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list. she's the host of "the takeaway." peter beiart author of "the crisis of zionism" political writer for "the daily beast" and will cain is a columnist for theblaze.com. nice to have you all. another trayvon martin march this morning, this time of course the defense team for the martin family is hoping to bring some pressure on investigators, not only to arrest george zimmerman as they've continually maintained, they also want to look into the attorney who apparently sort of dismissed the lead investigator's efforts to have george zimmerman charged. >> that's right. it was on the original police reports as manslaughter and supposedly they're alleging it was interfered with and want the department of justice to open a second investigation. they're opening an investigation into the case of trayvon martin's death and they want to open a second one to see if the florida officials interfered. >> it will be interesting to see hate crimes of course are notoriously difficult to prove anyway, but you've heard from lawyers on all sides saying that early on that they thought in this particular case it's going to be more difficult to prove. >> that's because we have so much evidence and yet nobody was there except george zimmerman. in the end it's a he said/she said argument, and therefore it's difficult to prove whether trayvon martin attacked him or didn't. at that point no one really knows. we just have circumstantial evidence. >> the latest is the audio, i guess investigation into who exactly was screaming, a big question remaining in the case. who was it crying for help. could you hear it over 911 when people would call in, could you hear the shrieking on their phone calls. we have a little bit, i want to play it. >> i've heard that now 20 times and every single time it still stuns me. there are different witnesses accounts to what exactly happened. here's how one witness described it to anderson cooper. we've enhanced the voice, disguised it because we're trying to hide the identity of this witness so listen. >> i heard the yell for help, one yell for help and then i heard another as i described excruciating type of yell, didn't even sound like a help, it just sounded so painful. >> zimmerman said he was yelling for help as he was being attacked by martin. according to the original police report, zimmerman said this, "i was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me." a top forensic audio expert has analyzed the 911 tapes for "the orlando sentinel" tom owen with owen forensic services. give us a sense of how you do this analysis. >> soledad, it's done in a manner in which there's a comparison made between a known and unknown voice. in this instance, george zimmerman is a known voice. he identified himself on the 911 call. so we know who that is, and then we have the voice of the person who is screaming, and we consider that the unknown, because we really don't know who that is at this point. >> we've played a couple of times the screaming. i want to play that and then compare it to george zimmerman's voice that we know from the 911 tapes first and i'll ask you a question on the other side of us listening to that. [ yelling ] so i know you were able to sort of compile all that different screaming and put it together into one approximately nine-second-long clip and here is a little bit of george zimmerman from the 911 tape. >> how is it possible to compare two voices when the context is so different. one is shrieking and the other one is speaking almost quietly into the phone? >> well, the difference between the old comparisons where you had to have verbatim speech are the people saying the same thing. >> right. >> and today is the biometric software is able to define three different things, spectographic information, picture information and galsium variation, and how much between the words people speak. the software at use at nsa, cia and fbi is able to do that and do that efficiently with no subjectivity whatsoever being thrown into the mix. that's what this particular software does. >> so from your software, what was your takeaway? >> well, let me just do this for you quickly. we have the tape of zimmerman. we have the tape of the screams. and then we can start the comparison, and basically it's going to do this comparison, if you can see the screen now, and it's going to give me some false rejection rates, some false acceptance rates, and a likelihood ratio, okay. and this gray dot over here designates the very lower end of the scale, which in essence is translated as it's not him. >> meaning what, there must be a percentage, of course that you're determining you don't believe it's george zimmerman. what's that number? >> right, well the number that the if it was george zimmerman, for example, let me just do something else here. let's go back and compare zimmerman with zimmerman, and let's see what that gives us. >> so you're talking about -- >> 99%. >> so speaking voice compared to speaking voice gives you something. so yelling voice to speaking voice, whoever is screaming on the tape, what percentage are you coming up with? >> well, it's 48 likelihood ratio for the screaming voice versus zimmerman. i just wanted to show you even if we take the screaming voice and compare that, just so, you know, you have something to compare it with, and you do the comparison here, this is what we come up with. 99%. >> screaming to screaming. let me ask you a question -- >> the software -- the software is able to delineate the difference between the two voices. that's my point. >> are you brought into a courtroom to do this exact thing with this exact software? >> yes. i've testified at approximately 300 times in 41 different states and not always on voice identification, but the last voice identification was with this software in connecticut, state versus davalieu a murder trial and the 911 call was the focus of the trial. >> 48% likelihood it would be george zimmerman. what is the bar in a courtroom? is it 78%? is it 99%? where do you say for you as the analyzer that it clearly is not the individual you're trying to match it to? what's the number? >> because what would happen is, you would see a green dot like we saw the green dots when we compared zimmerman against zimmerman and the screams against the screams. i don't know if you notice that but right here there was a green dot and it said 99% over here. so if we're comparing zimmerman versus the screams, then we're getting a likelihood ratio of 48%, and a false rejection rate of 12.35%, and a false acceptance rate of 14.9%. those low numbers get translated it's unlikely it is the same person. what the software is telling -- >> yes, what would that number be though? for you to be comfortable to go into a courtroom, what would that number have to be, in the 70s, the 80s? at what point do you get the green dot that says yes, we sort of have a match? >> well, you'd have to get over 60%, and the green dot. the green dot just delineates the software and the filters that are used, the three set of filters that are used in the software. >> quick final question before i let you go. >> the green. >> there's no indication at this point that is the confirmation that that's trayvon martin's voice, is there? >> no. i have nothing to compare it with. if i was, if i had something to compare, then i would be able to tell you whether that's trayvon's voice or not. >> you have reached out or do you intend to reach out to veigh von's family and get an audio clip of him in some way, shape or form and try to match it? >> well, actually the public is doing that. i've received a number of e-mails where people have attempted to reach the family or the police forces as well, or even george zimmerman. i would be happy to do an exemplar of george zimmerman. >> as you know a lot of the conversation that we've had about this 911 call has focused about 2:20 in, where i hear a curse, and then a racial slur. you know what i'm talking about on this? >> on the 911 call? >> yes, if you go about 2:20 in, lots of debate over -- >> right. >> have you investigated that at all? what is your analysis say, can you clarify that so people can hear and decide yes, in fact, that is what i think it is or that it's not what i think it is? >> i could certainly clarify that, but i've not been asked to do that. >> so if i asked to you do that, would you do that? >> i very well may do that. >> how long does it take, like hours or weeks? >> it would take me at least a day or two. >> okay, you know i'd be hugely interested in that, and if you can clarify that and tell me that it is what i think it is or it's not what i think it is, i'd be very interested in knowing what forensic analysis says those words are. mr. tom owen is a forensic consultant. was there a final word you wanted to say before i let you go? >> yes, i'll be happy to do that and maybe i'll see you again. >> i think wednesday is what you've promised me. thank you, sir. appreciate your time. i'm doing my own forensic analysis on what you just said, he's confirmed for tuesday or wednesday morning with us. thank you, mr. owen. appreciate your time this morning. all right, we got a lot to get to on headlines. christine has a look at those. good morning. >> good morning, soledad. a passenger plane crashes during takeoff, killing 31 people on board, including all four crew members. this plane was traveling from an oil-producing town in siberia. officials say air traffic control lost contact with the pilot just after takeoff. the plane burst into flames, broke into pieces. all 12 survivors are in intensive care right now. crews recovered the plane's data recorders. experts from russia, france, canada and britain are investigating now. a dramatic rescue at sea, two injured sailors were plucked from a racing yacht by the u.s. coast guard some 270 miles off the california coast. the yacht was disabled after being hit by a monster wave. the four-person crew was competing in an around the world race on the high seas. the sailors were air lifted to san francisco for medical treatment. pro-democracy leader and nobel laureate aung san suu kyi was claimed a landslide victory for her party in elections for myanmar's parliament. kyi has led the struggle against military rule in that country for two decades. the election marks the country's first steps towards reform. she says she hopes the historic vote will prompt the west to ease sections. nfl players could soon face criminal charges in the case of those bounty hits, where they made money to take out opposing teams' players during games, according to reports this morning that also say the players association has hired lawyers to represent them. commissioner roger goodell is still weighing punishment for players connected to those bounties. he's already suspended saints' head coach sean payton for the season and team's former defensive coordinator gregg williams indefinitely. gm mickey loomis and assistant coach joe vitt were also suspended. the champion in the ncaa tourney will be crowned tonight. kansas and kentucky go head-to-head. kansas pulled a stunning comeback over ohio state saturday to get there and kentucky held off rival louisily to advance. this is coach john calipari's second championship. his first was four years ago when kansas defeated them. kentucky fans starting fires and rioting after the win, some carried out a sofa and set it on fire. the reports police arrested more than two dozen people and thankfully no one was seriously hurt. police are taking some extra steps tonight to prevent a repeat. it might just be the worst movie ever. adam sandler's "jack & jill" made history becoming the first film to sweep every category at the annual razzy awards, honoring the worst in cinematic achievement. adam sandler was named worst actor and worst actress for playing both jack and jill. did you see it, soledad? >> of course i didn't see it. honestly. i have too little time to see movies, really it has to be like an academy award nominee before i spend my time. >> it looked so good, the concept. >> i saw him this weekend. >> really? >> i was down in miami. he was there. no, i just ran into him. >> what's going on in kentucky? why do you riot for a semifinal win? you haven't even won the whole thing. >> excited i guess. >> they're practicing. they want to make sure they get it right if they win. >> the bar is lowered. >> they were very happy, it was ebulience spilling over. >> i can't even spell ebulience. still ahead, mitt romney punk'd, sort of. >> here comes mitt romney, the next president of the united states. >> yeah, this is an april fool's joke but of course they were recording it, so i wonder how much this is, you know, doesn't he seem like a, the common man? i've become so suspicious of politics. check mates, waiting for the three mega millionaires winners to claim their prize, may not get the big photo op. lottery officials are talking about their rights to privacy. would you take the photo with the big check? >> no. >> no. >> absolutely not. >> i don't know if i could do the cooling off period. i'm hitting the stores. >> our "get real" over the hill at 4 1/2 years old, that is apparently the age when babies aren't cute anymore. we'll tell you about that. don't miss a thing, check out our live blog at our website cnn.com/startingpoint. this is from christine romans playlist, the foo fighters "ever long." you're watching "starting point." short break in a moment. 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>> no, first of all our office frankly hasn't been open since the drawing on friday night. so there would be a claim -- sorry, i'm getting a lot of background. >> we'll fix that for you. >> in my earpiece. >> is that any better? keep talking. >> there we go, a lot better. the office hasn't been open since the drawing on friday night and it will open at 8:30 this morning so i think that if we had a winner come forward this morning would be the first opportunity, but we've obviously advised the winner, wherever they are out there, to seek legal and financial advice and we've had a couple jackpot winners last year and it took several days and over a week in one case before the winner came forward. >> so $656 million on the line and you don't have like a saturday number? is that the same thing, mr. jones, in the state of illinois? >> well our state is gripped by one of the three winners and we reached out and asked whoever the person might be to call a couple of numbers in case they wanted to contact us so that we could begin the winner claim process and especially give them advice that steve gave them as far as seeking counsel, signing the back of their ticket, keeping the ticket in a safe place. >> what other advice do you give them? do they have to come forward? do they have to be publicly available and take their photo with the big giant check? i've walked through this many times personally in my head when i win. i would just never ever, ever in a million years go public ever. >> well there's a reason for that. >> isaa state of maryland it's not required -- >> we'll start with you mr. martino. >> sorry. >> i was just going to say in the state of maryland it is not required that a winner do publicity. so that is a choice that the winner would have to make. i think that the law and mikical talk about this in illinois is different. here they would have the choice and last year the two power ball jackpot winners decided not to do publicity. they have to come into the office. we know who they are. they have to claim through us, but there was no media release identifying who the winner was. >> that's different in illinois, isn't it? >> well again, it's interesting. there's an historic reason for it. 19th century, private lotteries that collected the money but never awarded the prizes so in a lot of states in the modern day lotteries in the '60s on there is a requirement. we try to work with a winner to protect them but a reporter like yourself, soledad could ultimately find out who won and it's not a bad thing. we want the equation to work. you bet $1 against long odds and someone won it and here is the person and we proved it. >> in the state of maryland how is the money divvied up? some of it goes into paying off the winners, but where does the rest of the money go? >> well the revenue that the lottery generates, about 30% of our sales, soledad, goes to the state general fund and that is then used by the governor and the legislature to support all the good causes in the state, be it k through 12 public education, higher education, protecting the environment and social services, so the lottery generated $519 million last fiscal year for the state of maryland, we're the fourth largest source of income for the state of maryland, after sales, corporate and income taxes, and so we're obviously pleased about the contribution we make to the state. >> mr. jones final question this morning, the winning ticket in illinois i'm told was bought at the moto mart, i guess in a town that's just south of st. louis, about 30, 35 miles south. at the end of the day, is that do you think someone in that small town, 4,000 people or someone driving through? >> it's a conjunction of several roads but rumor, rife in redbud and everyone is trying to guess who the winner is. >> me too. i wish it were me. not this time around. gentlemen, thank you, appreciate it, good luck and we look forward to the official announcement. ahead this morning, get real, why your kid is not cute anymore. apparently it's scientific. here's peter's playlist, "call me al." we're back in a moment. ♪ mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. interviewer: you were there the day the priceline negotiator went down in that fiery bus crash. sister kathleen: we los

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