zimmerman's wife, shelly, lied at the bond hearing in april about their ability to make bail. here she is that day testifying by phone, first being sworn in, then not telling the truth. >> do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth so help you god? >> yes, i do. >> are you of any financial means where you could assist in those costs? >> not -- not that i'm aware of. >> because the judge believed the zimmermans to be strapped for cash, zimmerman was granted a low bail, $150,000 of which he only had to pay $15,000 out of pocket. what mrs. zimmerman did not say is that the couple actually had more than $150,000 in donations in a paypal account. >> the defendant through ms. zimmerman lied to this court about the amount of money they had. now i would argue to the court that that is an egregious violation in terms of the representations that were made to this court. it was misleading and i don't know what other words to use other than it was a blatant lie. >> what's really interesting is that in addition the court has transcripts of a call, a telephone call between zimmerman and his wife last month allegedly where they were talking in code about money, talking in hundreds when in fact they were actually talking about tens of thousands of dollars. quote, in my account do i have at least a hundred dollars george zimmerman asks. no, eventually says it's more like 155 dollars. >> what they're talking about is 100,000 and 155,000. his passport, he handed one over to the court. none of that sat well to judge lester. the judge asking, does your client get to sit there like a potted palm and let you lead me down the prim rose path? just moments ago i spoke with mr. omar ra and with the martin family attorney, benjamin crumb. >> mark, have you spoken with george zimmerman since today's ruling? >> yes, i have. >> what was his response? >> well, you know, frustrated because he now has to sort of come out of the hiding that he's in. he understand the court's ruling. i've had a good conversation with him about it. we're going to have a conversation with the judge to try to explain it away and hopefully that will be worth while and we'll get back out on bond. >> does -- i mean, does he admit that he tried to mislead the court or does he say he tried to mislead the court? >> well, there's no question that they knew about the money, and actually in a previous correspondence to the judge we had acknowledged that. the question of whether or not they presented it properly, i think it was somewhat misleading to the court. i've gone over that with george. i think you need to realize that we're still talking about a 28-year-old who, you know, is being charged with a crime he does not believe he committed and his whole life has been turned upside down so i think it all needs to be kept in context. >> the prosecutor though is saying that he and his wife had phone conversations that they knew were likely being recorded because he was in prison at the time and that she was actually at the bank where the paypal account was and that they were talking in code which -- which seems to -- is relatively sophisticated if that's true. >> well, the code that they were using, to the extent that they were using a code, if you read the transcripts, if they were talking about $180,000, they were talking about $18 or $90 was $9, so i don't think that it was a particularly sophisticated code that they were using. and, again, as i've said before, if, in fact, they were trying to deceive the judge with some intent to hide away the money, i don't believe that they would have turned it over five days later when the first conversation about it actually occurred. >> ben, how important a ruling do you think this is? >> well, i certainly think it's the most important ruling in the case thus far. >> the most important? how so? >> the most important thus far because it makes us all focus on the credibility of george zimmerman, which is the central issue in this case. everybody looks at the evidence, the only evidence that trayvon against george zimmerman is his version. the 911 calls, the situation where he says he was getting out of his car. that all suggests that he's pursuing trayvon, that he confronts trayvon. george zimmerman says trayvon attacked him. that's why i think it's very important, the ruling that the judge said, based on the law. >> mark, does this hurt his credibility? if he was misleading in court? you downplayed this code, but it does show -- i mean, if it was an intentional desire to mislead somebody listening on the phone, that's another example of being misleading. >> everybody's credibility who's going to be a witness in this case, quite honestly even posthumously trayvon martin's credibility will be an issue before we get in front of a jury. whether mr. zimmerman allowed that to occur may affect his credibility. i don't think it will get before a jury. but we also need to keep in mind that what really is going to be important in this case is the forensic evidence, the entirety of the evidence which will include the eye witness statements, the forensic evidence of the injuries, the forensic evidence regarding the gunshot. all of that will be taken into context. one part of that or one facet the credibility of all people involved. certainly should george decide to testify, his credibility as well. >> mark, about the second passport. you say zimmerman did what he needed to do and that the responsibility for the court not knowing about it is your fault, how so. >> on the 26th when i was talking to george, coincidentally i was talking to him about the money and the check. he said they found a second passport. he told me about that. he forwarded to me in a fed ex package the second passport and the check at one time. as it turns out, we have good documentation that it came to me on the 26th. on the 27th i did a notice of filing to give that to the court file. we were at court and literally it was left in my pleading file until this morning when bernie, the prosecutor first said to me, we found out about this second passport. i said, hold on, i have it. and i've had it since the 27th or 26th of april. my apologies, but it's always been here. >> benjamin, how did trayvon martin's family react to the news today? >> well, they certainly were relieved to hear that zimmerman's bond will be revoked. they wanted him to remain in custody until they have the trial. i just have to say this, anderson, with respect to mr. o'mara, there is going to be -- the testimony that he -- that mr. -- the special prosecutor's office said they lied on material information, that's relevant. nobody's going to say trayvon martin lied in the court. nobody's going to say there was a material falsehood. i think that's important to this case. >> mark o'mara, appreciate you being on and benjamin crump. let's dig deeper on the implications of this dramatic day in court. we have mark and sunny hostin. as a criminal defense attorney, mark, i'm curious to get your knowledge of what happened. benjamin crump says this is the most important ruling because it totally destroys zimmerman's credibility about what happened the night of the shooting? >> i think -- i don't think that it totally damages his credibility. is it bad? yes. there's no sugar coating of it. i think you might remember, anderson, we talked about this the night you led off, i think you were the one who reported first about the money that was in that account, and i said at the time. i know a lot of judges that would have remanded him into custody right there and then. so this judge gave him quite a bit of string to play out before remanding him into custody. and i would tend to agree with mr. crump. i that i it will, if he takes the stand, this is something especially because it dealt with this judge in this courtroom, that's something he'll let in. having said all of that, i don't think it's going to be the death fell in for the defense in this case. in fact, i think in a lot of ways mark o'mara has always fall eleven on the grenade. the second passport was my fault. i also brought it to the court a's attention about the money in the account. to mark's credit, he hasn't laid it off on the prior lawyers. i think a lot of this can be laid off on those two clowns that were representing zimmerman beforehand who should have informed zimmerman, look, when you go into custody, remember something. they're taping everything you say. so don't think you're going to outsmart the cops or the prosecutors by talking in code or anything else. that's the first thing you tell a client when they're in custody is don't talk to me, don't talk to anybody when you're on the phone about material facts or anything else that the prosecutor is going to have unless you want that broadcast on cnn the next day. >> sunny, mark o'mara is a good attorney. he was mislead clearly by george zimmerman because he didn't know about this money. he wouldn't have gone into court making this argument had he known about this money. but he's now arguing, well, you know, it wasn't a very complicated code they were talking in. whether it was complicated, smard code or not, it does seem like he and his wife were trying to mislead the court. >> it certainly seems like that. the judge found that. i have a copy of the motion in front of me. i think it's pretty clear that they not only knew that they were being taped but they tried to be evasive about that. they were trying to speak in code. i have to tell you that i do think it's significant, the judge's finding resloeking his bond and finding out he had been dishonest. that is because should this case have a stand your ground hearing, that's just in front of the judge. it will be the judge's determination as to whether or not george zimmerman gets immunity. that will be the same judge that found him dishonest. it is very significant that this judge has been placed in a position that he believes george zimmerman can be dishonest. if this case is about self-defense, the only version of events that leads to self-defense -- >> exactly right. >> -- is george zimmerman's. credibility is everything. >> that's exactly -- >> if this gets to a jury trial, mark, this can be brought in? this would definitely be brought in? >> i think sunny brings up a brilliant point. i apologize for agreeing with her. >> thank you, mark. >> i know. it's friday. i'm looking forward to the weekend, sunny. the problem here is that it became a lot more likely now that there will be a jury trial. sunny's right. i've been saying for a long time that i thought that he stood a real chance, a significant chance, of getting this case thrown out at the stand your ground hearing. well, what judge is going to want to believe anything that somebody tells him when he's willing to equivocate, that's the uf if he mission here, on the bond hearing. i think it's a lot more likely that this goes to trial and it is likely that a judge lets this in to a trial. the judge will say, look, this guy has been in front of me with the same lawyers, on the same fact pattern that was not true or that i found not to be true. it's not a good day for the defense. >> yeah. we'll leave on a happy note of agreement between you two. mark and sunny. let us know what you think. we're on facebook. follow me on twitter. do you think this hurts george zimmerman's credibility? 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didn't everybody at the white house? >> look, there are predictions made early on where nobody knew how deep the hole was. since that time 4.3 million jobs have been created. i think most people in the white house today and people across the country were disappointed to see the numbers today. of course they wanted them to be better. that's why the president has called for more steps and for congress to move forward on more steps to help the economy continue moving forward. >> mary, the obama campaign is focusing on mitt romney's record of job creation as governor of massachusetts. unemployment did drop from 5 something to 4.7% under his term. as every democrat will tell you, particularly your husband mentioned on this show, we're 47th in job creation. is that enough to blubt the bad economic numbers we're seeing? >> anderson, you don't need to listen to everything james carvill says. i think every american would reveer having a 4.7% growth. we have had over 40 months of over 8% unemployment and you can talk about jobs created, but if the labor force participation was today as it was when obama took office, we'd have over 10%, some say as high as 50% unemployment. people are dropping out of the work force. they're going to be looking at this president's record. they'll take into account what he says about rommy, but that also undermines a very big positive for this president. he was going to be transformational. he was going to be post partisan. now he's the most partisan. that hurts him with independents. they don't like what he has to do to take out romney. >> jen, to mary's point, the obama campaign spent the first part of the week focusing on bahne. now they're looking at his record of governor of massachusetts. did the bein strategy not work? >> no. they weren't attacking private equity. that's an industry where it's important. there are supporters who work in prooif private equity. what the campaign will say is that mitt romney is using his experience at bein as evidence that he's a job creator, yet that role he had there was to make money for investors, not to create jobs. nobody in the private industry says it was to create jobs. >> mary, in our cnn poll today, the newest poll, voters split about -- pretty evenly about which candidate could actually manage the economy best. but if you look at the one area there was some real distance between the two. by almost 20 points voters think obama can understand their problems more likely than romney. is that a concern? >> it would be a concern that that question made any sense whatsoever. what this pole shows, as is consistent with what previous poles and all the other poles if you have a real clear politics show, is that on the number one issue, the economy, 2/3 of americans say that under obama's watch their personal circumstances either haven't improved or are worse and greater than 2/3 say they expect them to continue being worse into the future. we got a 70% wrong track. that's all on obama. they don't like. it's discordant for them to say, jen does this, she does a good be job at what she was supposed to do. it was worse than we thought, we had these head winds, it was bush, it was japan, all of this. reagan didn't do that. w bush didn't do that. jack kennedy didn't do that. that undercuts his leadership. they ought to just do what -- their only hope, really. they think their only hope is to try to destroy romney. their hope would be, although they would lose this way, this is our philos