solyndra loan. this has to do with the president himself, doesn't it? >> this means members of congress are not going to get a glimpse of what is on the president's blackberry or anymore internal documents from the white house relate to the solyndra loans. two investigators asked the white house to release all of the internal documents, anything that mentioned the solyndra loan whatsoever and send them to captiol hill. the white house counsel sent a letter to them this afternoon. we got a copy of it and it says, we're not going to do this. we're not going to send you the documents because you have 70,000 pages of documents from agencies, 900 pages from inside the white house and to be bottom line it for you, erin, this is consistent with other administrations. we have always heard of executive privilege. the president always protects, traditionally the right of their advisers to give them unvarnished advice. so this isn't that big of a surprise but expect political fireworks any way. >> thank you very much. let's bring in john avalon and jeffrey toobin to talk about that. political fireworks. we are going to get some because in addition to the news jessica broke we see an energy adviser that pushed for the loan raised a half million dollars for the president's re-election campaign. >> solyndra stinks and all of the e-mails show culpable and the wisdom of making the loans. however, to this piece of breaking news, the white house has already turned over 70,000 documents and 900 documents from the white house. the issue at end is what to do with the president's blackberry. it is unprecedented technology territory and that's one of the reasons it makes sense to invoke executive privilege to stop it from becoming a political fishing expedition. >> the blackberry new precedent here. >> when obama came president, people said don't carry a blackberry, people will suppress it. bad embarrassing news comes out at 6:30 on friday. i don't think it is going to i don't think this is going to be that legally controversial. if it's about the blackberry, this is the core of presidential decision making. it's like his diary. that's not something that any court is going to turn unless there is direct proof there's something relative to criminality and it is far from any criminality here. >> how much more political fallout is there? the solyndra loan is something a lot of people know it is bad. and or there is something bad about it. >> it is short hand for questions about wasting taxpayer money on green jobs. it will resonate throughout the electorate. it is a symbol for a problem in the administration. >> the problem is political, i think it is far from clear it is a legal problem. you said culpability, maybe political culpability but this is a loan guarantee for green jobs. some companies succeeded. this one failed that in and of itself doesn't suggest a legal issue but whether the government should be spending money this way. >> there is a kwid quo pro problem. you have an administration that wanted to push green jobs and they wanted to do it by the private sectors and used loan guarantees so you have the problem of political culpability. it is a symbol that republicans are using the question is will this become so toxic that it actually stops america's long-term investment in green jobs. that goes way beyond the politics. >> thank you very much. john will stay with us. the loan story befwan with the president's goal of energy dense and a push for green jobs help is far from the only one with that goal. rick perry said his jobs plan was about making america energy independent. it's a familiar refrain, herman cain made a promise in "outfront" last night. >> i want by the end of the decade for the united states of america to be be departmentent on oil-rich countries. >> oh, wait. it's less of a big deal than it seems already. >> we will lay the foundation for our future capacity to meet america's energy needs from america's own resources. >> reduce our dependence on foreign energy supplies. >> our dependence on foreign oil will be stopped dead in its tracks. >> fully deregulate natural gas to bring new supplies and bring us closer to energy independence. >> make our nation more secure and less dependent on foreign oil. >> okay. it's almost a joke, right? but here's the thing. why hasn't it happened? a combination of factors. american oil is expense i have to extract versus iraqi oil which one oil ceo said is like drinking oil out of a straw. i have been told that getting oil out of the ground in iraq can cost $2 in iraq and in mexico it can cost 20. >> we end up importing half of our oil according to the energy information administration. what if we went for it and really committed to finally doing it? ripping out the heroin needle? becoming energy independent? here's the thing, we don't have enough supplies to last indefinitely. we'd have to produce eight times the current levels according to city's anthony you. we have other options like coal or natural gas. we have a lot then and still have a lot now. going all in on nat gas, overhauling the electric grid and overhauling every gas station in america would take trillion dollars. it would take ten years but he thinks it would create 10 million jobs. john avalon is with us and the director of the energy forum at the baker institute and he is joining us as well. amy, what's your take? >> we are able to produce natural gas and oil from solid rock. we have a lot of oil and gas in solid rock in the united states. so when all of those presidents made those statements years ago it wasn't so possible but now actually the truth is we have a lot of potential. politically there is all sorts of issues, environmental issues among them. >> that's not the biggest one in the current environment. this is a hollow promise. as you showed every president has put out for 40 years. >> a joke but not funny. >> not remotely funny. people want to move away from our addiction to foreign oil. there is no silver bullet. only approach is an aggressive all of the above approach. we innovate our way out of problems in america. it will have to have diversification conservation and invasion and some of the plans we are hearing from the president are drill baby drill. >> amy it could seem the current president tried to get it right saying if you are going to look at innovative ideas or green, i don't want to pick which is the winning technology. we will get loan guarantee and we know we will get a lot of failures but that's how we will end up with the next great industry. did he do it right? >> i would pick a bone with the president. if he had taken that half billion dollars and put it in to real r and d. let's not subsidize someone who is producing all of the energy for solar cells when it makes sense to subsidize a land line phone company to make rotary lines no. we want to promote solar because the current technology is not efficient enough. where i could criticize the white house is in the allegation of how many resources we are going to give to existing companies with old technology and how much money are we going to spend on invasion. >> thank you very much to both of you. we appreciate it. john and amy and we will be talking more about this. solyndra and beyond. jon huntsman boycotts nevada. he spoke to "outfront." new search for baby lisa and did a nuclear accident contaminate hundreds of thousands of kids? system. it tracks every vehicle in their fleet. it cuts fuel use. koch: it enhances customer service. it's pretty amazing when people who loan you money also show you how to save it. not just money, knowledge. it's so much information, it's like i'm right there in every van in the entire fleet. good day overall. yeah, i'm good. come on in. let's go. wow, this is fantastic. ge capital. they're not just bankers. we're builders. they helped build our business. you can't change the way banking works. just accept it, man. free ? 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>> well, i think the main way that this will be resolved, is if nevada actually chose to go three days later than the date that they've announced, which is the 14th. if they were to go to the 17th of january, that provides a weak -- week space between them and new hampshire on january 10th and a week space between new hampshire and my home state of iowa which will be its caucuses on january 3rd. both of iowa and new hampshire work very closely together to coordinate these dates and they are in sync and the presidential candidates know that. and are going to campaign aggressively. >> the bigger issue is these candidates don't want it to be resolved. jon huntsman can't afford plane fare the way his campaign is running. they want to try to make a play for new hampshire. >> i don't disagree with you, robert. i would say that nevada has mismanaged their dates in the past, mismanaged their caucuses in previous years and don't have the tradition of new hampshire, they don't have the history of iowa. >> let's be realistic, scott. the tradition of new hampshire. >> it makes sense for most candidates to skip nevada. >> i'm curious why this hasn't happened before. if you are an important, early state, you have more influence than a later state. >> >> it has happened in the past. it's always been a position between iowa and new hampshire. under state law, new hampshire, under their own state law comes first. >> i'm talking about florida and nevada and all of the states fighting now. >> there's always a battle. in fact, last year, florida and michigan were discounted from primary process and lost delegates when they tried to jump the calendar. there's always a process. let's understand the tradition. the enormous economy, the economic boost this means to new hampshire and iowa. iowa being the first caucus and new hampshire the first primary. let freedom ring. >> let me ask you about herman cain. he was on our show yesterday and he's got a lot of momentum. the man of the moment, if not more, a big surge. haylee barbour saying that he can "sweep the south." do you think herman cain can go the distance? >> i think it is certainly possible. you look at this year and people are hungry for fresh ideas that are not of washington. people are tired of slick, packaged presidents and herman cain like it or not has come in and with a fresh idea of the 9-9-9 plan and it has taken over the debate in the republican field. it dominated this week's debate and was the topic of discussion and he has a likable personality that really comes through and resonates with voters. >> that really comes through and resonates with voters. >> if you examine governor barbour's comments, he was sending a message to mitt romney not to take him for granted. the reality is, this is a campaign running on political viagra. it's about his artificial and temporary as the trunk, bachmann, and perry surge. >> i don't think so. >> if it lasts more than four weeks you might as well go to campaign doctors. >> with all due respect, you haven't been a republican voter in a primary caucus and republicans are hungry for somebody with the outside experience willing to tell it like it is and herman cain is doing that. >> but pry mars and caucuses are about intense organization. it is very intense organization. it requires funding and grass root activism and we see him selling books in tennessee. >> but that's grass roots. right? it's getting people that need all of that. let me ask you about the immigration law that passed in alabama. i know we have been talking about that. this is amazing stuff an apeels court blocked the part of the law that required teachers to collect information on whether their students were illegal immigrants. 2,000 kids stopped going to school. there have been issues with agriculture the state. i want to ask you, scott, first, what does it mean putting or keeping immigration the center of the national conversation just when it is a topic a lot of these republicans don't want to talk about in the primaries? >> it is interesting, erin. this is a topic that when i worked for president bush at the white house we worked on aggressively. we worked across party lines to try to get comprehensive immigration reform put in to place. unfortunately, because of harry reid, that did not happen. but these states are reflecting the desire out there for someone to do something about the problem. interestingly, alabama, in that case, they actually -- one part upheld was that police officers could detain someone they stopped lawfully if they suspected they were an illegal immigrant. some parts were upheld and others were not. but this topic, we have to reduce the volume -- >> scott we have to recognize. >> discussion in order to bring people together. the leaders of both parties pander on it. >> we have to recognize this is a bipartisan disgrace. by party during the first two years of the obama presidency my party did not show the leadership to get the job done despite the rhetoric and your party had six years with president bush in the house and senate and didn't step is up to do the job. >> we had an opportunity in 2007, robert. it failed -- >> we will leave it -- thank you very much to both of you. we appreciate it. nothing wrong with sparring on a friday night. 11 dans no sign of 11-month-old lisa irwin. there were videos of the toddler 10 months old, not a toddler but with hope that someone will come forward with information leading to her return. we have the latest from kansas missouri tonight. baby lisa is 11 months old but has been missing two weeks now. this is the family's front yard. people have come by, left teddy bears and signs of support and hopes she is found safely. her parents despite having made public statements after her disappearance have kept a low profile in the last week or so despite now being, having brought on a high-profile private investigator by the name of wild bill stanton. he came from new york to help the familiar hi. his services paid for by what is described as a wealthy benefactor. he announced today an anonymous donor put up a $100,000 reward for baby lisa's safe return and or any information that leads to her abductors' conviction. having said that the one thing that has not changed in the almost two weeks the story has been going on in kansas city is police have no solid leads as to where baby lisa might be. they continue searching areas around here, wooded areas, rock quarries, creek areas but still no sign of where baby lisa might be. those investigators are keeping information very close to the vest. no sign of where baby lisa might be or any hopes that anyone might be arrested in this case. erin? >> ed, thank you very much. 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