comes after two days of deliberations by the jury. the former us president could face up to four years in prison and a $5,000 fine for each count. here's what he said outside the court right after the verdict. this was a disgrace. this was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who is corrupt. it is a rigged trial, a disgrace. they wouldn't give us a venue change. we were at 5% or 6% in this district, in this area. this was a rigged, disgraceful trial. the real verdict is going to be november the 5th by the people, and they know what happened here and everybody knows what happened here. we didn't do a thing wrong. i'm a very innocent man and it's ok, i'm fighting for our country, i'm fighting for our constitution. our whole country is being rigged right now, this is being done by the biden administration in order to hurt a political opponent. i think it is a disgrace and we will keep fighting, we will fight to the end and we will win, because our country has gone to hell. we don't have the same country any more, we have a divided mess. we are a nation in serious decline. millions and millions of people pouring into our country right now from prisons and from mental institutions, terrorists, and they are taking over our country. we have a country that is in big trouble. but this was a rigged decision right from day one, with a conflicted judge who should have never been allowed to try this case, never. and we will fight for our constitution. this is long from over, thank you very much. alvin bragg, the manhattan district attorney overseeing the criminal case against donald trump, spoke earlier on thursday. the 12 everydayjurors vowed to make a decision based on the evidence and the law, and the evidence and the law alone. their deliberations led them to a unanimous conclusion beyond reasonable doubt, that the defendant donald trump is guilty of 3a counts of falsifying business records in the first degree, to conceal a scheme to corrupt the 2016 election. i did myjob. 0urjob is to follow the facts and the law without fear or favour. that's exactly what we did here. what i feel is gratitude to work alongside phenomenal public servants who do that each and every day. in matters that you all write about it and lots of matters that you don't. i did myjob, we did ourjob. many voices out there, the only voice matters is the voice of the jury, and the jury has spoken. cameras were not allowed but bbc reporters were. i spoke to our digital reporter madeline halpert. thank you for being here after a very long day for you. it seemed at one point as if the jury seemed at one point as if the jury was ready to wrap up for the day, it seemed like everyone was packing their bags and there was a moment where thejury said actually, and there was a moment where the jury said actually, we have reached a verdict. did it feel like that the coach and was taken a bit of guard? absolutely. as a court reporters we were sitting in court all day, a long time, doing much of nothing, just in a separate room while the jury deliberated. we were waiting for something to happen, then at 4:15, thejudge for something to happen, then at 4:15, the judge calls us back into court and tells us he's going to excuse the jurors for the day, so we all thought, no verdict for the day. in fact, you could see donald trump was in a really good mood, we hadn't seen him in such a good mood before, joking with his lawyer, he looks really relaxed, and the judge then left to go an excuse to jurors but he didn't come back for a really long time so we started to wonder, and then he came back into the court and he let us know that actually, the jurors were very close to a verdict, they have reached a verdict, they have reached a verdict but they needed 30 minutes to fill out the verdict sheet, and then from then on the atmosphere totally changed, it was very tense, you could see donald trump's facial expression go to the very dejected, subdued expression, his lips were purged and he was no longerjoking with his lawyer. no longer “oking with his la er. . ,. , lawyer. can you describe the moment _ lawyer. can you describe the moment for— lawyer. can you describe the moment for us, _ lawyer. can you describe the moment for us, when - lawyer. can you describe the moment for us, when the i lawyer. can you describe the l moment for us, when the jury read out its verdict count by count? it read out its verdict count by count? . , . , read out its verdict count by count? . , ., ., . count? it was a very dramatic verdict, count? it was a very dramatic verdict. you _ count? it was a very dramatic verdict, you really— count? it was a very dramatic verdict, you really feel- count? it was a very dramatic verdict, you really feel the i verdict, you really feel the tension in the courtroom. all the reporters were ready to type superfast, and it was read out loud to us by the clerk. it was read one count at a time. the first count is guilty, we hear that for 34 counts. can one, guilty, count to, guilty. we were all sitting her —— like sitting holding our breath for each count. very dramatic moment, you really feel that tension. the historic nature of it all. you can imagine that donald trump was probably quite tense as well. but we didn't get a lot from his facial expression, he was very subdued, sitting back in his chair with his lips pursed, not really looking at anybody in particular. of course, then after the jury handed particular. of course, then after thejury handed in particular. of course, then after the jury handed in their verdict, eachjuror needed after the jury handed in their verdict, each juror needed to confirm that the verdict was accurate, so you had to go one by one to the jurors, is this the verdict? and trump and turned toward him and he looked at each one of them as they gave their answer, and we don't often see him looking at the jurors so it was quite something to see all of them confirm that they had in fact found him guilty of this crime that he has really denied any involvement in.— that he has really denied any involvement in. and these were lona da s involvement in. and these were long days for — involvement in. and these were long days for the _ involvement in. and these were long days for the jurors, - involvement in. and these were long days for the jurors, lots i long days for thejurors, lots of testimony, 22 witnesses, how did they handle it? when are watching thejury, where did they handle it? when are watching the jury, where they intend to —— attentive the whole way through? intend to -- attentive the whole way through?- intend to -- attentive the whole way through? they seemed really professional— whole way through? they seemed really professional from _ whole way through? they seemed really professional from an - really professional from an outside perspective. they were in court every day, there were never late, i have spoken to legal experts who said it is really rare to get a jury that is always on time, they were taking notes, it was a really long trial and we heard it so many hours of testimony, some of it rather explicit testimony from the adult film star stormy daniels, whose hush money payment is really the heart of this trial, and the jurors the entire time at a straight face, they seem to engage, they took notes, they didn't give anything away so we were not really sure what the verdict was going to be. but a lot of professionalism from the jurors and we heard judge merchan at the end thanking them for their professionalism. find the end thanking them for their professionalism.— professionalism. and a big decision to _ professionalism. and a big decision to have _ professionalism. and a big decision to have handed i professionalism. and a big i decision to have handed down today. thank you for all of your coverage and for taking us inside the courtroom.— your coverage and for taking us inside the courtroom. thank you for having _ inside the courtroom. thank you for having me. _ joining me live is trial attorney and legal analyst kelly hyman. great to have you back on bbc news. first of all, what stood out to you about today as mac verdict? it out to you about today as mac verdict? , ., , ., . verdict? it is a historic day. we have — verdict? it is a historic day. we have to _ verdict? it is a historic day. we have to remember, - verdict? it is a historic day. j we have to remember, this verdict? it is a historic day. i we have to remember, this is the first time in us history where a former president of the united states has been charged and convicted of felony crimes. and the fact that the jury really took their time, very methodically, asking for evidence back, asking for certain things that they really thought about and understood that this was going to be a momentous decision on their part. momentous decision on their art. ~ , ., momentous decision on their art. , , , part. were you surprised? in the end it — part. were you surprised? in the end it was _ part. were you surprised? in the end it was only _ part. were you surprised? in the end it was only a - part. were you surprised? in the end it was only a couple | part. were you surprised? in i the end it was only a couple of days that they took in terms of deliberations, was that about the amount of time you thought they would spend? i the amount of time you thought they would spend?— they would spend? i thought it was auoin they would spend? i thought it was going to — they would spend? i thought it was going to go _ they would spend? i thought it was going to go until— they would spend? i thought it was going to go until friday, . was going to go until friday, but i believed it was going to be convicted on all 34 accounts.— be convicted on all 34 accounts. , ., ~ , accounts. so 'ust walk us through. — accounts. so just walk us through, briefly, - accounts. so just walk us through, briefly, the - accounts. so just walk us through, briefly, the 34. through, briefly, the 34 accounts, what is the legal significance of the actual verdict handed down? they could be jail time, there could be fines, could be a mix? people alwa s fines, could be a mix? people always ask. — fines, could be a mix? people always ask, what _ fines, could be a mix? people always ask, what is _ fines, could be a mix? people always ask, what is next? - fines, could be a mix? people always ask, what is next? we | always ask, what is next? we know the judge has set the sentencing forjuly the 11th, and that's when at that time the judge will sentence donald trump, and at that point, he will be a convicted felon. he is not a convicted felon until then. but in the meantime, before that happens, the defence counsel and trump the's team will most likely file a motion to satisfy the verdict and that could potentially delay the sentencing. find and that could potentially delay the sentencing. and to be clear, delay the sentencing. and to be clear. that _ delay the sentencing. and to be clear, that kind _ delay the sentencing. and to be clear, that kind of— delay the sentencing. and to be clear, that kind of motion - delay the sentencing. and to be clear, that kind of motion is - clear, that kind of motion is different from an appeal? correct. that motion would potentially happen before the fact of the sentencing. in between that. most likely the sentencing time, if that happens, will get delayed, pushed back. 0nce happens, will get delayed, pushed back. once the sentencing happens and he is convicted, he becomes a convicted, he becomes a convicted felon and the judge issues the punishment that we talked about, whetherjail talked about, whether jail time, talked about, whetherjail time, which is probably unlikely, the fact he has some kind of probation, then at that point his attorneys can file an appeal. point his attorneys can file an a- eal. ~ ., , point his attorneys can file an aueal. ~ . , ., , point his attorneys can file an anneal. . ., , ., , ., appeal. we have seen many of those sorts — appeal. we have seen many of those sorts of— appeal. we have seen many of those sorts of tactics - appeal. we have seen many of those sorts of tactics to - appeal. we have seen many of those sorts of tactics to push l those sorts of tactics to push back a timeline being very successful in other criminal cases facing donald trump. let's talk about the sentencing. a lot of this more nearly all of it comes down to the discretion of the judge. what do you expect to happen if indeed we see the sentencing taking place onjuly the 11th? going back tojune, both sides have to give the court a memo, basically a sentencing memo, laying out what they think. from the defence, no sentencing and then for the state, depending on what they feel is appropriate, whether it is jail time or some kind of ablation and ultimately thejudge time or some kind of ablation and ultimately the judge will consider that. and ultimately the judge will considerthat. —— and ultimately the judge will consider that. —— some kind of probation. in the meantime, donald trump has to go to the probation office, he has to sit for an interview where they discuss it with him and the also issue a report, they will ask about hisjob also issue a report, they will ask about his job prospects. also issue a report, they will ask about hisjob prospects. we all know what his job prospects are! and talk to him about that. in the main issue of court as well. ultimately it will be to the discretion of the judge but most likely, will be to the discretion of thejudge but most likely, due to his age, 77, this is a first—time offender, most likely i do not see anyjail time. likely i do not see any “ail time. ., �* , likely i do not see any “ail time. . �*, . , , time. that's really interesting and that is — time. that's really interesting and that is the _ time. that's really interesting and that is the kind _ time. that's really interesting and that is the kind of - and that is the kind of timeline that we can expect. kelly, always great to have your thoughts, thank you so much. ., your thoughts, thank you so much. . ., ., much. thanks for having me, treat to much. thanks for having me, great to see _ much. thanks for having me, great to see you. _ much. thanks for having me, great to see you. that - much. thanks for having me, great to see you. that was i much. thanks for having me, | great to see you. that was the le . al great to see you. that was the legal side _ great to see you. that was the legal side of — great to see you. that was the legal side of things _ great to see you. that was the legal side of things and - legal side of things and obviously there is political fallout as well. joining me live is axios senior contributor margaret talev, and washington post columnist dana milbank. great to have you both here. everyone talking about the historical significance, we can't call him a convicted felon just yet,, to sentencing, but margaret, can you walk through your thoughts, really donald trump once again entering the history books in a way that many people may not have expected?— have expected? yes, he has a real knack _ have expected? yes, he has a real knack of _ have expected? yes, he has a real knack of making - have expected? yes, he has a real knack of making history l real knack of making history but he has outdone himself with this jury verdict earlier today. one thing to watch is that for many months it was the polling suggested among american voters that voters would be much less likely to want to support a nominee or candidate for president if they had been criminally convicted. i think we are bound to find out whether that conventional wisdom is right or not. and with her many voters. we have certainly seen early signs that it will only further motivate the republican base, we have seen everyone from mikejohnson to lindsey graham, to the rank and file of much of the republican party coming out today and panning the jury verdict and echoing the former president's words about it being a disgrace. we saw larry hogan, the former republican governor of maryland, which is a democratic state, who is running for the senate now, trying to beat the odds and win the senate seat, we saw him come out and say no matter what the verdict is, people should respect it and the law and the jury, and the trump campaign immediately panned him and said, your campaign is over. so battle lines are being drawn. but if this race in november is as close as early polling suggests, if it really is within the margin of error percentage point or two, even if it only moves a marginal amount of americans, that could make a difference. so the political stakes are huge. huge stakes, really. _ political stakes are huge. huge stakes, really. dana _ political stakes are huge. huge stakes, really. dana milbank, i stakes, really. dana milbank, how will this ruling by this jury how will this ruling by this jury today, convicted on all counts, change the nature of what has already come as margaret said, very tight campaign? it margaret said, very tight campaign?— margaret said, very tight campaign? margaret said, very tight cam-cain? ,, campaign? it is anybody's guess because we've _ campaign? it is anybody's guess because we've never _ campaign? it is anybody's guess because we've never had - campaign? it is anybody's guess because we've never had a - because we've never had a convicted felon at the top of the ticket running for president for a major part in the united states before. so really— the united states before. so really can't predict. the more recent— really can't predict. the more recent polling, more recent than — recent polling, more recent than one _ recent polling, more recent than one —— than what market was _ than one —— than what market was talking about, suggests that— was talking about, suggests that first of all people haven't been paying much attention to the trial and probably are not going to change _ probably are not going to change their votes very much. things— change their votes very much. things are _ change their votes very much. things are very polarised here. it suggests people are unlikely to change their vote on the basis — to change their vote on the basis of— to change their vote on the basis of this trial. but look, if you — basis of this trial. but look, if you had _ basis of this trial. but look, if you had the choice between running — if you had the choice between running for president has a convicted felon or not running as a _ convicted felon or not running as a convicted felon, you are probably— as a convicted felon, you are probably far not to be a convicted felon. so it will take _ convicted felon. so it will take some time for us to really find out — take some time for us to really find out what's going to happen politically with this. but already, the trial has had a real— already, the trial has had a real impact, because for five weeks. — real impact, because for five weeks, donald trump has been sitting — weeks, donald trump has been sitting in— weeks, donald trump has been sitting in that courtroom, his campaign _ sitting in that courtroom, his campaign has been singularly focused — campaign has been singularly focused on this trial, while the — focused on this trial, while the biden campaign, while travelling in the polls, has been — travelling in the polls, has been out there setting up its infrastructure in the battleground states. —— while trailing — battleground states. —— while trailing in _ battleground states. —— while trailing in the polls. ithink the — trailing in the polls. ithink the destruction that this has caused _ the destruction that this has caused for the trump campaign has been — caused for the trump campaign has been the most damaging thing — has been the most damaging thing so _ has been t