>> the music of duran duran was the soundtrack of the '80s. now they're back and they say they're better than ever. all the sex, drugs, and rock and roll you could possibly wish for. >> i got a phone call, and they said you've got 15 minutes to get out of here. i said 15 minutes? he said yeah, 15 minutes, pack your bags and get out of the room. >> taking your things out of a 15-story hotel. you're not a proper rock star. >> this is "piers morgan tonight." i can't decide what tie to wear for this interview. >> well, they're all really nice. >> you know what? i should go and ask her. she's a supermodel, after all. she should know. heidi, how are you? >> piers. >> nice to see you. >> nice to see you. >> now, i've got a slight sartorial issue i'd like you to resolve. >> yes. >> what tie should i wear for our interview? >> can you wear none? i don't really like any of them. >> really? >> yeah. you look hot like that. i would actually open one more button. let me see. you're kind of like a bear that way. >> wow. like a bear. >> just go like this. yeah, you're a little bit hairy right there. >> really? >> yeah. >> well, you are heidi klum. >> just go like that. >> what heidi wants heidi will get. >> that's what my husband says. >> really? >> happy wife, happy life. >> why don't we leave your husband out of this for the time being? >> come on, let's do it. >> like a bear. she has one of the most recognizable faces in the world. it would be hard to find many people who haven't heard of or at least seen heidi klum. she's a model turned mogul, a tv superstar, a mother of four, and she's my guest, and she has made me derobe for this interview. >> yes. and you look good. >> you're quite bossy, aren't you? >> i am. >> do you always get your own way? >> but you see you did it. >> i'm not sure if it's a good idea. it might be career wrecking. i feel suddenly naked without the tie. i feel a bit like simon cowell sitting here. >> no, you look good. >> really? >> yeah. >> that's good enough for me. >> but i like to be bossy. my husband says it all the time. >> seal's a big lad. you boss him around? >> he's big but he's very gentle. and you need to have a bossy wife in the house to get things done. >> do you feel lucky to have met seal? >> of course. >> because it felt like the pair of you had been sort of searching for each other and then you collided and you have this extraordinary life with hundreds of children and fabulously successful careers? >> four. we have four. >> you have four -- >> feels like 100 sometimes with the speed, the way they go. yeah, we did find each other, in a hotel lobby in new york city, and it was lined of like two magnets who went like this. >> was it really? >> yeah. >> talk me through -- i like this. talk me through this moment. what were you both doing there? >> i was just visiting a friend. and we were sitting in the hotel lobby. and it was a mutual friend of ours. and my husband came into the hotel after he just went to the gym, and he was wearing hot little bicycle shorts. and he was very sweaty. and i was like, oh, hello. >> you knew him, right? >> i hadn't met him before. but obviously i knew his music, yeah. >> and did he know you? >> no. >> so what happened next? >> i told him to sit down, have a pizza with us. >> like that? >> and he said no, i have to go and take a shower. and i'm like no, i think you should really sit down and have a pizza with us. and he's like no, i really have to go take a shower. i said okay, then take a shower and come back. and he did. >> you really are bossy. you were ordering him to join you in his sweaty bicycle shorts. >> but see, what would have happened? i would have said come sit down and then he would have said i have to go take a shower and then our ways would have -- >> so he came back down. what happens then? >> what happens then? then we just chatted. we sat and chatted and ate a pizza and exchanged numbers. and then -- >> and he hasn't got a clue you're heidi klum the supermodel? >> no. >> he doesn't know, seriously? >> no. i don't think he knew what i was doing. i wasn't all that dolled up and stuff. no. >> so what happens then? >> then we met each other again. but always with friends. we saw each other again. we went to dinners. or it was fashion week. we went to like a fashion event at night. and then we went to another dinner. and then we were kind of sitting at this table with a lot of different people. and you know, our hands kind of met under the table. by accident. and you know how normally when that would happen you would just do a jerk reaction and go the other way -- >> no, it doesn't happen -- >> but then we didn't do that. >> it was pretty good? >> it went like this and normally we'd go and we just went like this. no one saw it. and we were just sitting there under the table holding hands. >> and who gripped who? >> we both gripped each other. >> and what were you thinking in that second? >> i got really hot. >> did you think this is the guy? >> i was like, oh, wow. yeah. >> had you kissed lots of frogs to get to this point? >> yes. >> and you were thinking i can't find the right guy? like so many supermodels. there's no one out there who can deal with me because supermodels are so scary. >> i'm not quite that difficult. even though maybe i'm a little bit bossy. but you know, in order to get things done you do have to be a little bit bossy sometimes or tell people what you really want. otherwise, things just don't get done. do they? >> so you squeeze hands, and then you get married. how does he propose? i'd imagine it would be incredibly romantic with seal. >> it was. i mean, it was probably one of the most amazing engagements. like when i hear other people, how they got engaged. i mean, my husband, we were in whistler, and he rented a helicopter. he had an igloo built on top of this mountain. and -- >> he had an igloo built on a mountain? >> yeah. he did. like a full on igloo with a bed inside with pillows and blankets and candles and rose petals. >> oh, my god. >> it was full on. >> and then what happens in you get helicoptered to the igloo. >> he knew that i'm not into flying. i'm quite scared of flying. and especially helicopters, i don't like them at all. and as soon as i saw the helicopter i'm like what are you doing? you know i don't like this. but then i was like there must be something really good on the other end of this ride. why is he doing this to me? and it was. >> so talk me through the proposal. >> so then we hop into the helicopter, and i cried because when i get scared i cry. you know. and it's all like chopping in the wind. and i'm like, why are you making me do this? this is terrible. and then we get there, we hop off. and then the helicopter leaves. and there we are in the middle of nowhere. it was beautiful. and then he had his guitar with him. and he sang a song for me. and he went down on his knee -- >> wait, what was the song? >> he just made something up. it never came out. it was not something that -- >> seal is on bended knee in an igloo on top of a mountain sing a special song to you. >> yeah, he did. >> how could any woman resist this? >> exactly. >> and what were his exact words of proposal? >> "do you want to marry me?" >> what did you say? >> i said yes. >> what an amazing story. >> yeah, it was beautiful. and then we went in the igloo. you know? >> and then what happened? >> and then nine months later henry was born. >> no. >> yeah. >> you should have called him igloo. >> no. we called him henry -- >> that's what the beckhams would have done. >> yeah, that's true. no, because one of seal's name is henry, and i always loved that name. actually, his parents, and his brothers and sisters, they all call him henry. but here in america they call him seal. and that has become like his name, i guess. but i always loved henry. and i said if we have a boy i want to call him henry. >> and how have you managed to sustain such a happy relationship? because i've seen you together and you are incredibly happy together. in two businesses which are notorious for their lack of longevity in relationships. >> i just think because we love each other. we have fun with each other. we respect each other. i let him do his thing. even though that's hard for me sometimes. because i'm like i'm not sure if i like that song. are you sure? and then i have to zip it up sometimes. and you learn that the years that you are together, i learned how you have to like let him do his creative thing because i am quite bossy in my understand. so sometimes i say too many things and i learned to kind of hold back. so i let him do his thing. he lets me do my thing. and you know, we spend a lot of time together. and with four children we're very family-oriented. we do a lot of things together. >> how do you be a mother to four children with everything else you do? >> you know, i don't know how that happened. we always had one baby at a time. i know that sounds kind of weird. but we never thought, oh, we're going to have four children one day. you know, we had leni and then we had henry, and then we always looked around the table and we were like, we're still not complete. and then there came johan. and then we thought, you know, we're still not complete. and it would be so nice to have one more girl. and we just -- then came lou three years later. >> are there any more planned? >> no, that's it. >> that's it. >> that's it. but it always kind of worked. i always juggled all the different things in my life. and i'm very creative. and i love doing more things than just modeling. that's how i kind of fell into all these different ventures. because i love being creative. and it always worked with having children. and so i kind of juggled it all. >> let's take a look at the rather steamy video you made with your husband. >> super steamy. >> it was super steamy. ♪ i'm a heart keeper ♪ 3:21:00 a.m. ♪ she will be here ♪ oh, yes, she will ♪ and i belong to you >> that was called "secret." >> you should do that with your wife. >> i wouldn't mind, actually. i wouldn't mind making a steamy video. i'm not sure there would be quite the same appeal to the wider public that there is with you and seal taking your clothes off. >> well, you can just do it for the two of you. >> do you like working with him? >> i do. i mean, he was very shy. see, i'm used to rolling around with not much on doing victoria's secret -- >> you don't seem very shy to me. >> i'm not. and even today if i go to a beach somewhere i'm not all covered up. i've always been very free. that's how i grew up with my parents. so for me it was not hard being in a studio with cameramen and filming you. but my husband was quite shy. he was like okay, who really needs to be here. the cameraman in who else really needs to be here? everyone else, out. he was quite shy about it. >> i want to take a little break and come back and talk to you about how a nice little girl from a little place in germany became this runway supermodel superstar. how did this happen? >> what makes you think that i was a nice little girl? ♪ [ male announcer ] we're not employers or employees. not white collar or blue collar or no collars. we are business in america. and every day we awake to the same challenges. but at prudential we're helping companies everywhere find new solutions to manage risk, capital and employee benefits, so american business can get on with business. ♪ will be giving awayss can passafree copiesness. of the alcoholism & addiction cure. to get yours, go to ssagesmalibubook.com. it's pathetic. >> it is kind of pathetic. >> i know. >> how is this possible? how do you keep this skinny figure that you have? >> i don't. i walk a lot. a lot. and i do a lot of stair climbing. >> that's you on your hit show "project runway." did you ever imagine when you started it would be nine seasons? >> no way. no, you just don't when you get into something like that. you know, when we first created "project runway," it was harvey weinstein, desiree gruber, my publicist for the last 15 years, and myself. and we just shopped it around. we went to all these different networks and tried to explain to them what we wanted to do, a show about fashion. and everyone was like, well, why is that interesting? why would we want to watch how people make clothes? but you know, i love fashion, and i'm in the industry for 18 years now, and i'm like because it's so cool how they come up with new things all the time. and then finally we did find a network, and we were on the air, and then it was really a word of mouth. you know, because we weren't having a big budget, hair and makeup and stylists and this and that. they would do me in the morning and then would leave me high and dry. would be like shiny and messed up by the end of the day. no one cared. but then we got bigger and bigger and bigger because people loved it. >> it's a hugely successful show. people love it. >> it's really about talent. it's really about talent. and i think people admire those designers when they see what they can -- >> you're wearing actually a dress from this season. >> i am. this is a dress from anya. >> it's a beautiful dress. >> yeah. she's a great designer. and she just learned how to sew four months before she came on the show. and i really fought for her. >> that is amazing, to be able to design something that good with that little experience. >> yeah. no, because that just tells you you don't have to necessarily go to school and learn everything from -- you know, from scratch. if you're talented, you can really do anything. and if your heart is at the right place and you have the passion for it, you can go for it and do it. >> well, your heart began in the small town of bergisch gladbach in germany. did i pronounce that right? >> yeah, this is super. >> as a young girl did you dream of being a model? >> no, not at all. i didn't even know that was a job, to be honest. i wanted to be aw fashion designer. i went to school and i went for 13 years, and after that i would have gone to dusseldorf and i would have done the design school. and then i entered a competition. i literally out of a fashion magazine cut out a coupon with my girlfriends, sent some random photos in that she took of me, entered this competition, and it went on for six months. it was a model search. you know, face '92 it was. and then i won that by pure luck. it was like winning the lottery. >> it was. you went on to become this incredibly successful catwalk model, magazine cover star, everything. victoria's secret. there was nothing you didn't do. you conquered the world of modeling, didn't you? >> a little bit. i mean, i can't say no, i didn't -- i mean, i've done hundreds of magazine covers, and i got to work with some of the greatest -- >> what was the most exciting moment for you? >> every one, and it still is. because every one is a little step, again. you know, you can't say victoria's secret was the biggest thing because then there was "sports illustrated" and that was huge. and then i did a "mirabella" cover that was awesome. and then i did "self." everything was because everything put you out there again. because you can't just do one thing like wanted this television show and then you're done, you're laid back. it just doesn't work like that. everything is just as important as the thing before. >> karl lagerfeld said something supremely bitchy about you a couple years ago. he said, "heidi's no runway model, these too heavy and has too big a bust and she always grins so stupidly." >> which is probably true. >> that's one of the worst things i've ever read and completely ridiculous. >> i am not a runway model. i never have been. and i never did all the big fashion shows. i was always too heavy, too curvy. my boobs at the time, before having four children, i was too curvy, i would not fit in the clothes. and i was too short and just not thin enough. so that's true. >> not thin enough and too short? >> for this industry, yeah. because designers such as him, they want the girls to be a certain weight, height -- >> i think he's talking absolute claptrap, old karl, and also it's dangerous sort of nonsense he's spouting, isn't it? he's making young women think they look at you and they should think you're all these things, and it's ridiculous. >> i definitely agree with some of it. i did not want to starve myself and get ill and do all of these things that are expected, you know, for you to fit into that. and so i just didn't. i thought, i'm just going to find my own way, or i don't. if i don't, i go back to germany and i do something else. you know? >> i mean, there is -- >> i also liked food too much is the problem. >> good for you. i hate the whole size zero thing. and most men that i know hate it too. >> but i don't really understand size zero. how is that possible? zero means nothing. so -- >> but it's a kind of almost skeletal look that became so popular in the '90s. >> right. >> that the only way a woman should be portrayed in a magazine is to be ludicrously skinny. which i just think is really dangerous. >> i think to be thin or too skinny that's like two different things. i do like to be fit. you know, i feel better when i'm fit. ike i don't think i'm skinny, but i'm fit. i work out. i eat super healthy. our children eat super healthy. and i feel better about that than being overweight. >> you also look relatively natural. >> thanks. >> any scalpel, any stage? >> no. >> would you ever? >> i mean, i don't want to say never. you know, i don't know, who knows, 20 years down the -- >> you're even frowning. >> right now -- i know. my mom says i can't do this because i do talk like that a lot. and what are you going to do? i have that from my dad. he has a lot of those lines. >> but i've had lots of models in here who can't frown. it's physically impossible. >> i can't face myself. i can't look in the mirror and look at fake things. i just can't. i'd rather age. >> really? that's interesting. >> i'd rather age. i feel like looking in the mirror when you brush your teeth, yeah, i see lines and then i smile and i see things here and there. but that's just -- you know, you -- that's your journey. you know. i feel like that's part of being okay with getting older, too. >> when you walk around l.a. and you see very beautiful women but they've just desecrated their faces, i find it really sad when i see that. i sort of think why have you done that? who are you doing it for? >> i don't know. i never like to talk bad about people who do it either because whatever makes you feel good is what you should do. >> is it chronic insecurity? is your great gift, if you like, the fact that you're secure in yourself, you're self-confident, you don't need to have -- >> yeah, i am self-confident. i do. i think that we all are not perfect and we have our flaws. and i could run a little bit more, you know, than -- and i do sometimes go through spurts. like in the summer i do like this six-week run and i go really crazy and i run a lot. and then i stop again and i'm like i should really start again. so everyone has their things that they don't love as much. but at the end of the day i'm happy with myself. and that's it. and if i get wrinkles and i get a little bit older, that's fine with me. i'm 38 now. >> we're all relatively happy with how you look, heidi. >> thank you. >> let's have another little break and come back and talk to you about business. >> okay. >> because you're not just a pretty face, are you? you're quite a smart cookie. >> i like business. i like to create things and make things happen. >> you like to make money, don't you? >> that too. don't you? nationwide insurance, talk to me. should i bundle all my policies with nationwide insurance ? watch this. on one hand, you have your home insurance with one company. and on another hand, you have your auto with another. and