uncertainty. what are your sources telling you, how hard is it to break through? we had rumors before, what is fact and rumor? >> reporter: clear tough, especially because the debate over hosni mubarak's health has constantly been coming up in the course of thepast year and a half since he was ousted from power, similar protests in tahrir square, warnings that his health was deteriorating, and this as he was being brought on charges of corruption, as an accomplice to the deaths of hundreds of protesters in january and february of 2011. he was found guilty on most charges and acquitted on corruption charges. we have this middle east news agency report saying that he was clinically dead, denied by supreme council of armed forces which is arguing he is in critical condition now, but that his health is deteriorating, and that is overshadowing the political struggle under way of the seismic political changes we've seen. with historic presidential elections last weekend taking place, and at the same time a naked power grab by the military council that assumed control of the country after mubarak stepped down a year and a half ago that has pledged to hand over authority to an elected civilian government, but instead has overseen the dissolution of recently elected parliament, two days before presidential elections, and assumed legislative powers and additional presidential powers, and that has been called a soft coup by the supporters of the muslim brotherhood candidate who have gathered by the tens of thousands tonight. their numbers are thinning now to celebrate what they claim is the victory of their candidate in last weekend's presidential elections and to denounce the recent power grab by the ruling military council. it is a complicated mess and shows that after hosni mubarak stepped down and whatever his health conditions are, egypt's transition is still as rocky and confusing as ever. john? >> ivan, as we try to sort this out, there's obviously som of health emergency, whether he is clinically dead or in dire situation, trying to sort that out, it begs this question. you mention the military council has essentially made clear in recent days we are in charge and we plan on keeping major influence. that is the old mubarak guard, most of those generals. is there any indication while he has been on trial, while we know his health has been a question mark, is hosni mubarak in any way still pulling any levers of power in egypt? >> reporter: you know, i would argue that he was made the fall guy, given a way basically, he was placed on trial while many of the former elements of the regime are still very much in place, and while there was celebration when mubarak was convicted as an accomplice to the deaths of hundreds of protesters earlier this month, many senior aides were implicated in that were acquitted, and that was greeted with fury by egyptian revolutionaries, by the relatives of the hundreds of people who were killed, and that was shown as evidence to them that very little had changed at the top. now you have had just now arguably the first free and fair elections, the first time egyptians have ever in thousands of years gone to the polls to elect their own leader, their own president, and it wasn't clear who was going to win the election, but before the results were even counted, before the official results were even made, the supreme council of the armed forces had basically seized power, a lot of presidential and legislative powers before the victor was even declared. that has thrown the muslim brotherhood into a very difficult position. their candidate has been told that if he wins, he has to take an oath of office from the constitutional court, the same court that last thursday declared the muslim brotherhood dominated parliament null and void. that is a poison chalice he has to drink from if he has won the election. the crowd here was chanting the muslim brotherhood candidate's name through the evening. >> and i want to end on that, going back to the crowd. these pictures of reminiscent of arab spring, major moment in cairo that led to mubarak having to step down and aside. on the ground today there, was there any reaction to this report and how big an influence, any love lost be the words there in tahrir square for hosni mubarak. >> reporter: no love lost, of course rgs and part of this gathering was for the candidate who declared himself president, even though official results aren't out yet. part of what they did is to try to integrate himself with the idea of that revolution of january and february, 2011 that caught the eyes of the world and that helped drive hosni mubarak out of power after nearly 30 years as the head of state here. they were trying to regain some of that revolutionary fervor and credibility. he has been cast away by some of the same tahrir square revolutionaries that were calling for democracy. there was a boycott movement during the course of this presidential election, and there were also millions of people who voted against him who voted in fact for hosni mubarak's handpicked prime minister. many of them voted for him on the grounds that they were tired of these types of protests, tired of economic hardship and downturn that egypt suffered since mubarak stepped down. they were voting for shafiq, many of them because they saw him as a source of stability and of course his campaign is still arguing that they, in fact, won the election. so there are many questions in the air right now in egypt. is the former dictator alive or dead? who is the president of this country, and whoever is elected, will he have any power or is it going to be the shadowing army generals still running the show as some would argue they have done for decades in this country, john. >> ivan watson tracking the breaking news there, tens of thousands in tahrir square. i want to take you to capitol hill, eric holder just met with chairman of the house committee that's threatening to hold the attorney general in contempt of congress. let's listen. >> to do that at this point, i hope he will change his mind. >> freshman leadership to head this off? >> i don't want to answer that question. [ inaudible ] >> isn't that what you're asking him to do? >> not necessarily. we made an offer that we will make these things available on the condition that subpoena would be considered resolved, and to the extent other questions may be generated as a result of turning over documents, we are prepared to answer questions. >> thank you. >> clearly what needs to be done to break the log jam. >> you see the attorney general of the united states there walking away from reporters. just had a meeting with darrell issa, chairman of the house reform and oversite. he is the top law enforcement officer of the united states, under threat of contempt citation because republican lawmakers say he has not done enough. they accuse him of stonewalling investigation into a program called fast and furious. that was a program set up initially to track gun sales to mexican drug cartels. instead, the program went awry. u.s. guns went to the cartels, one found at the slaying of a u.s. border patrol agent. republicans on that committee and republican house now prepared to cite him to vote, a contempt citation. you heard the attorney general saying he came to capitol hill to see if he could reach compromise with darrell issa, said he was unable to do that. there were offers on the table, but unable to at this point. we will go back to that story as well. there are conflicting reports out of cairo tonight about the health of the former president, hosni mubarak. he stepped down more than a year ago because of demonstrations in tahrir square, demanding change, the most dramatic moment of the arab spring, more than 30 year ruler of egypt stepping aside. bring in international anchor, when you hear the conflicting reports, middle east news agency says he is declared clinically dead, a general a member of the military council telling cnn no, he has a health scare, but is in critical condition, not clinically dead. my question to you as someone that knows the region, is this a case where you just have honest conflicting information or do people involved here have agendas that led to the -- >> it is a situation that's so confusing and so chaotic in a country like egypt, you are going to have people making statements. some accused perhaps those closest to hosni mubarak to exaggerate his health problems so he would be moved from prison to a curby hospital suite. but we understand from several sources it seems as though his health situation really is pretty dire. the question is, is he clinically dead, is he really on death's door, did he have a stroke, did he have a heart attack, is he in a coma now, which is another report we're receiving. john, when i look at the situation in egypt now, there was nothing two years ago more stable than an arab dictatorship. you have one winner one day, next day it is another winner, third day both claim victory. one day hosni mubarak is alive, the next he is perhaps clinically dead, 20 minutes later, someone denies it. one day a parliament democrat cli elected, the next it is not. there's confusion and so much uncertainty in this country. and why does it matter? because egypt is a very important country in the region. it is the most populous country. what happens there sets precedence for the rest of the region and whether or not other countries will go down their own road to what they hope will be a more democratic open system, john. >> hala, many may view it as a cold question, i don't mean it to be heartless question, but my question in this case, hosni mubarak, when you get these reports, he was called the pharaoh, he ruled more than 30 years since the anwar sadat assassination. in terms of the future political course his country will take, does it matter whether he is dead or alive? >> some might call that a cold question, it is a good question though. and i think the answer to that question is what did he represent symbol cli that people will feel is gone when he is gone. i think not much. you have to remember, hosni mubarak was a military man that traded in his uniform for a suit. but not just him, his predecessor, anwar sadat traded in his uniform for a suit. so what are we going to see in egypt? will it be more military men in uniform holding on to power which is the concern many have after they issued this declaration, addendum to the constitution, grabbing more power, or will eventually some form of democracy end up settling in to egypt? i think that's going to be the answer to the question of whether or not his death matters. it's more a symbolic moving on rather than really this one dictator that has been the leader of this country or was up until february of 2011. for most egyptians, most of their lives, john. >> mubarak used to mean stability in the region. she will continue to work her sources, correspondents in cairo and around the world working theirs as well. more on this developing news. we will get more details of the attorney general's meeting on capitol hill just breaking up. and next, dramatic developments in the jerry sandusky trial. sandusky's wife tells the jury she never saw any sexual abuse, but says one of her husband's accusers, quote, had his problems. there are a lot of warning lights and sounds vying for your attention. so we invented a warning you can feel. introducing the all-new cadillac xts. available with a patented safety alert seat. when there's danger you might not see, you're warned by a pulse in the seat. it's technology you won't find in a mercedes e-class. the all-new cadillac xts has arrived, and it's bringing the future forward. ♪ [ acou[ sighs ]ar: slow ] [ announcer ] all work and no play... will make brady miss his favorite part of the day. ♪ [ upbeat ] [ barking ] [ whines ] that's why there's beneful playful life, made with energy-packed wholesome grains... and real beef and egg. to help you put more play in your day. beneful. play. it's good for you. cuban cajun raw seafood pizza parlor french fondue tex-mex fro-yo tapas puck chinese takeout taco truck free range chicken pancake stack baked alaska 5% cashback. signup for 5% cashback at restaurants through june. it pays to discover. how did the nba become the hottest league on the planet? 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and she said i don't know. john, what we're waiting to find out now is whether jerry sandusky will take the stand before the defense wraps its case. his defense attorneys tell us they haven't made the final call just yet. john? >> dramatic call to make. susan candiotti, thank you. wendy murphy, you heard her saying stay tuned. do you think, you're a former prosecutor. if you were jerry sandusky's lawyer, would you let him get on the stand? >> not unless i wanted to be sued for malpractice after the fact. i don't mean to laugh about it. i offered to eat my shoe to prove how strongly i feel he won't take the stand. it would be a disaster. among other things, the prosecution could go over each victim's testimony for hours, if not days. that's not good for the defense, period. so i don't see that happening. i think dottie in the sense is a theatrical expression of jerry, in a sense, the defense is trying to persuade the jury she's a seemingly nice woman, he can't be that dangerous, a woman like her wouldn't be married to a guy like that. and you know, i think it doesn't matter. jury expects a wife to lie for her husband, not sure she watched or knew about abuse. why would he do it in front of her, she's going to life for him, she's the wife. that's why the prosecution didn't cross examine her which was in sulting to the defense, powerful to the jury. we don't want to cross examine her, she didn't make a dent in our case. >> you say didn't make a dent in our case. there's a risk you pass an opportunity? 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