0 tough times. i didn't expect that, didn't see it coming. she was impactful on a lot of people's lives. ain this culture throughout thu my lifetime. wish her and her familghy aloute .the best, thanks to sean f hannity for allowing me to sitbe in for him tonight. stthankssean will be back next i i hope everybody hashi a wonderful, happy and healthyea new year. stay tuned, because nanc y grace ,more with what's going on in idaho. >> grace wi in the last hours.o. >> news alert. alert. our friend from abc , barbara walters, dead at ninety three . >> we will give you the lateste as we hear it. but for now, this tv icon with us no more . >> and another fox news alert. e there you see him, everybody, 3 00 a.m. this morning. a swat team swoops down on a pennsylvania home to arrest the prime suspect inhome trs the murders of four beautiful idaho university students. brian christopher burgher age. d twenty eight student washington state university studying criminal justice, of all thingsi hiding out elsnge at mommy's. house. i'y nancy grace. i'm in for laura ingraham tonight. this is a special edition of the ingraham angle. wow. thisia is similar. after forty seven long days of suffering from the four victims families finally, an arrest. standing by right now, episode outside the s.i. correctional institute, where koeberg, outs is being housed tonight. laura , laura , what can you tell us ? hi, nancy. well, right, we are outside ofeh the monroe county correctionali facility, and this is where he is going to be calling home.g he for the next few days at least. and you mentioned that he was arrested, we believe, to be at e his parents house. it's just a few short mile sro toom where i am standing now. but tonight he sits here behindm me inside this jail that holdss. about four hundred inmates, some of them maximum security sr inmates, otherits minimum w security. of course, we believe he's over on the backside. sho but let's take a look at thate'b mug shot once again that we've been showing you all day. ee the twenty eight year old wasre taken into custody before the sun came u cp by the pennsylvania state police atde that home on the southeast side. oof scranton, pennsylvania,a fu arrested on what they called a fugitive from justicfrom je wt . and despite having an apartmentf in the state of washington, regs near the crime scene, his registered address is right here in pennsylvania. e inand when it comes to a poss motive, we're all waitinghere to hear what that is .'svestiga here is what investigators ind idaho had to say about that today. bout thathat's part of the investigation. >> and that will come ou tht as we continue the investigation. but what wk e stilisl ask is , is for people to continually thn send us things in the tip line. we are still looking forr more information, are stillke trying to build that picture, just like we have stated all along. >> all along we're putting all a together and that will help brian kollberg, our faces four counts of first degree murder in november 13 , stabbingcounts deaths of those four young university of idah oo students. he is also charged with felony. burglary, which police saylary r is for entering the home with an intent to commit murder. witent tonow, we've been talkit that white long. we know that law. enforcementa h recovered a white elantra right here in monroe county today. naich was the subject of that nationwide search. the car will most likelyearch. t critical clues if it is thee tht same one that was seen driving near the crime scene. wn drivin moscow, idaho, after the time of the quadruple murders. a pennsylvaniae neighbor nearaa where the arrest took place was clearly shaken today. odayby the news that the suspecy these grisly crimes was w ascaptured here.re. >> it was a surprise that did not expect that something like this can happen in such a quietb neighborhood. i specificallyorho moved fromyot new york to the quiet area. i didn't expect thatt ar things like this happen to be safe fore my future family that i'm planning to have. to it's kind of crazy. yeah. today, investigators were justwa 15 minutes away from the idaho crime scene. ho raiding the suspect's home inn pullman, washington, where he was a graduate student pursuing a ph.d. in criminal justice at washington state. we've been talking about that. a coworker is currently being held without bond and he is expected to have a hearing expeon tuesday. ess. and we've been talking about that extradition process. we'll see what happens. he could wavlde that process, bo again, he'll be back in court on tuesday as we learn more through these hours and days. nancy,hours an laura engle joinl us right outside the s.i. craigslisting us r, where kaipaa is being held. f questions fori've q you. nslaura . thank and again, thank you for braving the elements for being with us. number one , you with us said tr was found there in monroe. all right. it's the quite a long trip we've all been looking for lookg where and monroe was the car found, let me guess, parked outside mommy's house. , oh, it's a great question. and because nobody knew this was happening at 3:00. right. there was not a camera there. t and it is actuallyhere when he s arrested, he was in a private community. so it's kind of a gated community. f off of a two lane road. so nobody knew this wasa happening. nobody has seen where the car cr came from. it actually could be anywhere in the count cfrom.y. and they said it was a whitet wa a launcher. they didn't say it wasey the white a launcher, but nonetheless, they found a way to launch it. they found here in the county, a the same day, apparently, thate they made this arrest. so we're waiting to find out, i you know, if this is , in facthe the one they were looking for, where they too ik and whenproces they're going to start processing it. anl , of course, what they'l find inside. laura , stay with us. >> nancy grace also joining us there in moscow, dan springer, fox news correspondent. dan , i understand that right rt now as we speak, cops are tearing apart bergers pulman apartment. don't you know this guy? he's so fastidious. he's getting his. i've read a lot about him. i've been researching this guy . you know, he had to leave some kind of a trail in that apartment. well, nancy, here's lea the interesting thing. >> the polic traile in pullman y the campus police over ine in pullman, washington, said that he finished off his degree or hs his semester at the washington state university, which is about eight miles away from us here in moscow. froso that means that after the murders, if he's the guilty party, he went back to thated apartment and stayed there and finished school for atthat least a few more weeks before that term was up. was but the announcement ofat the arrest was made behind me at city hall here in moscow,si idaho, at six hours ago. and as you can imagine, theref was relief throughout this entire city.s entire city. they have never seen anything like a they have never seen anything like a quadruple murder in moscow before. quaurdethis is an especially it day for the families of those four victims. who were butchered in that rental property just offes of t four victims butchered, as a campus as they slept nearlyarn seven weeks ago. and now those families ago areay finally getting closer to getting some justice. the murders of quilligan g , slovis, maty, mcgahn, zeneca a.l and ethan chape shockedl col this small college town of twenty five thousand people. it touched off a massive investigation. video quickly surfaced fromst a foodigatio truck the night of the murders that showed caleb o and matty just a couple hours cl before they were killed. police had thousands of tips, bf but apparentlyor. few good leado dozens of local, state and federal cops have been working the case right through the holidays. but justin, recent days, they must have locked in on a suspect, i'm told by a source it is very difficult to get a judge to sign a no knock first degree murder warrant to be executed out of state. you have to have a lot ofng evi compelling evidence and no one is happier about the arrest. ishethan the parents of the victims. we spoke with caylee's dad by phone, a bio, a biohazard a team was cleaning up today ate h the house where the murders took place. murderthey were ordered to begie cleanup, returned the house back to the ownek to tr, but tht work was stopped after news of, the arrest. and , nancy, thid,s is also a very important day, obviously, for the university of idaho. thf this is a school that wasrod rocked by these this quadruple homicide of those fouro students. and for them to geget beyondt bs ,this arrest had to happen. and now they can try to get back to some semblance of normal at this college town andg get those kidse back on campus and feeling safe again. nancy. dan , thank you for being with us. and please don't move. we got a lot of questions for fiu, but i want to bring in the panel. we've got an allrst, i star pan. joining us tonight to make sense of everything we know. b but first, i want to gostraig straight out to chris sweckehtr former fbi assistant director ., twenty four years of the fbiage. special agent. now, chris swecker, attorney at law. twenty four yearnow,, 24 yeas, o okay, you've been around the block. no offense o, but i got to talk to you about a couple of things, really. this is a guy who's getting his p, h, d and criminal justice. and where does he go home?? how many times how many times have i hadd a share of pull a defendant outt from under the bed at mommy's house? so i f he's hiding out ate, c mommy's house, chris , you, you know, the car is probablkny parked right in front of the driveway. t of theyeah, i think i think i actually . >> and i think thi s shows a little bit of an arrested development, if you will , this this guy reminds me so much of thd bundy and people have made that comparison, you know, throughout this whole investigation.ughouthis whole inbut, you know, a guy whn act normal, be a phd candidate . bundy was a law student and eventually passed the bar and walk among us and then just amonh into a quadruple homicidal maniac and do theseo h horrible things that he did. so, you know, yeahible, he thi type of guy, i think, that has that profile of maybe a misfit,n maybe on the margins off society, not accepted. ct and maybe he was he came in contact with one of these four victims and just got rejected or, you know, just you hadexperi a bad experience with them. >> you know, i want to talk about the dichotomy of what you just said and it's like to face. all right, you've got a guy who is meticulously and fastidiously achieving hisis ph.d. in criminal studies. i'm asked to somehow get my stmitts on a questionnaire he ws sending to violent criminals, asking them to detail chris swecker for him, their emotions and their thoughts and their decision making during the crime. i'm talking about murder, , lation. he was obsessed with this hi the point that he immersed himself into it and becamebecame a killer himself. i believe that's going to bethey the theory. so he's not amaney out of out control, but yet he is .ou have you seen this during your years at the fbi? s absolutely. i mean, you have these people again, they can they can appear normal at times. and then they can fly intot these rages and kill just for tl the sake and the thrill of killing and that and it raisessh the question, nancy, is this the first time? i think that is on e of the reasons the moscow police chief was casting about looking for more information, information about this person? you know, i think they have theigh to make an arrest, enough probable cause, but they're still buildinghe their case and they're still trying to figure outy ar motive and everything there is to know about this person goingmy back to his childhood.once >> you know,rn my concern is ane lot ould do it again. >> what about this guy and his childhood? dhood. to jonathan gilliam joining us , former fbi special agent, former navy seal, author of sheep no more the art of, awareness and attack survival. e art jonathan , thank you for g with us. i want to tell you and pleaseu o everybody on the panel jump in. ifl right. if you have an idea orme a thought or a lead, tell me.e o liket wait for me to call on you. school schoolteacher jonathan gilliam. this is what we know. this gilli guy was very socially awkward. now, get this.ward. he was so fastidious. he's described as being an overzealous vegan to the point that he made his parents throwte out their pots and pans that had ever touched meat.ad e the high heat bake cycle wasn'tr enough for him. they had to throw out their pots and pans and buy new ones for him to cook his f meals. and now think about it. coo think about it. do i care about his pots and pans? no, i don't.die ca pots an but what that tells me is hepan? has an acute attention for detail. heute atte went into this househ i'm telling you, jonathan , with the intent to kill, justys. like the burglary charge says he didn't go to .. he didn't go away to steal.o he went in to kill. he had this planned out right rg now. >> sht.o think what you just pointed out actually points out how much of a manipulator thisd individual is and how focused he was on whatever desire he has. this is a heightened desire when you're that desir concerned with the pots and pans that your parents are using to cook your food, that you're goingm to to make them throw those out.e u that shows me that there'st. beo a pattern of behavior here. i and i wouldn't doubt as thedoub come out and people start to information starts to come out and people start to realize who he is , just likt lie ted bundy, you're going to see a history of violent and odd, dn behavior, deviant behavior, to the point wherebe i'm not i'm still not convinced thats ii this is the first time this. individual was killed.d on and i would think based on looking at the profile of this guy and this investigation or is this thing that he was doing with these prisoners ors these criminals, it was as if he was living by curiously through them. >> so that mayt ma havy hae been a trigger for him to takey in fantasy into reality. tobut i still believe this is most likely not the first time he killed. well, just just what you just yj saidus. i'm going to pick up on that. jonathan gilliam, go to brian foley, former homicide detective, connecticut state police. brian , i dealt with so manybri, killers, i can't even count them literally hundredsterall and hundreds. all right.y dred every 10 years 1 prosecuting inner city atlanta. facts i wanted to know the facts. i didn't hav he to proveav the motive, but i would like to present it to the jury when this guy is asking violent vio criminals, killers, ,child molesters, what do you think tren you pull the trigger? what were you thinking when you saw the knife in his right? gillingham is right. he was getting involved, enmeshed, obsessed, with the details of crime. psych majors always seemrime. to scare me for some reason or another. s alwaysand what really got me c the the lack of emotion to ben r able to kill four people itmn an apartment and move around so quietly at night that that knife homicides in general are usually very emotional, very loud and very violent. downthis went this to not wake up people downstairs and not wake others up in the processlao of it.f emotio that shows me a lack of emotion on his part. whatart. i also want to know is number of without getting too gory here, the number of stabtya wounds per victim.ll typically when you when you're targeting one person, thatre person will have a lot t more stab wounds than the ones that aren't targeted. i don't think we'ronese goin wht to see that here. like i said, i think it was a lack of emotion. i think this is this l is a verp like something really smart, d really, really. y were these girls targeted?a of course, is the possibility that ethan, the boy, the young man was targeted, but it's most likely one of the girls. sheryl mccollum, joining me, director of the cold case th, crimeinstitute scene, tech insider, cold case crimes dog. sheryl, you know this guy,ins me he's so fastidious over the pots and pans. what about the parents doing it? twinfs , magine if one o my twins said, hey, mom, throw out all the pots and pans. i want new ones that would not happen. >> well, but again, it's certainly desirable to but it shows he's able to manipulates g even as a 30 year old.es pot his biggest concern is a pot orh pan that's tied to a piece of meat and he can't use it. but again, nancyancy, we've talo about bundy several times tonight, but i'm going to jump on that bandwagon, too, and say ,if you have ever heard kathy claitor speak and she is one of the survivors from the child make a house, she says that bundy never said a word.said a i don't believe this person did either. i believe he came in. he wasin laser focused on what e was going to do. he committed those crimes and he walked away all inl in silence. you know, just scott morgan joining me, professor forensics jackson, state university, author of blood beneath my feet and hit of brain and host of f a hit podcast, bodybags with us ,scott morgan. jo scott, i agree with what one of our guests had earlier.d a knife killing is different from every other killing. and i've worked, what, thousands of homicide scenes,, u as have i .sa you are such close contactwith y with your victim. it's notvict likime you're a snr at three hundred feet, you taket a shot, it's all over. it's not antiseptic and sterile. he was uwith evep close and perl with every one of these girls. o and according to one ofth the dads, kealey had gouge wounds on her body. how long do you think he spied on them? i mean, look alook at can't you see those eyes looking through your window? watching their moves, seeing where they were going, what time they come home? goiyeah, he had taken his time he had i think they usedbi the word targeting quite a bit here. . over over the course of these past few weeks. i think that he did target thema . this home was on a cul de sac, nancy. ths only one way to get wear in there. he wasof aware o wasf who was ln there and when he got inside vis time these victims, he took his time with them and attacked, kep them individually. keep in mind, we in mind had to couples, both of them both sets were co sleeping that weren in the samg.e bed with one h another. and so he woule d movewoul from victim to victim. and the blood in this case, the blood will in fact tell because we're going to learn a lot about sequencing here relative to dna and physical evidence as he moves with this knife from victim a to victim ad b to c and d and so forth, we're going to have an o increased amount of dna from other victims deposited finally on that final victim. l and then, of course, the bigg five here, nancy, is going to be that car and his apartment. >> yeah, no way. he got all that blood evidence have to use block black swan or muriatic acid to get rid of all that dna. there's got to be a trace in that car . guy, stay with us.t because when we come back , we've managed to track downhi people that know him and what they had to say about him being a bully. socially awkward, awkward, and i quote, mean spirited. >> twenty , twenty to a heck of a year. the leak, the book, the trial. and up until i was hitting the slap my name. and that's just the beginning. relive the highs and lows. you're unlike any other special edition of who can forget. twenty , twenty two screaming new year's eve on fox nation. aquaria. and don't miss a whole new season of who can forget streaming. now. >> plus sign up now and get 50% off all yearly plans. why should every man try ageless male max. because it has cost him 66 . ausbil gonda shown to help increase testosterone, improve results at the gym, reduce the dad bar and fight the effects of stress. and it has not performe