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MSNBCW Alex Wagner Tonight January 18, 2023

0 i would hope that republicans and democrats could come together to take on the greed of the pharmaceutical industry who, in some cases, are charging us ten times more for the same exact drugs as sold in canada and other countries. i would also hope that while i know we are not going to pass on the medicare for all system, which i would like to see, at least maybe we could expand primary health care all over this country, so that every american could get to a doctor when he or she needs to do that. >> all right, senator bernie sanders, thank you so much. >> thank you, chris. >> that is all in on this tuesday night. like i said, i will see all of you in exactly one hour, when -- tremaine lee and i host the national day of racial healing town hall from right here in your lungs. 10 pm eastern on msnbc, as >> i'm so excited that you are doing this. and i know that it is in good hands given the you, joy and tremaine have all done on the topic of race and the division in this country. so we're all looking forward to that here in new york. >> thanks a lot. me too. and thanks for joining us. as the january 6 committee rushed to finish its work and close up shop over the holidays, we were practically inundated with releases of the material. there was the final report of over 800 pages, and then thousands of pages of deposition transcripts, court documents and exhibits from the committee's hearings. and dozens of videos. hard to believe that there was anything the committee did not release. and yet today we learned that there was something. today the "washington post" published this draft memo prepare by a team of committee staffers known as team purple. and the team apparently hoped that their 100 plus page memo would be adapted in a chapter in the final report.decided to leave most of it on the cutting room floor. among team purple's moth damning findings, was that social media platforms like twitter and facebook bent their own rules to allow donald trump and others, people who were stop the steal proponents, to continue spreading election disinformation because they feared blowback from conservatives. executives failed to heed warnings from their own employees about the ways that election denialism was likely to about ploed into real life violence on january 6. "rolling stone" reports that specialist at twitter who tried and failed in the run-up to january 6 to get her bosses to clamp down on the posts to incite violence, she wrote this the day before the attack, "when people are shooting each other in the streets tomorrow i'll try to rest in the knowledge that we try." because while the january 6 attack may have seemed to most americans to come out of nowhere, the people at tech companies whose job it was to be on the lookout for threats, they saw it coming a mile away. they watched as election disinformation became widespread election denialism among his supporters which turned to extreme rhetoric about things like taking our country back which turned to code and not so coded calls for violence. and then we got january 6. but the team purple investigators for the january 6 committee made clear the capital attack was not the end of the cycle. this is from their draft memo. "recent events demonstrate that nothing about america's stormy political climate or the role of social media within it as fundamentally changed since january 6. following lawful fbi search of mar-a-lago, both mainstream platforms and sites where extremists plotted to assault the capitol were aboil with violent speech. and an armed man threatened the fbi building in cincinnati, ohio reporting that he was present at the capitol riot. until the rhetoric is diminished, the threat of political violence will persist." and sure enough, now we appear to be seeing it again. this time in new mexico. back in august, the santa fe new mexico flagged the notable history of a seat that pena had been convicted of 19 feloies and spent almost seven years in prison for a burglary ring. naturally after getting out he figured the next move that made sense was to run for political office as a super only 26% of the vote, he announced that just like donald trump, he was not conceding his race. he was researching h where he disputed his election loss with them. one democratic county commissioner say that pena came to her house right after the november election and he was at my door and he was aggressive. he was an election denier. and another county commissioner had a similar experience with pena, "this guy came to my home, i was very concerned and it was unsettling, he was angry with losing the election, he felt the election was unfair and untrue. both of those commissioners called the police but did not give the visits much more thought. that is until the shooting started. pena has now been arrested on charges that he orchestrated a spree of shootings targeting those homes, a state senator and new statehouse speaker, all democrats. no with an was hurt in the shootings, but that was apparently not for lack of trying. in the criminal complaint against pena, police provide the account of a confidential witness who participated in some of the shootings and is cooperating with authorities. this witness said pena didn't like that he men he hired to shoot the democratic official homes, that they were firing at the houses so late at night and they were aiming above the windows. pena wanted them to aim lower and commit the shootings earlier in the evening to have a better chance of hitting people inside. pena personally participated in the fourth and final shooting to ensure that it was carried out that way. it was during that shooting that county commissioners sleeping 10-year-old daughter was covered in sheet rock dust dislodged by bullets passing through her bed room. today the new mexico legislature opened its new session with a new house speaker whose home was riddled with bullets last month. this may be the first time that election denialism has escalated to violence in the state of new mexico. but like so many other places all over the united states, election denialism has caused plenty of other problems in the state over the last couple of years. republican commissioners in one county spent weeks refusing to certify the results over fake claims. and finally had to be forced to certify. secretary of state herself had to go into hiding the previous year because of online threats. and as new mexico's top elections official, she has a pivotal role as her state heads towards 2024. and that is all because election denialism and its violence repercussions do not seem to be going anywhere. joining us now is new mexico secretary of state maggie oliver. thanks so much for being with us tonight. and i just want to first get your reaction to the pena news and understand what it is like for democratic lawmakers in the state of new mexico and how you are feeling tonight. >> thank you for having me. i'm grateful to be here to talk about this topic. and tonight i'm feeling and i know my colleagues especially my colleagues who experienced actual bullets through their house s are feeling released at the actions of the state police here in new mexico. but for me as somebody who has been on the front lines of dealing with threats and now we're seeing actual ab acts of violence against election officials particularly as a result of election denialism and the lies and misinformation that has pervaded our population the last couple of year, i'm deeply concerned because really we can see a through line now from the rhetoric that was leading up to the 2020 election all the way through december late in the year of 2022. and we're not just talking about violence now, we're seeing it actually happen. >> i think a lot of people think because there wasn't a january 6th style insurrection following the midterm elections that somehow we've gotten to a better place. but i wonder what the view on that is from the state level. you can talk about how you see the threat to democracy as it plays out in the state of new mexico? >> my colleagues and i, and it is not just democrats, it is people of both party, independents, who work in elections for a living, we were all saying, wow, this election, it has been a lot calmer, a lot less chaotic, a lot less stressful. but we all are waiting for the other shoe to drop so to speak. we know that the pervasive sentiments that have been created by rhetoric of the big lie have not gone away and we know there are still a lot of people out there who genuinely believe that the election was stolen and who also believe that the only way to deal with political conflict is to address it through violence. and this just reiterates what i have said and what my colleagues have said since 2020. the rhetoric has to stop. because it is not just a political tactic anymore. it is creating actual violence in our communities, it is affecting human beings and threatening their safety. >> so what did you do short of saying don't put my 10-year-old daughter's life in danger. we talked about talking about team purple and they detail with great specificity the radicalizing force of social media. how do you combat that as a state level elections official? what recourse or resources do you have? >> first we have to push back on the lies. and we've been doing that very strongly and forcefully over the last couple of years. but next step is to take legislative action to ensure justice for those not only just contemplating but obviously for those who are carrying out these actions in real life. work of the january 6 committee i think was a great example. and the prosecutions and successful convictions that we have seen in federal court, particularly one individual in my state who was a public office holder who was then removed from office for having participated in the insurrection, it can't just happen at the national level, at the state level when we see this type of violent behavior as we've seen in my state. i'm grateful to local law enforcement, but the next step is to hold these individuals who are responsible accountable and to prosecution them to the fullest extent of the law. and working with the legislature in my state and across the country, other states, we need to take proactive action legislatively to make very clear that it is a very serious crime to just even to threaten the lives and well-being of elected officials across the country. >> the other thing i worry about, beyond the very urgent safety issues, it must have a chilling effect in terms of who volunteers to want to be a part of this system, to be an elected official or being secretary of state. how do you grapple with this, why do you still do a job that has forced you into hiding? obviously it is important for the function of democracy, but you're a person too and i'm sure that you have to worry about the safety of your own safety and of that your loved ones. how do you make that choice? >> it is such a good question. i ran for a second full term in new mexico last year fully knowing the potential threats that i was going to subject myself to. and i had to think about it very hard. this is not a job that i do for my own mental health and well-being. and there are potentially very serious threats to my life and my family's life. but that is the reality of justice and the right to vote in democracy in this country. i am not part of a cohort that is facing this for the first time. so many people in our nation's history have had to face threats to their lives. so many people in our nation's history have had to face threats to their lives and quite frankly, have lost their lives. for the fight for democracy in this country. so, i am not any different. i'm just willing to do the work. and i'm willing to fight and to speak out and to do everything i can do to protect myself in light of the threats. and that is exactly what we need, again on both sides of the aisle, and independents and everyone who we need to come together to run our nations democracy to make sure that it is healthy and that it thrives, it is that willingness to say yes, we acknowledge there is risk. but so many people have come before us to do the same. >> wow. we are also deeply grateful for everything you are doing to keep democracy of the united states on track. i'm sorry that you have to make the decisions and the calculations that you do. new mexico secretary of state maggie oliver, thank so much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> that was part one of a bigger conversation about the state of maga republicanism today and its relationship to election denialism and drifting and violence on both sides of the halls of power. part two is about election deniers and drifters in congress. just as conspiracy mongering congressman marjorie taylor greene today lands implement simon on the homeland security committee. but what committee did serial fabricated george santos get? all those details are next. and coming up later, new reporting that the justice department's considerable ultimately decided against having fbi agents monitor president biden's advisers as they conducted their search for classified documents at his delaware home. how does it all factor in the calculations of merrick garland? i will be joined on set by former justice department prosecutor who just wrote a lengthy profile of the attorney general. all of that is just ahead. some wishes do come true. they'll never know. and it turns out the general is a quality insurance company that's been saving people money for nearly 60 years. for a great low rate, and nearly 60 years of quality coverage- go with the general.

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