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i was shocked by the degree of sensitivity of these documents and how many there were, frankly, and so the government's agenda was to get those -- protect those documents and get them out, and i think it was perfectly appropriate to do that. it was the right thing to do, and i think the accounts under the espionage act that heelfully retained those documents are solid counts. >> that was donald trump's former attorney bill barr, the man who stood by his boss for two years, shielding him from legal accountability during his time in the trump administration. now even he thinks this indictment is, quote, very damning, and trump is toast, his word, by the way, not miechblt jack smith's office has made it clear he's seeking a speedy trial that upholds the law and

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but none of those arguments -- and i thought very hard what they might be. the smoothest way to look at a case is to see what are the best arguments. i keep coming up empty. i don't think they have any good arguments. >> given how sensitive the material is here, some have talked about the classified information procedures act or what is known as sipa because it deals with the country's most sensitive secrets oop, it means there will be some limits on what can be said in order to ensure the government doesn't expose the national security information of the public? some of the really key evidence might never be accessible to the american people is. that a factor in this? how do you think sip pa will impact the trial and the reception of this case especially to people who as we know with donald trump and his defenders are skeptical of it, politicize it, tell you they're hiding information, they will

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as an attack dog of the president. that's exactly what we don't, want and it's exactly why americore linda portland special counsel in the first place he wanted to create separation between what the justice department was doing, and the white house and because he does serve at the pleasure of joe biden and he didn't feel like it was gonna be a good idea for him to directly oversee this. queso, if the white house where to start taking an attack position and using this as a campaign for joe biden, that would put merrick arland in a terrible position, i can't imagine anything worse. for the justice department or for garland, so i don't think you're gonna say that however to your point, that does leave this huge opening rhetorically for donald trump. joe biden, will stay silent because he's not supposed to be using the desk as apartment for political gain. donald trump will fill that silence again and again again. one of the things that's different this time,, though is that he'll be doing it with not just one but two different criminal cases going forward during the campaign, if judges decide this kind of rhetoric is

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jurisdiction she didn't have and a unanimous conservative 11th circuit panel, two of whose members were appointed by donald trump slapped her down and criticized her for interfeinter. she certainly has the obligation to take herself off the case. the code says if anyone can reasonly question your impartiality, you have no business judging this case. unless she does that, we may not get a speedy trial. >> let me ask you about the defense for a moment because bill barr says he thinks the charges are solid but he didn't want to wait to see what a defense looks like. it's been a couple of days since the indictment was unsealed. is there anything you cannen vision playing with the law, whether it's the national presidential records act or something that the president could possibly make as a legal challenge to this?

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must do is enforce all classification rules. >> we also need the best protection of classified information. >> now trump and his republican allies in congress have completely flipped the script now. i mean, all you've got to do is look at these two, jim jordan, lindsey graham just this morning. >> i go on the president's word. he can classify, he can control access. he has the sole thought. >> did he do things wrong? yes, he may have. he'll be tried about that. but hillary clinton wasn't. is that going to change my support for donald trump. >> it's almost like they never truly cared about hillary clinton ice emails and just used them to help get trump elected. if you have an "r" next to your name, you can misshandle all the classified documents you wand and jordan and graham are going to be there to shield you from accountability. maya and molly are back. my full circle moment of trump

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trial. professor, thank you for your insights. up next, donald trump's unhinged republican defenders. s unhinged republican defenders. i) (♪ ♪) (♪ ♪) where could reinvention take your business? accenture. let there be change.

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trump directs employees to clean out a storage room in a highly accessible area on mar-a-lago's ground floor so it can be used to store his boxes. trump also directed some boxes he brought to his bedminster, new jersey, residence. the national archives asks that trump turn over any presidential records he may have kept. those requested were repeated for months. trump allegedly showed a military plan of attack that he says is highly confidential to a writer interviewing him at bedminster. trump remarks as president i could have declassified it. now i can't. fast forward to november 2021. trump directs his executive assistant and body man walt nada and another employee to start moving boxes from a storage room in "morning joe" to his residence room to review. in late december 2021, a trump

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the indictment with what trump said in 2016. >> yeah. the law and order paernlt doesn't care about the law when it comes to donald trump. molly, what do you make of the u-turn we've seen from folks like jim jordan, lindsey graham about classified materials. we know they're looking at it. to watch jim jordan try to declassified that document was probably the most awkward, cringe-worthy things i've seen in a long time. >> dana bash said, you don't make any sense. none of this makes any sense. his argument was basically she can't do it because she's secretary of state but he could do it because he was president. the point is they'll do anything to defend donald trump. again, it's this weird mobius strip. you have republicans defending trump because they're scared of the base, maybe losing it,

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i think we're going to see lots of politicking in those motions that have very little to do with the law. many of us looking and reading that indictment are sitting there, thinking, i'm glad i don't have to come up with a defense because it's very hard to come up with one. if it were not donald trump, i promise you the lawyers or anyone facing the evidence in that indictment would be saying we need a plea deal, and that is not going to happen here, but that means they'll politicize the judicial process, and the question is the judge who presides over this proceeding going to allow it? >> molly, your reaction that trump is running again to stay out of prison because i'm trying to gain the various scenarios. even if convicted while in office and he tries to pardon himself, that will certainly be legally tested all the way maybe up to the supreme court. if he says to a running mate, i'll put you on my ticket so long as i have to resign my

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you would think they would take the opportunity to slam him, get ahead in the polls, discredit him, but they continue to come to his defense in a freakish way. >> yeah. it's unbelievable. i -- you know, every time, right, and we've seen them do this again and again and again. i know they won't, but maybe just this time. in fact, they just won't. i mean even mike pence, even the quote, unquote brave republicans and i'm using that ironically, of course, say it's terrible to prosecute these crimes, you know, what is the justice department doing. i mean it's just unbelievable. even like senators like mike rounds from south dakota is out there saying the justice department is weaponized against donald trump. you know, there's a real opportunity here to not do this kind of thing, and republicans just cannot -- they just love the anchor of trump so much they cannot stop themselves. i don't know that they're scared

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