this pretty crude kinds of technology, the munitions, soviet era musicians -- ammunitions suggest that putin is running out. it is bad news for the ukrainians. >> i want you to help me understand this in the context of the 2024 election which is, we know what former president trump thinks of putin, we know what he thinks of kim jong-un. he has praised both of these leaders. if he were to be elected to a second term as these two nations are cozying up to one another, in part because they're both anti-west, anti- u.s., what does that mean for this country? >> i hope the american people remember just how crazy things got under mr. trump, when he just reached out and putin was one of his closest allies and friends. he said it repeatedly for years and years and years. i am paraphrasing, but mr. trump, president trump said we fell in love. think about that, these two leaders were meeting today to threaten in a direct way, we are trying to help the ukrainians, let me tell you, our south korean allies here are extremely nervous about what they were seeing in north korea and they're very nervous that mr. trump has embraced both of these gentlemen. for allies in asia. i think we need to think about that hard before voting him back into office, i think it will create tremendous disruption with respect to our alliances. and even if not immediately, everybody will begin to hedge their bets. that will remain a very unstable world that i don't think is in america's best interest. >> your level of concern that another u.s. adversary could in fact be planning in october? >> there's no doubt in my mind, there is no doubt in my mind that putin wants trump to win. and remember, he helped him. he stole emails and publish them. docs clinton to try to help them. this time around it is clear as day he wants to help them. if there's anything you can do before november, i suspect he will try to do it. whether it works or not, i don't know. there's no doubt in my mind that putin has the intention and the capability to try to help disrupt their elections. >> joining us from south korea, vassar, stay safe and thank you so much for your time. coming up, the bizarre actions against a democratic collie, shining a light on the loss of civility. first, donald trump's plan -- more on that right after a quick 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