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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

court documents that trump and john eastman both signed, which effectively eastman says via email, we sort of no better to design this. if we sign this, i'm really obviously paraphrasing -- it is not really accurate. which caused another federal judge in california, judge carter, to say that is evidence of criminal behavior. that's a georgia thing that happens in december 31st, 2020. and then there is as you say when you look at evidence that we haven't really the deep into, but that presumably the d.a.'s office has, the figures are spot in georgia, fani willis has immunity deals with eight of the ten electors. and one can expect that that is going to provide some kind of information that would be very useful to her in making her case. it's very notable that david schaffer, who used to be the chair of the republican party in georgia, is one of the fake electors who apparently had direct contact with trump

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CNN Tonight

together, they got together and coordinated a conspiracy, the conspiracy on steroids as my friend norm eisen likes to say. it's a way of participating in crimes, two or more in georgia, as part of an overall plan. they overall connection, really, is that you all engage in criminal behavior. you need to not have direct connection with one another, as long as you are part of an overall conspiracy or actual enterprise. think about the common mafia case, right? where you have got one person who is kind of a ringleader, a puppeteer as you will. everyone attached to that strain involved in the entire theater really is going to be an issue here. the reason this is so important to hear is that normally a prosecutor only has the jury selection in their own specific area. they have to be near sighted for justices to prevail, rico allows you to be broader. because whatever you have engaged in, criminal behavior, that really had an impact in my jurisdiction. whether it happened out of state, whether it was different counties, whether it was

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The Five

yet and the democratic mayor bass is calling it is unacceptable. really? i guess i agree. three of the top ten cities for retail are all in the golden state including san francisco a report claiming some federal government staff who worked at the nancy pelosi federal building instructed to work from home as the city gets wrecked by crime. judge pirro this is the ground that was set this way a couple years ago. this goes back to defund the police. >> and we are not going to. this is organized criminal behavior. you've got 30-50 of them. they all show up at one store shortly after 4 p.m. but that organized criminal behavior for which and i'll tell you in a minute there will be little consequence was preceded by organized government behavior

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CNN Primetime

agreeing, disagree. but some of this is criminal. the idea of trying to assassinate the president, criminal behavior. indisputably so. what do you make about the fact that there is increased security now for people -- i mean, they're doing their jobs. if you're the assigned prosecutor who is overseeing an investigation and a grand jury yields an indictment, my language is precise for a reason. a judge overseeing a case who's been assigned that case. the fact that increased security is happening is highly problematic. >> absolutely. when i was a prosecutor, i had a case in which i had some violent defendants. and one of them said that he was going to kill me. and he was in jail. and the u.s. marshal put security on me. i had a neighbor who did something that was very odd and exotic and put in a security system for a year in my home. so this is personal to me. but what i want to say is this. i go back to 1950.

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Deadline White House

proceedings and, more importantly probably for him, not go into criminal proceedings as someone who has been found to have done these 11 things that pete just mentioned, up to and including moral turpitude. >> peter, it's interesting, i guess you can say, eastman's lawyer said last night they're, quote, holding out hope he will not be indicted. if that was the case, wouldn't they maybe not be so concerned about how charges could impact his disbarment proceedings? >> well, i think they came to the sudden realization that all these statements that he already has made to the california bar proceedings actually, in fact, are things that jack smith and others are looking at and potentially using. at the end of the day, there is an obligation to adhere to a certain moral and ethical standard to have a bar license. that is independent of any sort of criminal behavior. it all goes to between his statements and the statements of his attorneys, the crazy world of disinformation in which they have bought into this narrative

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The ReidOut

from this ethics of right and wrong to right in which you can get away with. i think donald trump typifies that. desantis's response is particularly weak one. he's reviewing the indictment that he didn't even bother to read and ought to read the indictment because it's well written. when you read the indictment, it is well written and well put together. and it begins by some legitimate questioning of the election. you can do that. you can do it through public speech and lawsuits, through recounts and audits. but they exhausted all those. that's where trump left reality and engaged in criminal behavior. and it's very well laid out. what's absurd about the indictment as you read it, it wouldn't pass for a b movie script. you would be thrown out of a producer's office if you tried to sell this as a script. yet this is what really happened. the whole elector scheme is so

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America Reports

don't have the ability to charge dr. fauci, it's a referral, whether the doj does anything or not is completely up to the biden administration. another problem is, you can charge dr. fauci with criminal behavior, you can accuse every scientist and you know, public health official that served during covid if you want to, but it's not going to get at the underlying problem, which is the biden administration seems to not want to hold the chinese government accountable for originating covid in whatever form that took. >> i think you are exactly right, gillian and also very important to sort of pursue all avenues on this because i think that bringing sunshine to what happened during covid, how the government responded to covid, what maybe taxpayers were funding that may have contributed to covid is all very, very important. but at the end of the day, you are exactly right. it's going to be very difficult

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Alex Wagner Tonight

attacks and so on. >> what is it like, though? i mean, as someone who worked for donald trump, had representation paid for by downtown, biden flipped on donald trump, what is that decision like? when you make the calculation, i can't -- i'm going to have to get my own council. i'm not going to be able to pay for those bills. -- but i cannot look at myself in the mirror and go along doing the bidding for this man, who is criminally guilty -- who is guilty of unethical, if not, criminal behavior. what is that calculation like? >> it's very difficult. first of all, in my case it wasn't about the money. it is a whole another thing. you can read about it in the book. it wasn't about the money. it was more about the loyalty. i had spent a decade with him, little more than even a decade. and there is a sense of loyalty. and it's almost like a sense of responsibility that you have for keeping him in line. but truth be told, as his sister, judge barry once said, nobody can do that. he's impossible. and there's no way that anybody

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Alex Wagner Tonight

>> of course. and once that stops -- once you stop being loyal, specific to, him and following his message -- well, now you get cutoff. and it's not that -- it's not just that the legal bills become yours. the headaches all become yours as well. because he exacerbates them by doing the things that he does best, which, is on social media, attacks and so on. >> what is it like, though? i mean, as someone who worked for donald trump, had representation paid for by downtown, biden flipped on donald trump, what is that decision like? when you make the calculation, i can't -- i'm going to have to get my own council. i'm not going to be able to pay for those bills. -- but i cannot look at myself in the mirror and go along doing the bidding for this man, who is criminally guilty -- who is guilty of unethical, if not, criminal behavior. what is that calculation like? >> it's very difficult. first of all, in my case it wasn't about the money. it is a whole another thing. you can read about it in the book. it wasn't about the money.

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

states. and honestly it feels just like another monday. we keep on doing this over and over again. and it speaks to the widespread nature of trump's criminal behavior. and whether it is tomorrow or thursday, as andrew weissmann says, we are possibly getting close, in two weeks i think all indications are donald trump is going to get indicted. jack smith sent a target letter to donald trump last sunday. you don't do that -- particularly against the former president -- unless you are pretty sure that you got the goods. and with respect to parlatore's two-week comment, i don't put much faith in that. i think that smith already has the goods. so, i suspect that we are gonna see it a lot closer than two weeks. and, you know, this is not rocket science. i mean, a federal judge, judge david carter, a very respected judge in california, has already said based on what the january 6th that tints

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