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elder sons eric and donald junior at a co—defendants in the case and have already testified. losing the trial could result in a fine of as much as $250 million and a ban on trump doing business in his home state. let's listen to what said in the last few minutes at the courthouse. you have a racist attorney general who has made some terrible statements and you see someone who came over today, it is a very sad situation for our country. it is very unfair. it is very unfair. but, in the meantime, the people of this country understand it, they see it and they don't like it. they don't like it. this is political warfare, usually it takes place in third world countries and banana republics and nobody has ever seen that, to this extent, we have never seen it here. but we will go along and we will all do well on every regard. we'll win the iran election and make america great again. will make america great again. will make america great again but we have to take thugs that we deal with, the horrible people that actually must hate our country to do this. but we will, we will fight very hard for our country. will, we will fight very hard for our country-— will, we will fight very hard for our count . , . . ., , our country. the usual wild claims there from — our country. the usual wild claims there from donald _ our country. the usual wild claims there from donald trump - our country. the usual wild claims there from donald trump as - our country. the usual wild claims there from donald trump as he i our country. the usual wild claims i there from donald trump as he went into the courthouse. let's go to our north america correspondent who was there for us. set the scene. weill. there for us. set the scene. well, matthew, there for us. set the scene. well, matthew. it _ there for us. set the scene. well, matthew, it has _ there for us. set the scene. well, matthew, it has been _ there for us. set the scene. well, matthew, it has been quite - there for us. set the scene. well, matthew, it has been quite a - there for us. set the scene. vii matthew, it has been quite a morning already. we have several protesters who have lined up here to support the attorney general in this case. leticia james actually spoke to the press, saying that she fully expected donald trump to use name—calling, race baiting and taunts but she said that the numbers don't lie and that she would uncover the truth on the stand today. now, donald trump, as he made his way information you said that, no surprise. you spoken to the press before, trying to take advantage of the spectacle of this case to help his campaign. you know, he also referenced the fact that polls still show him as the leading republican nominee, is the leading candidate to be the republican nominee. and so, certainly, we had a kind of very similar talking points there, slamming this entire case as a political witchhunt. but when he takes the stand, he is going to have to do several things at once. he is going to have to convince this judge, because it is not a jury deciding this case, but a single judge, that he did not defraud banks with his valuations. you will have to appear credible, despite slamming thisjudge as a to appear credible, despite slamming this judge as a democratic operative, and he will have to worry about the politics of the soul to make sure that, even on the stand, and singing very rigorous questioning, he is able to still maintain his argument that he did nothing wrong. so a lot for donald trump to have to keep in mind as we wait vented take the stand imminently in this case. we wait vented take the stand imminently in this case. we will be back throughout _ imminently in this case. we will be back throughout the _ imminently in this case. we will be back throughout the course - imminently in this case. we will be back throughout the course of - imminently in this case. we will be back throughout the course of the l back throughout the course of the programme but, for now, thanks very much. let's go live now to the former federal prosecutor who joins me live now from chicago. welcome here to the programme. the reuters news agency just here to the programme. the reuters news agencyjust reporting that trump has taken to the witness stand so here we go. what are you expecting? i so here we go. what are you meeting?— so here we go. what are you exectin? . , . so here we go. what are you exectin: ? . , . ., so here we go. what are you exectin-2 . , . ., , expecting? i am expecting him to try to deflect responsibility, _ expecting? i am expecting him to try to deflect responsibility, to - expecting? i am expecting him to try to deflect responsibility, to try - expecting? i am expecting him to try to deflect responsibility, to try to - to deflect responsibility, to try to blame accountants and others and say that they were responsible for the false numbers. and i also expect him to be defiant. i think your correspondent is correct that, if you want to try to win this case, donald trump is going to have to walk a tightrope. i really believe that, eternally, his legalteam walk a tightrope. i really believe that, eternally, his legal team has told him that they are going to lose this case. they are attacking the judge not to try to convince him but because they know they have already lost and they are trying to spin or add some colour on a very bad result. and i think that result was essentially preordained when he decided to invoke the fifth amendment to the united states constitution which protects you from incriminating yourself hundreds of times during his deposition. i will times during his deposition. i will come back _ times during his deposition. i will come back to _ times during his deposition. i will come back to trump's _ times during his deposition. i will come back to trump's tactics in a moment. you are a former prosecutor, what would be your tactics as you would approach at case like this? what is the prosecution need to do here? , ., , ., , ., here? they need to try to pin down donald trump _ here? they need to try to pin down donald trump regarding _ here? they need to try to pin down donald trump regarding his - here? they need to try to pin down donald trump regarding his state l here? they need to try to pin down | donald trump regarding his state of mind as to each one of these valuations. essentially, this case is about donald trump valuing his properties at one price to lenders and to a different, at a different numberfor the united states number for the united states government, numberfor the united states government, various levels of the united states government. that is a problem for donald trump. so they need to pin down his responsibility, his knowledge, his state of mind as to all of this. and, ultimately, put that in front of the judge, who, i believe, is not going to find the former president credible. got a ulim se former president credible. got a glimpse of— former president credible. got a glimpse of that _ former president credible. got a glimpse of that with _ former president credible. got a glimpse of that with the - glimpse of that with the cross—examination of his sons last week because they had to admit that they had signed dozens of these reports, that events up until now from donald trump has been, look, i had good accountants, they were responsible for those financial documents foot of his also insisted no one lost out. does any of that hold water, do you think? i no one lost out. does any of that hold water, do you think?- hold water, do you think? i don't think so. hold water, do you think? i don't think s0- it _ hold water, do you think? i don't think so. it is _ hold water, do you think? i don't think so. it is not _ hold water, do you think? i don't think so. it is not going - hold water, do you think? i don't think so. it is not going to - think so. it is not going to surprise all of your view is that the accountants are not going to come into the trial and say it was all theirfault and come into the trial and say it was all their fault and that they falsify the numbers, they are going to say that they relied on the numbers that were provided to by donald trump, his companies and his sons. so, realistically, that is not going to help them put up in the fact that there were losses. whether thatis fact that there were losses. whether that is true or not, is not relevant put up in the united states were trying to defraud people, whether you are successful or not, still an offence. here, it is a civil offence but it can also be a criminal offence as well. we but it can also be a criminal offence as well.— but it can also be a criminal offence as well. we talked about donald trump's _ offence as well. we talked about donald trump's tactics, - offence as well. we talked about donald trump's tactics, you - donald trump's tactics, you mentioned the fifth amendment. would you expect, potentially, to hear that over the next few there has been a huge ongoing issue around gagging clause, the court clerk, would you anticipate that at different stages, if he is coming under pressure, perhaps, he tilts towards that end creates a huge distraction? because as lawyers were accused of doing exactly that only last week. , , .. ., last week. yes. the distraction, i think most _ last week. yes. the distraction, i think most where _ last week. yes. the distraction, i think most where we _ last week. yes. the distraction, i think most where we are - last week. yes. the distraction, i think most where we are going i last week. yes. the distraction, i | think most where we are going to last week. yes. the distraction, i . think most where we are going to go here. taking the fifth amendment would be the legally smart thing to do because this is a man who is facing criminal indictments in multiplejurisdictions facing criminal indictments in multiple jurisdictions of the united states were doubling that is the part that his lawyers set for him long ago during his deposition. but i think now he is more concerned about the public perception of their son so he is focused on provoking a fight with thejudge, son so he is focused on provoking a fight with the judge, trying to argue that thejudge fight with the judge, trying to argue that the judge is unfair and none of that helps them from a legal perspective. it only helps him from the perspective of trying to influence his followers and his supporters. i influence his followers and his sunporters-— supporters. i was reading one prosecutor — supporters. i was reading one prosecutor who _ supporters. i was reading one prosecutor who said - supporters. i was reading one prosecutor who said anything | supporters. i was reading one i prosecutor who said anything can happen when you have in the dark. when you have donald trump in the dark, perhaps times that by 100. absolutely. he's going to be very difficult to keep on to a particular planner agenda. difficult to keep on to a particular planneragenda. if difficult to keep on to a particular planner agenda. if i was cross—examining donald trump i would try to goad him into or pushing into saying that he actually was responsible for these numbers. because i don't think he is the sort of person i like to say that he is not in charge. i would basically try to get him to admit that he was actually in charge because he is a very prideful person. i think he is somebody who can veer off of his script, so to speak.— somebody who can veer off of his script, so to speak. yes, you touch u on that script, so to speak. yes, you touch upon that area- _ script, so to speak. yes, you touch upon that area. we've _ script, so to speak. yes, you touch upon that area. we've known i script, so to speak. yes, you touch l upon that area. we've known about. which of course is that he prides himself on what is net worth is, so perhaps that stuff around what trump tower is worth, the square footage, the value, there is potential territory there, isn't it? to prod him into areas, perhaps, his legal team don't want him to go. that is riuht. i team don't want him to go. that is right- i am — team don't want him to go. that is right. i am envious _ team don't want him to go. that is right. i am envious of— team don't want him to go. that is right. i am envious of the - team don't want him to go. that is right. i am envious of the lawyersl right. i am envious of the lawyers who are going to be cross—examining him. it is very rare to have a consequential case with a witness and a defendant who is not very well prepared by his attorneys and is going to, you know, stay within that framework. most people, no matter how prideful they are, no matter how much they trust themselves, going to follow their lawyers instructions as best they can. i just don't think that donald trump is capable of doing so are willing to do so. aha, doing so are willing to do so. a quick final thought, then 12 cop got you touched on it right at the start. there is a huge amount at stake here, isn't it? give them a 90, stake here, isn't it? give them a go, an enormous amount at stake. you his companies can be dissolved, he can be essentially ordered not to do business in the state of new york, which is where his companies are based. , . .. . which is where his companies are based. ,, ., ,, ., , which is where his companies are based. , , ., , , ., , ., based. very serious penalties. for most of my _ based. very serious penalties. for most of my clients, _ based. very serious penalties. for most of my clients, this _ based. very serious penalties. for most of my clients, this would i based. very serious penalties. for most of my clients, this would be | most of my clients, this would be essentially a death sentence for the company. it would be death situation. for donald trump facing criminal indictments in multiple jurisdictions, ironically, it is not the most serious trial he is going to face this year.— to face this year. great to talk to ou. to face this year. great to talk to from thanks _ to face this year. great to talk to you. thanks for _ to face this year. great to talk to you. thanks forjoining _ to face this year. great to talk to you. thanks forjoining us i to face this year. great to talk to you. thanks forjoining us here l to face this year. great to talk to l you. thanks forjoining us here on bbc news. thanks for your time. thank you. bbc news. thanks for your time. thank yon-— thank you. around the world and across the _ thank you. around the world and across the uk, _ thank you. around the world and across the uk, you _ thank you. around the world and across the uk, you are _ thank you. around the world and across the uk, you are watching | thank you. around the world and i across the uk, you are watching bbc news. let's take a look at a couple of other stories making headlines here in the uk because several police officers have been injured in edinburgh after clashes with a group of about 50 youths who threw fireworks and petrol bombs last night. the scot then called it a concerted and planned attack on its there are also bonfire night disturbances in glasgow and dundee. up disturbances in glasgow and dundee. up to 20,000 health workers in england will receive a one—off bonus of at least £1700 after previously missing out because they work for non—nhs organisations. the extra payment was agreed as part of the nhs pay deal in england this year but some staff were not included. after employers launched legal action, the government has now agreed to provide the funding. and thousands of people in surrey are still without water at a technical issue at thames water treatment works. the company has apologised to those affected and bottled water stations have been set up to help residents. some schools have been forced to close. the company says the problems were caused by the storm. you with bbc news. now, the health ministry and gaza says more than 10,000 people in the gaza strip have been killed since the war with israel began a month ago. the announcement followed one of the heaviest bombardment so far by israeli forces. the director of a hospital in gaza city said more than 200 people were killed overnight he told the bbc people use donkeys to move casualties because they could not phone ambulances. the israeli defence forces said hundreds more targets had been hit, some a50 and 2a—hour is. and a hamas military compound had been seized by troops. meanwhile, israeli ground forces have now reached the coast. in effect providing the gaza strip into two. the united nations has renewed its for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in gaza. a statement on behalf of the leaders of 11 separate un agencies, together with six humanitarian groups, also urges as real to protect civilians and allow more food, water and medicines and fuel into gaza. it says an entire population was besieged and denied access to the essentials for survival. meanwhile, the us secretary of state and the blinken is held talks in turkey in the final stop of his regional tour. he told reporters washington was playing a leading role in preventing the conflict from spreading and ensuring that more aid reach to gaza. the vice president harris is due to talk by phone to world leaders. in a moment we'll hearfrom by phone to world leaders. in a moment we'll hear from the un children's agency and from a spokesman for the israel defence forces but first this report from our correspondent. opening fire, israeli forces say they are advancing on the ground in gaza, helping direct fighterjets. they have hit some a50 targets in 2a hours, the military says. meanwhile, a hospital car park serves as a makeshift morning place. health officials in gaza say some 200 people were killed overnight. about 1.5 million are now displaced. many have left the north for this tent city here in the south. for some, like mina and herfamily, the vehicles to replace lost homes. we came here in hope of finding safety, but this does not exist. when you are sleeping, you will hear rockets overhead. there is no security. amid growing destruction, the heads of un agencies put out an unusualjoint statement condemning the spiralling number of lives lost and torn apart on both sides in the past month. now, in gaza, they say an entire population is besieged and under attack, denied access to the essentials for survival, bombed in their homes, shelters and hospitals and places of worship. this is unacceptable. aid is still only trickling into gaza. overnight, jordan says it resorted to an airdrop of medical supplies for its field hospital. 0n the ground, fewer lorries have entered than used to come into gaza on the average day. it's difficult to find drinkable water, food is limited at the market, even in the south area. the aid is entering, it is limited, it is a doctor, not enough at all to fill the gaps. on a diplomatic blitz, the us secretary of state was in turkey on his last regional stop, trying to stop an escalation of the war. washington is trying to persuade israel to back a pause in fighting. when it comes to humanitarian causes, we are engaged with the israelis on the practicalities of that. 0ne critical aspect is seeing progress on, progress on hostages. that's something we are focused on but we also believe a pause could help advance that proposition as well. this lunchtime, another protest causing on the israeli government to bring home the 2a0 or so hostages being held by hamas. another reminder of the anguish brought by this war. yolande knell, bbc news. let's go live tojerusalem now. our diplomatic correspondent. in the last little while it has been announced that more rockets, aim for is real, hamas saying they fired rockets in lebanon. tell me more about that. rockets in lebanon. tell me more about that-— rockets in lebanon. tell me more about that. , , ., about that. yes, so the israeli said that as many _ ab

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