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nine, at this movie theater, movie center. and then they had absolute chaos as some of the people realized they were being choked by the gas and he started opening fire. according to witnesses, very calmly walked up the stairs and just seemed to randomly be picking people out of the audience and shooting at them. we have quentin caldwell, a witness joining us by phone. thanks for talking to me. tell me where you were in the movie theater complex, 16 screens. >> we were in theater eight, ajas ent to where the incident happened. me and my wife go to the super hero premieres and decided to go this one night. >> there were many theaters in which the movie was being shown. >> gentlemyes, there are 16 then this one. >> you're watching the movie, how many minutes were you in before you noticed something wrong? >> we were 15 minutes in and there was a chase fire where there was gunfire on screen. right then out of nowhere on the right side we hear a very distinct pop pop pop pop. and my wife jumped and i kind of sat there, it was probably just really good specific sound effects and my wife said no, that's really distinct. and a couple of people looked puzzled too. and suddenly behind us we noticed there were people saying somebody is shooting up the theater somebody is shot. we see a young couple, holding a woman's face and guiding her down the stairs she's bleeding pretty good. i looked to my right and another gentleman is holding his stomach and running down the stairs trying to get out of there. >> you're in theater number eight. we're told the shooting was taking place in theater number nine. but somehow the bullets were going through the walls into your theater? >> yeah, they did. after that had happened in fact we went to the left side of the theater and somebody said, look, holes and we looked up and you could see the baffling material had been pushed out of the wall and i walked over and put my finger in it, i was just in awe and kind of shocked still. and right before we tried to exit the theater, all of a sudden somebody said don't go in the lobby, he's in the lobby and somebody else tried to go outside and they shut the doors. i don't know why, they said he's outside. we don't know if there was more than one. a lot of people were in shock. >> could you smell the gas, we're told that in theater number nine he had set off a gas canister. was it coming into your theater? >> yes, the holes that were shot through, we noticed there was a little bit of light smoke coming through them and somebody said, look it was hot, like the bullet went through and burnt the material. my wife she had been an emt before, she's done the training with tear gas and drills for disaster preparedness. that smells really familiar. that's tear gas. we thought that the police were using tear gas on somebody, we didn't know what was going on. that's when they told us, try to get out somehow. there was only one exit at the top of the projector screen, i told everybody walk up the stairs and start heading up north. >> what was it like inside the theater eight where you were? were people in chaos? were they screaming? how many people were injured. >> there were two that i saw injured but it wasn't chaos, it was more so -- everybody thought it was a part of the movie, that it was something that was going on like a promotional stunt or something. at first everybody is dumbfounded. after i got my keys and ran back to my seat to get my keys, there are still people sitting there waiting for the movie and continue. there's something wrong, we need to leave now. we're getting out the exit and there are still groups of people sitting in the theater like nothing is going on. >> you were finally able to get to the top of the balcony and everybody was filing out fairly calmly? >> yeah, everybody was fairly calm until we got to the top. once we did, there was two armed officers at the bottom of the stairs, we were at the balcony behind the projection booth and they had shotguns, put up your hands we need to make sure you aren't armed. and everybody put their hands up and all of a sudden the officer looked down, is it okay for them to go? are you going to let them go? female officer said run and everybody starts running but they have almost like a jovial, this is a joke, this can't really be happened so people are kind of parairie dogging and me and my wife know something is wrong. get down, run, listen. >> it sounds as if at that moment they were still looking for potentially a second gunman? >> yeah, they didn't know what was going on really. once we got outside it was outside was chaos because there was wounded everywhere. officers leading wounds and sitting on the curbs outside. i noticed one girl wear a pink hoodie and her left side was peppered with wounds and limping to whatever vehicles were shown up. this is just happened, maybe about five or six minutes before. so it was fairly chaotic outside. >> police were describing putting witnesses and putting victims at their own cars and taking them theflselves to the emergency rooms. >> i noticed that at first because like i said, where the mall -- the theater is, it's in a mall parking lot so there's many exits. there are people doing that because there were some -- a lot of flesh wounds but there are some serious ones as well. like i mentioned earlier, me and my wife emt trained and i was in the marines myself. i noticed people were in shock and trying to help people get towards the fire truck and emts that were there. there was one gentleman who just -- his leg was peppered, just ripped up. his shoe was missing and his wife was shot in her leg. and he took the brunt of it and she got the rest. >> did you see any sign of the shooter by the time police said they were not only able to capture him but he went without resistance. did you see that as it unfolded snd. >> no, as we were leaving we heard the police saying back and forth across the radios and just general chatter that they had him cornered in theater nine and there might be a second shooter, they didn't know. that was all i had gotten at that moment. >> quentin caldwell, a marine, watching the movie next to where the shooting was taking place. giving us an eyewitness account of what he saw and heard. thanks for filling us in. christine romans is following what is happening at area hospitals. we know of the 50 people transported to hospitals, many of them in critical condition is what we were told. >> of those who are confirmed dead, ten were already dead in the movie theater and four later died at area hospitals, of the hospitals that are receiving people, swedish hospital, telling us they went on alert at 1:15 and began calling in extra staff. they had three patients that they received right away, all with gunshot wounds, one was treated and released but two still in surgery as of an hour ago. a university hospital they had 20 victims, all of them with gunshot wounds. 20 victims with gunshot wounds. some simple, minor gunshot wounds, other with severe injuries. they were mostly adults but there were teenagers as well. at children's hospital, there are six victims taken to childrens, ages 6 to 31. the youngest child at children's hospital was 6. we don't have a lot of information on who the youngest victims are but we have reports from witnesses that there were very small children watching this midnight showing of "the dark knight." some described as a baby but other witnesses say maybe a 6-year-old or 9-year-old being carried out of the theater in the arms of a police officer. another witness saying it looked like the child was lifeless and had been shot. we think that child went to children's, the only confirmation we're getting they have 6 victims, ages 6 to 31. >> some of the information we're getting from the red cross, a lot of people who could be witnesses not injured but were potential witnesses to what happened were taken to gateway hospital close to where the movie theater complex is. the red cross is on the scene there. they are feeding folks and say there's roughly 100 people there who are being interviewed by the police. we want to get tom fuentes, former assistant director and cnn contributor as well to talk about what the fbi will be doing in this case. tom, thanks for being with us. fill me in quickly after this happened, the fbi was brought in to start helping out. why the fbi in this case? >> good morning, soledad, mainly the first interest is going to be is this a single person by himself or is he a member of some terrorist organization. such as neo-nazi group or some other anti-government group. that's the first thing you try to rule out, if there are any other individuals involved with him or maybe he's a member of a group that somebody else will go out and start the same type of thing somewhere else. that's number one. secondly, a police department of aurora or any other police department is going to need all the help they can get in terms of the interviewing of so many witnesses, victims, victim's families and plus the investigation into the individual, does he have have a military background? where else does he live? interview his neighbors and colleagues and associates. there's a massive amount of investigation that's necessary and all of the police departments you have several agencies little be called into. in this case the fbi specifically will be looking at the domestic terrorism issue. >> there had been some reports in fact that the vehicle and we saw pictures of a white car that we believe to have been the car of the shooter because the doors were open and trunk was up. it was being searched, that the vehicle had plates from tennessee, so crossing state lines clearly would be an issue that would involve the fbi. >> well certainly, they'll be looking into where he lived in tennessee or who various neighbors or family members may be still in another state such as tennessee. that's one issue. the issue of bomb quad capability will be another issue to examine that vehicle and that of course conduct the search of the apartment and the apartment is going to require evacuating the area, evacuating other places and going in and doing the search that's required there. >> here's what we know about that. we're told by reports not long ago that the streets, we believe to be the street where the shooter lived, described as a 24-year-old male was blocked off and they are surrounded by law enforcement in s.w.a.t. attire, mostly watching according to one description, ambulances an fire trucks also nearby but everybody was being kept at quite a distance. unclear exactly in it was connected, this location to the shooter, but police had said earlier they were evacuating the building and the shooter himself mentioned something about explosives in his apartment. police say also mentioned something about weapons in his car. they told ugs that they evacuated that building and that they were continuing to monitor the situation. although early on they believe that the shooter acted alone. tom, thanks for being with us. i want to read to you a statement from president obama. he has released this statement from the white house saying michelle and i are shocked and saddened by the horrific and tragic shooting in colorado. federal and local law enforcement are still responding and my administration will do everything that we can to support the people of aurora in this extraordinarily difficult time. we're committed to bringing whoever was responsible to justice ensuring the safety of our people and caring for those who have been wounded as we do when confronted by moemgts of darkness and challenge, we must come together as one american family. all of us must have the people of aurora in our thoughts and prayers as they confront the loss of family and friends and neighbors and stand together with them in the challenging hours and days to come. that is a statement from president obama. talking about what has happened in aurora, colorado this morning. we want to update you, 14 people reported dead in the shooting. the number could go higher though because 50 people have been reported to be transported injured to area hospitals, in some cases very critically injured. all of this happening at the theater show the "the dark knight", some people saying they thought it was movie special effects and didn't realize until spem started standing up with injuries and bleeding that in fact there had been gunshots and people were being injured. john berman is monitoring what's happening on twitter. one of the first reports we got was on twitter, a young woman said that there had been a shooting. >> you mentioned the young people who have been flocking to these theaters across the country to see "the dark knight rises", one of the most anticipated films of the summer and never expecting anything like this. i'll read you some tweets from someone named zach eastman. everyone dressing up as batman. i'm going dressed as bruce wayne, a short, stubby, unsexy bruce wayne. this before the shooting happened. then this next tweet, just evacuated our theater in aurora, there was a shooting in the auditorium. i'm safe. it gives you a sense of the mindset of what people must have been thinking as they went into this theater last night, soledad. again, young people, we know victims in thirteens and 20s and young kids as young as 6. >> we've been listening to witnesses who have been filling us in, some of them inside theater 9 where the shooting was taking place and some of them outside the theater in which the gas seemed to be -- tear gas and other gunshots actually coming through the walls and they experienced it as well. we want to play for you a little bit of what some of those witnesses, eyewitnesses and people there were saying this morning. >> she said that a man about 6 feet tall, taller than her, kicked through the door and he was in -- a riot helmet. she said he was -- had a bulletproof vest on. she said that he was completely covered in all black with goggles. and she said that after that point, when she saw he was holding a shotgun, her and her boyfriend dropped to the floor and just kind of started to crawl to see if they could get away. they got up and started to run through the emergency exit. she said that when she turned around, all she saw was the guy slowly making his way up the stairs and just firing. >> reporter: at people? >> picking random people. >> it appears there was some sort of smoke or gas. we're hearing reports of an explosion, we don't know if that was part of the smoke and gas or separate device. i have heard that he was wearing a vest as well as we did recover at least one rifle, a handgun and i believe there was another gun of some sort inside the theater that was left. >> as they were leaving, he witnessed a baby, infant get shot. but they said gas bombs as they were leaving and then just gunshots all over the place. it started in the theater that i had bought tickets to. it was kind of a mind blower. while i was here waiting to talk to the doctor, i heard the call come in at the nurse's stagts. from what i could see, there were people unconscious and people bleeding. i saw one bed go past. the poor guy had blood caked all over his face and not responsive at all, same thing with the lady, they were out of it. they managed to get most everyone stabilized, which is a blessing. it really is. >> he did not resist, did not put up a fight. i don't know the exact details if officers surprised him or how it happened. but i know in of the first officers that arrived within -- i don't know if it was seconds, maximum a couple of minutes, found him behind the theater at his car and took him into custody there. >> so that is a little description from some of the eyewitnesses of what they saw inside that theater which is really a theater complex, 16 theaters, of many of them showing "the dark knight rising", this is a film that people have been anxiously awaiting. his name has not been released at this point but he's described as 24 years old and wearing bullet proof vest and being heavily armed. he was taken into custody we're told in the rear parking lot of the theater, although some eyewitnesses thought in fact he was captured in the netheater itself. police took a shotgun and rifle from him and able to recover another gun inside the theater. he was according to some witnesses wearing goggles. police confirmed he had a gas mask as well. they have not confirmed the goggles part. he did not put up a fight. there was no resistance and additionally he was able to tell them about explosives in his apartment building. police said that at a press conference. after that they mobilized the units to his apartment building and there is a building that we've been monitoring that appears could be his where it's now been surrounded by law enforcement and ambulances as well. it does not -- no one believes there was a second shooter although in their early morning press conference police said they would actively monitor that. 50 people were transported to area hospitals with injuries, some of those very grave. we want to get to nicole williams joining us by phone from swedish medical center. thanks for your time. what's happening at your medical center right now? >> right now we have actually just received word that we are receiving a fourth patient. so currently we have a 19-year-old male who has been listed in fair condition. we have a 20-year-old male who is in critical, a 29-year-old female in critical. and we understand we have a 19-year-old female inbound. we're unclear of her condition at this time. >> you have two in critical condition and one 19-year-old who seems that person is in better condition and you're unclear ever the person being transported at this point? >> correct. >> what kind of injuries do they have? >> the three that we received immediately following the incident, all came in with gunshot wounds, we're hearing rumors that the patient that is currently on her way in could have shrapnel wounds but they have not arrived yet, we have not been able to assess the wounds or condition. >> have you seen shrapnel wounds in any of the other patients? we heard an eyewitness talking about sort of a shrapnel bomb, something exploded and that was the only person who mentioned that and now you're potentialing sh rapnell again. >> we have not. basically i'm sitting in the command center here at the hospital and staying out of the medical responders that are in the emergency department triaging these patients. we're basing our information on the updates they put up on the screen. we've had generic and general descriptions like gunshot wound. the extent of the injuries at is this point are unclear other than the conditions we've currently listed the patients in. >> how is the scene where you are? are you finding their family members who have domestic down to check on loved ones? is it chaotic or calm in. >> we have a handful of family members and friends who were they theater with people that got injured. we have a couple of people here waiting for a friend in surgery and sitting next to that person when everything happened. and they were shot. so right now the people we have here at swedish medical center are relatively calm, just kind of awaiting information. we do have several people calling from all over the country looking to track down loved ones. we are collaborate being with all of the other hospitals and they are compiling lists of all of the names of patients who have been admitted and we're working to protect the privacy and safety of patients who may have been admitted to work with family members calling to try to track down loved ones. >> thanks for that update. we appreciate it. i should mention, nicole mentioned that a potential shrapnel wound could be enroute to the hospital right now. earlier an eyewitness talked about not only

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