armistice day commemorations are taking place, and police say �*while the two minutes�* silence was marked respectfully and without incident on whitehall. officers have faced aggression from counter protestors who are in the area in significant numbers.�* scuffles broke out as police attempted to stop them from reaching whitehall but the group pushed through as officers hit out with batons. the met police said a group threw missles at officers. let's speak now to leroy logan, former superintendent of the met police. former superintendent good former superintendent to have you with us. first 0 all, good to have you with us. first of all, your assessment on this police operation right now? we are starting to get a sense of what might be involved this afternoon with those clashes already limited in scope and scale but, nonetheless, send of the work that the police has to do today. work that the police has to do toda . ~ , . ., ., today. well, it is quite clear that the commissioner's _ today. well, it is quite clear that the commissioner's assessment| today. well, it is quite clear that - the commissioner's assessment that there could be these emboldened groups turning up as a result of swell above the men's inflammatory article and political overreach is quite clear. so they have sufficient numbers to contain them but is unnecessary because if the home secretary was actually carrying out her role of liberty and order and being a unifier and calming things down instead of the opposite, i don't think we would have this early onset of violence and the rest of the match would carry on accordingly. a court hopefully that will continue in the peace march will continue in the peace march will be without any incident. the thin . will be without any incident. the thin that will be without any incident. the thing that people might find confusing about this is that of smaller skirmishes that we've seen so far today, the clashes between police and what have been described as far right protesters new to the cenotaph, it is about those protesters trying to get near to the cenotaph. to protect it. from what? this is what many people don't understand here? the far right protesters were clashing with police themselves were already protecting themselves were already protecting the cenotaph. themselves were already protecting the cenotaph-— themselves were already protecting the cenotah. ., , �* ., , the cenotaph. well, doesn't make any sense. i do need _ the cenotaph. well, doesn't make any sense. i do need to _ the cenotaph. well, doesn't make any sense. i do need to protect _ the cenotaph. well, doesn't make any sense. i do need to protect it? - the cenotaph. well, doesn't make any sense. i do need to protect it? this i sense. i do need to protect it? this is an excuse, to turn up in numbers, to show they're sort of validation by the home secretary. and then to call the police, you are letting your country down, itjust shows they are irrational and they would just turn up for any form of highlighting their course which is to divide and to create conflict, whether it is in words or deeds. this is just almost inevitable once you sell the home secretary took about eight marches and her article of a couple of days ago and this continuous inflammatory comments which is divisive and i must admit, i think suella braverman has passed her shelf life. she should be sacked because this is just a direct cause of her inappropriate action and she is not worthy to be home secretary. interesting. i mean, your comments echo those we have had in the last hour from the scottish first minister. he has tweeted and said, yes, that's the far right has been emboldened by the home secretary. he said she spent her week fanning the flames of division and they are attacking the police and armistice day. the home secretary's position is untenable. she must resign. at the same time, people might question the same time, people might question the timing of this. they say that armistice day is a day of quiet reflection and remembrance. is it really necessary that this protest, this march had to take place today? we know it is taking place in previous saturdays. could they have held for a couple of days? that will be the allegation here, won't it? yeah, i know, but the thing is, armistice is actually a reflection appeased been called in the first world war and has been kept, honoured for many, many years. 0bviously. and we want to show that it is actually quite appropriate for a peace march on armistice day. i know because it is, in a weekend just before remembrance day it has got a lot more significance because normally, armistice day during the week. a lot of people don't recognise it unless they are part of the public service or they happen to be in a transport hub for the ask for the two—minute silence but normally armistice day comes and goes and not that many people recognise it. it isjust goes and not that many people recognise it. it is just that it has come at this time, just before remembrance day at the height of unrest in israel and gaza and, i suppose, people arejust unrest in israel and gaza and, i suppose, people are just making some sort of counterargument to prevent this peaceful march in carrying on. but everyone has the right to peaceful protest. and that is what the commissioner has honoured and i am pleased he is pushed back on the political overreach both from the home secretary and the prime minister. i5 home secretary and the prime minister. , , , �* minister. is interesting, isn't it? the commissioner _ minister. is interesting, isn't it? the commissioner said - minister. is interesting, isn't it? the commissioner said he - minister. is interesting, isn't it? i the commissioner said he rejected those calls to ban them saying the move would be a last resort. he said there was nut evidence to suggest it would be fundamental problems. maybe it's my clashes and a disruption but it's my clashes and a disruption but it did not meet the buyer to ban this protest. talk to me about the decision—making that will have gone into that. what is considered to be sufficiently high a bar to actually call something like this to be banned? ~ ., ., ., , banned? well, it would have to be siunificant banned? well, it would have to be significant evidence _ banned? well, it would have to be significant evidence and _ significant evidence and intelligence to suggest that specific individuals or groups of individuals are trying to create a major incident. you know, or major unrest. through advocating a proscribed organisation or the way that they are turning up in large numbers, and a uniform or something like that. a proscribed organisation. it has been promoted, whether with flags or something highlighting hamas and what it is trying to do in gaza. so those are significant things that the commission would have to then go to the home secretary and ask for an application to ban the march. because it is enshrined in common law and in law that people have the right to peaceful protest. and it should be like that. that is part of democracy. and it is one of the things that we pride ourselves on in a democracy that we can do that. at one of the things that we have to be careful of is when our democracy has been eroded by the policing being influenced by the politicians. we've got to maintain that critical distance. police have to be independent. the commissioner has to carry out hisjob independent. the commissioner has to carry out his job without any pressure from the politicians. so good to have you with us. thank you. we showed you those pictures both a little earlier, those counter protesters there but also the scene live across london. protesters there but also the scene live across london. 0ur correspondent graham satchell is at the palestinian solidarity march in central london we were talking about those who are gathering leaving hyde park. the numbers have swelled where you are but talk to us about the mood and the feeling there as that march gets under way. i the feeling there as that march gets under wa . ., ., _ ~ under way. i have to say i think the mood is one _ under way. i have to say i think the mood is one of, _ under way. i have to say i think the mood is one of, it _ under way. i have to say i think the mood is one of, it is _ under way. i have to say i think the mood is one of, it is noisy, - under way. i have to say i think the mood is one of, it is noisy, i - under way. i have to say i think the mood is one of, it is noisy, i can i mood is one of, it is noisy, i can say that, we have not seen any trouble, let me put it that way. and when you look at the people who are here it is an interesting mix. there are a lot of young people here. there are families with their children, there are teenagers, older people. but what you don't get or certainly i have not gotten essential out of any sort of trouble at all. there is a lot of chanting, there is a lot of noise, you can probably hear. are banners and placards but it is a protest. so the field here is significantly different i think from what we have seen very briefly in the centre of london near the cenotaph where there have been a few minor scuffles. just reminders have been a few minor scuffles. just reminders because, of course, where you are, new to hyde park in central london, there is some distance to the cenotaph in central london where we saw those armistice day commemorations earlier today. the two are very distinct. very little chance of overlap.— chance of overlap. well, that is onl the chance of overlap. well, that is only the police _ chance of overlap. well, that is only the police open _ chance of overlap. well, that is only the police open strategy, | chance of overlap. well, that is only the police open strategy, i think, today, ben. so the organisers of this might have deliberately change their route, cognizant of the fact that there are sensitivities around armistice day and the cenotaph. i'm previous saturdays they have marched through whitehall and parts of the cenotaph. today there starting in hyde park. we then stood on the spot for the last 15 minutes. as far as the eye can see there are people coming from the north of me here and they are heading towards the american embassy which is where they will finish. it is a very deliberate strategy to keep this protest separate from the counter demonstrations, far right groups who have coalesced around a social media hashtag called defend the cenotaph or will be a challenge for the police to keep those two groups separate today but that is certainly their fervent hope. graham, thank you. i know you will be there for a little while yet but graham satchell there in central london just showing you the scene. this again from a helicopter flying over that march. it certainly appears that there is some sort of confrontation, may be an arrest under way right there. the police had already warned earlier in the week to expect to see smaller scuffles, smaller skirmishes. they said it would be a way of clamping down on smaller portions of unrest to prevent an escalation into anything more severe. they described anything more severe. they described a possibility of the situation in the capital being challenging and tense. they find that the use of force is likely. amid concerns over that counter march by far right groups. they say that scuffles, disruption, particularly may be in isolated areas, would be an indication of wider clashes. but, nonetheless, they say they will try to prevent anything escalating and growing too significantly. it is worth updating on what we already know from the met police. they have told us that a group of counter protesters are left whitehall, whitehall, of course, where the cenotaph ears and there's commemorations earlier this morning. they then moved on to another area of london and to chinatown. there they confronted and threw missiles at officers who tried to engage with them. so the police are saying that additional officers have now been deployed to the area to identify, locate and deal with those involved. the police say our priority is keeping the public safe. they will not tolerate disorder. so that is currently the scene and actually, now, that helicopter has widened out and you can see that that is very close to whitehall. that is the corner of parliament square and the end of westminster bridge just under big ben. get a sense, end of westminster bridge just under big ben. geta sense, big ben end of westminster bridge just under big ben. get a sense, big ben would be at the top right of your picture there. just that, the entrance to westminster bridge dividing the river, the houses of parliament from whitehall, downing street, just to the top left of your picture, if you it certainly seems for now the police have drawn some sort of mine while they get some of that disruption under control. so that is the scene in central london and as you can see on screen minor scuffles between police and counter protesters. are going to stay across that for you and you the very latest, if there are any further developments there. i want to bring up to date with the other main story. the hamas—run health ministry says gaza's largest medical facility, al—shifa hospital, has been forced to suspend operations because its run out of fuel. it comes amid reports of intensified fighting close to a number of hospitals in the territory overnight. the bbc has heard from a doctor at al shifa, who says its intensive care unit had been hit. he says, separately, because of fuel shortages, two patients on ventilators have died, one a baby. according to the world health organisation, there are currently 130 babies on incubators in gaza. 45 of them are believed to be at the al—shifa hospital. the gaza health ministry say 39 of them are now at serious risk of death, give the lack of fuel and power. joining me live our correspondents injerusalem, nick beake and our gaza correspondent rushdi abualouf from khan younis, in the south of the territory. it is good to have both of you with us. let me come to you first, if i can. we know that fighting intensified and the strikes continue intensified and the strikes continue in gaza. what is it that israel has been saying, particularly about those attacks on hospitals? weill. been saying, particularly about those attacks on hospitals? well, if ou said those attacks on hospitals? well, if you said that _ those attacks on hospitals? well, if you said that the _ those attacks on hospitals? well, if you said that the situation - those attacks on hospitals? well, if you said that the situation is - those attacks on hospitals? well, if you said that the situation is quite i you said that the situation is quite clear when it comes to gaza's biggest hospital, the hospital. it says that hamas has constructed this control and command base underneath the complex and so, in doing so, has transformed the hospital into a genuine legitimate military target. that is the israeli position. however there was everything a little earlier today and ijoined it. and we had a senior member of the israeli defence forces taking questions and at one point he conceded that there were, in his words, several thousand civilians in the courtyard of the hospital. so that shows you that this is not a clear—cut situation in that there are lots of civilians as well as patients at the complex, lots of people, of course, went towards the hospital thinking that they would be safe but it is extremely complicated, extremely difficult, as we have been hearing from one surgeon in particular in gaza and of course from our correspondence has well in the territory.— well in the territory. absolutely. there is talk _ well in the territory. absolutely. there is talk now. _ well in the territory. absolutely. there is talk now. what - well in the territory. absolutely. there is talk now. what is - well in the territory. absolutely. there is talk now. what is it - well in the territory. absolutely. | there is talk now. what is it that you are and hearing where you are? because we have seen those reports and we heard from officials at the hospital. keep us date on the situation please?— hospital. keep us date on the situation please? hospital. keep us date on the situation lease? ., ., ., situation please? today, more than two 3000 people — situation please? today, more than two 3000 people have _ situation please? today, more than two 3000 people have already - situation please? today, more than two 3000 people have already fled | two 3000 people have already fled from the _ two 3000 people have already fled from the north and they arrived to heat _ from the north and they arrived to hear. people are still going, moving, _ hear. people are still going, moving, evacuating the gaza city in the north_ moving, evacuating the gaza city in the north and coming to here. very few of— the north and coming to here. very few of them, to three, were coming from _ few of them, to three, were coming from that_ few of them, to three, were coming from that maggie said the situation was very— from that maggie said the situation was very tense around the hospital with the _ was very tense around the hospital with the tanks getting closer and closer_ with the tanks getting closer and closer to — with the tanks getting closer and closer to the gate of the hospital and the — closer to the gate of the hospital and the access in and out of the hospital— and the access in and out of the hospital is— and the access in and out of the hospital is almost impossible. now, very few— hospital is almost impossible. now, very few people, like, five or six people _ very few people, like, five or six people managed to escape under fire from the _ people managed to escape under fire from the hospital this morning. but they told _ from the hospital this morning. but they told me about 10,000 people remain_ they told me about 10,000 people remain in— they told me about 10,000 people remain in the courtyard of the hospitat _ remain in the courtyard of the hospital. no electricity there. most of the _ hospital. no electricity there. most of the operations are suspended including — of the operations are suspended including the intensive care unit in the hospital. communication with those _ the hospital. communication with those who— the hospital. communication with those who are in the hospital are extremely— those who are in the hospital are extremely difficult. i managed to call a _ extremely difficult. i managed to call a journalist who may be the last call a journalist who may be the test one — call a journalist who may be the last one he was that he said he is unable _ last one he was that he said he is unable to— last one he was that he said he is unable to do any sending any picture or talking _ unable to do any sending any picture or talking to anybody in the hospital— or talking to anybody in the hospital but he described what is going _ hospital but he described what is going on— hospital but he described what is going on around the hospital is a real wan — going on around the hospital is a real war. we have to understand that this is— real war. we have to understand that this is not— real war. we have to understand that this is notjust at real war. we have to understand that this is not just at the real war. we have to understand that this is notjust at the hospital. this— this is notjust at the hospital. this is— this is notjust at the hospital. this is the _ this is notjust at the hospital. this is the biggest medical centre, like the _ this is the biggest medical centre, like the biggest kidney dialysis department is in this hospital. the biggest _ department is in this hospital. the biggest surgery is in this hospital. this is— biggest surgery is in this hospital. this is not— biggest