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CNNW Erin Burnett OutFront March 24, 2012



it was three months ago when corzine told members of congress this. >> i never directed anyone at mf global to misuse customer funds. i never intended to. as far as i'm concerned, i never gave instructions that anybody could misconstrue. >> well, how damming is the e-mail we have? we have a criminal defense lawyer. he's with us tonight. looks like $200 million in a segregated customer account, that got put into another account. treasurer of mf global, says, this was per jc -- jon corzine's direct instructions. >> well, we don't know if they were client moneys that corzine knew they were, because the account also contained funds which could have been transferred out properly. and apparently corzine and the fund never represented that they were client funds. >> so do you think there's room to dance around here? >> it looks bad at first blush, but it's not open and shut. >> and they continue to investigate this. >> that's the bigger problem if he lied previously to congress, he's in a whole heap of trouble, more than anything he would have done in terms of the underlying conduct. >> what is your take on where this eventually goes? there's been a lot of talk, biggest bankruptcy since lehman brothers, no financial executive or anyone linked to the financial crisis has gone to jail. including countryside's ceo. charges dropped. >> he could be scapegoated but i think he'll wiggle it out of it. >> is this good news for him? >> if this is the smoking gun, the smoke is hazy. >> thank you very much, mark, appreciate it. this investigate -- the investigation continues. the other breaking news story, literally at this moment, supporters are gathering for a candlelight in sanford, florida, for trayvon martin. the vigil is beginning as we speak. martin's family and supporters continuing to demand the arrest of neighborhood watchman george zimmerman. zimmerman claims he shot the teen in self-defense. now, the teen's death has sparked rallies across the country and for the first time today, president obama weighed in. >> well, my message is to the parents of trayvon martin. if i had a son he'd look like trayvon. and, you know, i think they are right to expect that all of us as americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and that we're going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened. >> we're also learning tonight that 28-year-old george zimmerman has hired a defense attorney. craig sonner is his name and he says zimmerman in an undisclosed location for his safety, he's under a lot of stress but that he's cooperating with the police. now let's go to john zarrella who is in sanford for the latest. so tell us what's happening there. obviously, as dusk descends. >> it is now getting started. people are still gathering here outside the chapel where this candlelight vigil is just getting started. and the idea tonight is to put a cap on a week of activities in this community. and to honor the memory of trayvon martin. with the lighting of candles here during this one-hour ceremony. you know, last night, a very large crowd, 7,000 to 10,000 people. there have been marches and demonstrations all across the country. dozens of high schools, walkouts during the past two days here in florida by students showing support. another rally planned on monday in atlanta. and of course another big event here on monday at the city council meeting. march planned to that city council meeting by people here in the community and then they expect their voices will be heard monday at that meeting. but, you know, this has been a very long week here. and you get the sense, erin, that people here are emotionally drained. if not in many respects physically drained. erin? >> thank you very much, john. obviously hard to hear there as it ramps up. we'll keep you posted on how many people come and how that vigil in sanford, florida, is tonight. you heard president obama weigh into the case. that was just this morning. now, later today the republican candidates followed suit. >> it's chilling to hear what happened, and of course, you know, the fact that law enforcement didn't immediately go after and prosecute this case is another chilling example of, you know, obviously horrible decisions made by people in this process. >> i have faith that the american system of justice will in fact work and that this is why you have a balance between the police and the district attorney. the district attorney has the ability to step in and say, wait a second, let's look at this again. they're clearly doing that. the police chief himself has been suspended. and i think that americans can recognize while this is a strategy d tragedy, and it is a tragedy, we'll relentlessly seek justice. >> mitt romney did not comment obviously on camera, but he did release a written statement saying, quote, what happened to trayvon martin is a tragedy. there needs to be a thorough investigation that reassures the public that justice is carried out with impartially and integrity. our political panel is here, john avlon, and jamal simmons. did the president go far enough, did he go too far or did he get it right? >> i think he walked the right line. he was speaking as a parent, reminding everyone of the commonality that all parents should feel when a child -- a teenager is murdered and i think he hit the right tone. >> and you were tweeting that the gop candidates were followers. because the president came out first. >> not just because the president came out first. i have been tweeting and facebooking about this all week, that romney and santorum on the republican side hadn't come out and said anything. three days ago, sam youngman from the hill asked mitt romney on the rope line for a statement on this and mitt romney walked away and wouldn't say anything. today he didn't say anything on camera. he put it out on a statement. and the governor of florida asked for a task force today. i'm just wondering whether or not the republicans decided to sit back and let the republican governor of florida lead on this before they said something. i think if they want to be leaders they should have said something earlier than today. >> ryan? >> my sense is there's a remarkable consensus. you have the republican governor of florida, we may need to revisit the laws surrounding this incident. and you have the co-author of the stand your ground saying the so thing. you have the major republican candidates saying this is a profound tragedy. you have the senate majority leader saying the same thing and you have a huge outpouring of sympathy and deep concern and so i've got to say saying that, well, you know, this person came first, that person came first that doesn't seen, you know, to be the key message here. the key message seems to be that everyone is deeply troubled. the other thing i want to say is this. there are a lot of people in this country who don't feel as if the criminal justice system is truly legitimate. that it actually gives them equal justice and they feel left out and disenfranchised so init was very valuable not only for the president, but for the candidates do say we believe this system going to work. we hope it works. >> it was bipartisan. go ahead. >> on that point, five days ago, the justice department initiated the investigation into this. the republicans running for president would have had to have made a decision about whether to get the doj or fbi involved in this. >> this happened in late february. and it's bubbled up in a way that was very unpredictable, that was driven by social media and it's not the same kind of thing -- >> but mitt romney could have stepped up a stand tried to make a mark and said, i would have called for a department of justice investigation for that. >> it's fundamentally different from the job of a presidential candidate. it's absolutely twu that the -- true that the attorney general should pay attention to incidents like this. but the truth is to hold every candidate in every race accountable i don't know if that makes a lot of sense. >> john? >> one of the remarkable things about the case is it's crested. here's a murder that occurred last month and this has grown in public awareness and outrage and we can maybe depolarize the conversation. i think it's incumbent upon republican candidates in particular to try to add to that. they did that today. some eloquently. some less. >> let me make this a little more personal. when the president said if he had a son, it would look like trayvon. obviously it was a comment about race, jamal. you said it reminded you of something that the president and his wife said in an interview on "60 minutes" in 2007. >> the reality is as a black man, barack can get shot going to the gas station. you can't -- you can't make decisions based on fear and the possibility of what might happen. we just weren't raised that way. >> jamal? >> well, i think -- i brought that up because, you know, some people were criticizing the president for waiting so long before he said something. but there's something in the first family, they know the violence that occurs in communities. they know the pressure of being followed and all those things that happen to black males. when the president came out today and he said that trayvon -- he looks -- if i had a son, he would look like trayvon. it struck such a chord in me this is a real issue and we as a country have to deal with how we face up to this and especially at this moment where we have moved past race on so many issues that people are willing to try to find a way to work together. we still have this lingering problem that exists in the country. >> all right. thank you very much, all three of you. we appreciate it. a jury has decided the fate of a millionaire charged with a deadly dui. it's official. robert bales has been charged with the murder of 17 afghan soldiers. will he face death? 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>> not at all. i mean, what i'm surprised by was the defense. the claim was he ran a stop sign. he had double the legal limit. he then, this kid was in the car and he floated to the bottom of the canal. maybe he could have been saved if somebody called 911. so he fled the scene, and then started drinking, a famous and good lawyer, ray black, said he was in so much pain he started drinking. guess what? he had a bottle of vicodin in the glove compartment of the bentley. if he was in such pain, why not take the vicodin? instead he went drinking. prosecutor said he was drinking all night and the jury believed the prosecutor. >> facing 30 years in prison. do you think he'll get that? >> i don't think he'll get 30 years but i think he's going to get a tough, high sentence, because -- >> what is tough and high? >> i would say, not 30 years but could be 15. could be 20. >> okay. >> it's going to be a substantial sentence, because he took the stand and he testified, and i think the judge is going to think he perjured himself under oath. the jury didn't believe this testimony. and i think there's an element of disrespect almost given to the victim of this by somebody saying that, by telling such a story that the jury so utterly rejected. >> refuted. >> yes. >> then the adopting the girlfriend. a criminal case. a verdict, a civil case, where a lot of money could be at stake. he was a wealthy man. the reason he adopted the girlfriend to put the money in her name. will that protect the assets in a case like this? >> it's complicated. number one a rumor that the case is secretly settled. a sealed settlement. maybe -- this makes no difference whatsoever. but the claim is that this is money that was in a trust that would have been protected from attachment anyway. when he transferred it to his girlfriend, he wasn't really protecting the money. it was totally protected in when the names of his natural children. so i don't -- that's the press on this. >> the motivation for adopting the girlfriend may have been different? at least money was tasteful -- understandable. why else adopt your girlfriend? >> oh, the money's involved. what he's doing is she has the ability to control as much as possibility $100 million through the girlfriend. it doesn't mean that the people who were suing can now not get the money, but it does mean he has control over it. he has a motive to adopt a girlfriend. >> tragic story. a student who was killed. paul will stay with us. we have another case. we have another fascinating and strange case. an american woman living in israel. she had in vitro fertilization and it affected her children's citizenship. we're not kidding. told by the u.s. consul in israel if she wanted her babies to have u.s. passports she must prove they have dna from an american. we spoke to her about the story. >> that's baby maya. >> reporter: when she gave birth to her beautiful twins, she couldn't have been happier. months of fertility treatments paid off. but when this woman of chicago living in israel went to the u.s. consulate to get them passports, she was shocked. >> a guy took all my paperwork, asked all the questions and all of a sudden he said, one minute. and i knew that that meant something. i just had a gut -- >> reporter: what followed was a line of questions she says was offensive and humiliating. >> he brings out this woman and she said over the loud speaker, are those your children. i'm like, i don't understand. of course they're my children. you have their birth certificates, and she said, well, where did the sperm come from? whose eggs are they? and i just -- like, my world stopped. >> reporter: answer, of course, was not what the u.s. authorities needed to hear. the in vitro fertility treatment, like many other women's, involved egg and sperm donation. she's the legal mom. passports were denied. as the law stands, there has to be a biological link between parents and children for them to qualify for a passport. citizenship, in other words, follows the dna. problem is, the law hasn't kept up with advances in reproductive technology. and that means children like maya and sierra with an american mother have been cut out. but now the family's case is drawing media attention amid growing calls for u.s. law to be changed. it could affect many other families, too. >> what makes a parent? is it the biological link or everything else that goes around it? the law needs to change to keep up with the life and fortunately, unfortunately, this is life today. >> reporter: and as is pointed out, children adopted by americans from abroad already get u.s. citizenship. so why not hers? matthew chance, cnn, tel aviv. paul callen joins me again. all right. this story in a sense sounds bizarre. this woman has these children. they were in her stomach. she gave birth to them. they are her children. why is this happening? >> it does sound bizarre on the face of it. if you look at the immigration laws of the united states, they're very, very complicated. most people think it's in the u.s. constitution. right? if you're the son of an american citizen, daughter of an american citizen, you're an american citizen. they think the constitution says that. in fact, the constitution only talks about the fact that you have to be an american citizen to become president. of course, we had the whole birther controversy with president obama. in fact, congress enacts these statutes and they're very complicated, and they haven't kept up with in vitro fertilization. so now you have foreign sperm for an egg implanted in american citizen living in israel, and you know what they're saying? it's not american dna. so it's not an american citizen. well what is american dna? we all come from someplace else. right? >> yes. i'm curious what are the rules for adoption? because adopted children are adopted without american sperm or egg, they come to the united states and they become citizens. right? >> they become citizens, but only citizens after a lengthy period of time. they come over as non-citizens, and if they remain in the country for an extensive period of time, and their parents remain in the united states, they apply to become naturalized american citizens, and they become naturalized american citizen, and this israeli mother, israeli-american mother, dual citizenship, could bring this child to the united states and probably go through that procedure and get naturalized. >> but will the rule change now for in vitro fertilization? >> i think it will. it hasn't kept up with technology. we've got all the new procedures. single mothers giving birth under these conditions and it's time for congress to step up to the plate and get with the modern technology. so i think we'll is see changes here. >> let's hope we do. doesn't make sense otherwise in this case. paul callen, thank you. two years ago today the controversial health care bill known to critics as obama care became the law of the land. on monday. is facing its toughest challenge. before the supreme court a challenge the president embraced. at the heart of the matter is whether it is constitutional to force every person in this country to buy insurance or face penalties if they don't. and health care is a hot ticket. as hot as the new ipad or seeing "hunger games." i'm slightly exaggerating, because tickets to watch the oral arguments are in such demand there are a few people waiting in line. i know that's not an ipad line. all right. but it's really rare to have people waiting to go to a supreme court case. the legislation is complicated. there is a lot of rhetoric from both parties about what it does and doesn't do. so we actually wanted to get to the bottom line. some facts to this rather emotional debate. who does the bill help and who does it hurt? lizzy o'leary put a storybook spin on those questions. >> reporter: meet jack and jill. they're married with two kids and together make $49,000 a year. about the middle american income. but like 15 million people with similar incomes, they don't have health insurance. not good if you're worried about falling down a hill. under the new law, jack and jill are winners. they can buy private insurance from what's calmed an exchange starting in two years. the idea is that lots of people buying at the same time would ge

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