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his people who are for him are really for him, there's a lot of enthusiasm. trump is trying to bang those people down, trying to switch them over to him for his margins. desantis' people think they have the best ground game. what that means for a campaign that seems to be half dead, we'll see, but some think he'll have a better than expected number because his team is motivated and organized to get people to caucus sites despite the bad weather. yes, all eyes will be on the number that haley comes up with, joe and mika. if haley comes into the second place and has momentum, suddenly, next week, if she can win new hampshire, draws chris christie votes, if she can win new hampshire, then we have the binary choice in the republican party. haley and trump. trump will be favored, but you can never say never. >> we'll be watching this and talking about it a lot more. also, another anniversary to note, 30 years ago today on mlk day -- >> big day. >> it was a big day, rev. joe announced his first run for congress.
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is with us this morning. joe? >> rev, i just wanted to talk about that remarkable, that remarkable speech in memphis before we launch into politics and all the other issues of this day. on that day, the night before martin luther king was shot, he talks about going to the mountaintop and seeing the other side. of course, using just an extraordinary reference from the old testament where god says to moses, "go up and see the land that i have prepared for the children of israel." talk about that night. talk about that legacy. talk about what it means for all of us today. >> well, i think that, clearly, it is a sermon he preached the
trump will do well. i've never met a trump person that's changed, really. >> yeah. >> they're baked in. i'm sorry. >> it's true. >> i'm sorry. >> i've got to say, and i understand, chris, and it's always, i think, been very helpful that you're around trump people in your own family. i'm always trump people in my own family. i can tell you, it's been a bit of a shock, rev. i talk about conversions, but they have changed. now, they're not going to be voting, rev, for joe biden. they're not going to be voting for democrats, but they're not going to be voting for donald trump. and i think it was january 6th. i think it was the attacks against ron desantis. i think it was the attacks against the other republicans. it was the sheer exhaustion that was setting in. so there is around the corner a conversion. here's a guy who was president of the united states for four years, an incumbent, sitting at 48%.
that, as the rev said, martin luther king, not popular in the final years of his life. he was seen as too radical by white america. he was seen as too passive and conservative with a small "c" by large segments of black america. he was despised by those who wanted to use violence to push civil rights. and -- who is talking in the studio there? >> i don't know. >> could you ask them to stop talking? >> okay. they heard you. >> here you have, what is remarkable, in 1965 -- 1964 and 1965, we had the second american revolution. as jon meacham says so beautifully and so eloquently, for the first time in american history, the laws of this land actually allowed black americans, the civil rights and the voting rights they had been
affirmative action and dei. the good thing is, since king, we've had a black president elected and re-elected. >> this is true. >> and a black woman is sitting as vice president today. >> and this is true. >> and i believe if you keep going forward, you can win. >> rev, you're exactly right. a black president, a black vice president, and right now, a president -- and i know you're going to be talking to joe biden about this today -- who has fought like hell, fought like hell for voting rights for black americans. fought like hell for the john lewis voting rights act that republicans killed. fought like hell for other voting rights acts that republicans have killed. time and again, every time, he has tried to lift the barriers for black americans, for hispanic americans, for young voters to go out and vote. he's been pushing hard. he's got it passed through the
stripped from for so long. even three years later, people were pushing martin luther king, one of the most transformative figurescentury, to go even further and push for violence. he did not do it. he changed the world in a way very few have. just a remarkable time. important to remember martin luther king, and very important for americans, especially this year when american democracy is on the line and the rights of black americans, of all americans, rest and hang in the balance. >> absolutely. and i thank you both for those remarkable words. and the fight still today is almost as if we have fallen back. rev, you're going to be having president biden on your radio show today. give us a preview.
from registered republicans. similar efforts to get abortion on the ballot this year are underway, in at least ten other states. mister chairman, is this the issue that will drive voters to democrats in november, in your judgment? >> this is a big, big issue. and we see it in polling, rev, we see it not only in the poll that really matters, which is what happens on election day. look at what happened in ohio, look at what happened in kansas, look at how this issue of abortion weighed into how the democrat, governor beshear, was reelected in kentucky. so even in some of the, quote unquote, reddest of red states, this is an issue that is very pertinent, this is an issue that women, republican women, independent women, democratic women, are all standing up and saying enough is enough with the extremism that we are seeing in the republican party. and i believe that it will be a game changer in florida, in this election cycle. >> all right, thank you