Transcripts For BBCNEWS Newscast 20240613

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pay less lax — consistent over the next two weeks, pay less tax under the tories or more _ pay less tax under the tories or more tax — pay less tax under the tories or more tax under labour. i had so days to me _ more tax under labour. i had so days to me just— more tax under labour. i had so days to me just say— more tax under labour. i had so days to me just say to me two days ago they were — to me just say to me two days ago they were thinking about voting for reform _ they were thinking about voting for reform but their taxes would go up and pension might be hit because it puts labour in. without me provoking it, puts labour in. without me provoking it. that's _ puts labour in. without me provoking it, that's come spontaneously back firm people on the street. david davis, firm people on the street. david davis. thank _ firm people on the street. david davis, thank you _ firm people on the street. david davis, thank you very _ firm people on the street. david davis, thank you very much - firm people on the street. david davis, thank you very much forl firm people on the street. d— c davis, thank you very much for that. we'll wait to see the messages that come from this debate, tax will surely be part of that, halfway through the campaign, three more weeks to go. through the campaign, three more weeks to go— through the campaign, three more weeks to no. ., . ., . weeks to go. damon, thanks for much for now. now it's time for newscast. an important announcement to make. that's the reaction i was looking for. it is actually pretty good. i am quite pleased. 0ur for. it is actually pretty good. i am quite pleased. our plans for election night itself on the night of the lith ofjuly. we are going to open up the theatre and turn into a giant living room and invite loads of people, newscasters and to come and watch we are going to have a modest food and drink but a giant telly. modest food and drink but a giant tell . ., , modest food and drink but a giant tell . ., . how modest food and drink but a giant telly-_ how big _ modest food and drink but a giant telly._ how big is - modest food and drink but a giant telly._ how big is big? i modest food and drink but a giant. telly._ how big is big? it's telly. how big? how big is big? it's auoin to telly. how big? how big is big? it's going to be — telly. how big? how big is big? it's going to be pretty— telly. how big? how big is big? it's going to be pretty big. _ telly. how big? how big is big? it's going to be pretty big. it _ telly. how big? how big is big? it's going to be pretty big. it is - going to be pretty big. it is going to last a long time because it will be there for my ten at night when laura will see that on the exit polls right through to the next day. basically you are inviting all of our lovely newscasters who a big party _ our lovely newscasters who a big party and — our lovely newscasters who a big party and i— our lovely newscasters who a big party and i know i can't come. thats— party and i know i can't come. that's so— party and i know i can't come. that's so out of line.— party and i know i can't come. that's so out of line. you will be doinu that's so out of line. you will be doing the _ that's so out of line. you will be doing the only — that's so out of line. you will be doing the only thing _ that's so out of line. you will be doing the only thing that - that's so out of line. you will be doing the only thing that you - that's so out of line. you will be | doing the only thing that you find more fun than socialising which is talking about politics for m hours. no, hang on. a point of principle i want _ no, hang on. a point of principle i want it— no, hang on. a point of principle i want it on— no, hang on. a point of principle i want it on the record i am deeply, deeply— want it on the record i am deeply, deeply unhappy about the big newscast party being planned and i'm not invited _ newscast party being planned and i'm not invited. you've planned the party— not invited. you've planned the party knowing. you not invited. you've planned the party knowing-— not invited. you've planned the party knowing. you are invited but ou are party knowing. you are invited but you are otherwise _ party knowing. you are invited but you are otherwise engaged. - party knowing. you are invited but you are otherwise engaged. but i party knowing. you are invited but i you are otherwise engaged. but you knew that when _ you are otherwise engaged. but you knew that when he _ you are otherwise engaged. but you knew that when he planned - you are otherwise engaged. but you knew that when he planned it. - you are otherwise engaged. but you knew that when he planned it. it - you are otherwise engaged. but you knew that when he planned it. it is. knew that when he planned it. it is outrageous— knew that when he planned it. it is outrageous get on with it. 0utrageous! outrageous get on with it. outrageous!— outrageous get on with it. outraueous! �* , ., outrageous! let's get on with the e - isode. outrageous! let's get on with the episode- you _ outrageous! let's get on with the episode. you are _ outrageous! let's get on with the episode. you are invited - outrageous! let's get on with the episode. you are invited all- outrageous! let's get on with the episode. you are invited all the l episode. you are invited all the time. let's get on with this episode. hello, adam in the studio. and joe in the studio. _ hello, adam in the studio. and joe in the studio. and _ hello, adam in the studio. and joe in the studio. and laura _ hello, adam in the studio. and joe in the studio. and laura in the - in the studio. and laura in the studio. still— in the studio. and laura in the studio. still not _ in the studio. and laura in the studio. still not invited. - in the studio. and laura in the studio. still not invited. but. in the studio. and laura in the i studio. still not invited. but you are invited _ studio. still not invited. but you are invited here. _ studio. still not invited. but you are invited here. that's - studio. still not invited. but you are invited here. that's the - are invited here. that's the definition of being invited. journalists were invited, seamless link to greater manchester on thursday morning to see keir starmer and the shadow cabinet unveiled labour's manifesto. this is the weird thing, i mean, the manifesto was finalised a few days ago at that meeting we have with the unions and other stakeholders but actually a lot of that they've been discussing for years. lot of that they've been discussing for ears. �* ., for years. and the important thing to understand _ for years. and the important thing to understand is _ for years. and the important thing to understand is this _ for years. and the important thing to understand is this is _ for years. and the important thing to understand is this is part - for years. and the important thing to understand is this is part of - to understand is this is part of keir starmer�*s very carefully worked out flow chart of, you know, sort out, when the leadership election, sort out the party, start to make the public arguments, get the public hopefully to trust you, spell out his party mission for government, start giving more of the detail, then culminate in a manifesto that hopefully wins the election. wherever that stage five or six of his very, very carefully worked out flow chart that he drew with his close staff, you know, some years ago and very deliberately, this is not a moment of, oh my god, what fireworks come i can't imagine that they've come up with this huge tax cuts or these huge tax rise to pay for this amazing thing or, while, they've really grasp the nettle and are going to ban smartphones for under 16 �*s which we know some parents want, some parents don't want it at all. so we knew that this was actually going to have, at its heart, when really simple thing, we are not a risk. we told you everything we are going to do. this is it. but what's interesting to me is it. but what's interesting to me is it. but what's interesting to me is it went by clockwork, even the heckler is someone who could have been drafted in by labour. it heckler is someone who could have been drafted in by labour.- been drafted in by labour. it was interesting. _ been drafted in by labour. it was interesting, the _ been drafted in by labour. it was interesting, the heckler, - been drafted in by labour. it was| interesting, the heckler, because been drafted in by labour. it was i interesting, the heckler, because it was about— interesting, the heckler, because it was about young people, wasn't it? do more _ was about young people, wasn't it? do more for— was about young people, wasn't it? do more for youth. and i sort of thought— do more for youth. and i sort of thought it — do more for youth. and i sort of thought it was a proper protester in that sense — thought it was a proper protester in that sense. you are absolutely right — that sense. you are absolutely right it — that sense. you are absolutely right. it sort of felt part of, almost, _ right. it sort of felt part of, almost, the unveiling, if you like. there _ almost, the unveiling, if you like. there was— almost, the unveiling, if you like. there was something that did slightly— there was something that did slightly surprised me and that was richard _ slightly surprised me and that was richard walker appearing, the businessman, the ceo of iceland and of course _ businessman, the ceo of iceland and of course until last year i think in the autumn— of course until last year i think in the autumn was a conservative. and was standing as a perspective or wanted — was standing as a perspective or wanted to— was standing as a perspective or wanted to stand up and i should say as a prospective candidate but perhaps— as a prospective candidate but perhaps wasn't selected and there he was as— perhaps wasn't selected and there he was as one _ perhaps wasn't selected and there he was as one of the warm—up acts for keir starmer— was as one of the warm—up acts for keir starmer unveiling that very glossy— keir starmer unveiling that very glossy full of pictures manifesto with sleeves rolled up and ready to -et with sleeves rolled up and ready to get to _ with sleeves rolled up and ready to get to work. and it underlined that whole _ get to work. and it underlined that whole image change that you talked about _ whole image change that you talked about some of the whole flow chart, the plan. _ about some of the whole flow chart, the plan, we are a changed party, and we _ the plan, we are a changed party, and we are — the plan, we are a changed party, and we are not the party ofjeremy corbyn. _ and we are not the party ofjeremy corbyn. his— and we are not the party ofjeremy corbyn, his predecessor and it looks different. _ corbyn, his predecessor and it looks different, we are pro—business, ready— different, we are pro—business, ready to — different, we are pro—business, ready to go, wealth creation. it was all about— ready to go, wealth creation. it was all about wealth creation. he ready to go, wealth creation. it was all about wealth creation.— all about wealth creation. he said that word a _ all about wealth creation. he said that word a lot. _ all about wealth creation. he said that word a lot. this _ all about wealth creation. he said that word a lot. this is _ all about wealth creation. he said that word a lot. this is one - all about wealth creation. he said that word a lot. this is one of - that word a lot. this is one of the thins that word a lot. this is one of the things that's _ that word a lot. this is one of the things that's on _ that word a lot. this is one of the things that's on my _ that word a lot. this is one of the things that's on my list _ that word a lot. this is one of the things that's on my list that - that word a lot. this is one of the things that's on my list that this i things that's on my list that this is a topsy—turvy election. you've got the tories checking out lots and lots of policies in the way opposition parties often do and saying it will all be paid for by tax avoidance which is something that opposition parties often also do. and then you've got the labour party. do. and then you've got the labour pa . �* do. and then you've got the labour pa . r . ., , ., do. and then you've got the labour pa . . . ., , ., ., do. and then you've got the labour pa. ., .,., party. are clamping down on tax avoidance- _ party. are clamping down on tax avoidance. a _ party. are clamping down on tax avoidance. a freudian _ party. are clamping down on tax avoidance. a freudian slip - party. are clamping down on tax| avoidance. a freudian slip there. party. are clamping down on tax i avoidance. a freudian slip there. it would be quite _ avoidance. a freudian slip there. it would be quite refreshing. - avoidance. a freudian slip there. it would be quite refreshing. well- would be quite refreshing. well spotted. yes, you know, the sort of topsy—turvy election the tories with this long shopping list of asks paid for by clamping down on tax avoidance and you've got labour saying, well, yes, wealth creation is at the top of our list and that is kind of topsy—turvy, right? and you've got labour saying we are studying as kinko's, it's the kind of thing you would expect the government to say, don't risk it, don't risk it, which is also the tories are saying about labour, but there are a lot of things that are quite upside down about this election. the other thing that is interesting about this election to me is before hand, you know, there were quite a lot of people around the place who would say, welcome it was very cruelly put to me once that it would be a contest between dell and dell are, which is very mean, i felt at the time and i still feel right now, but actually, even though the campaign has been heavily scripted, as they always are, even though neither keir starmer nor rishi sunak go in for fireworks, actually, there have been some wild stories in this campaign, notjust rishi sunak leaving d—day early but also the story about craig williamson, rishi sunak�*s pps, close parliamentary aid putting it back on the date of the election and then basically being gobbled for it, which is against the rules if you have inside information. and there have inside information. and there have been a lot of surprising things that have happened during this campaign, even though as labour �*s launch was today, it was absolutely scripted, every single second with those very moving introductions by people who had a personal story of why they are supporting the labour party, introduction from angela rayner, keir starmer then stands up, jacket off, sleeves rolled up. it's been scripted from their point of view because they are —— they are number one thing is do not make a mistake. ,, ., ., mistake. keir starmer the labour leader delivering _ mistake. keir starmer the labour leader delivering some _ mistake. keir starmer the labour leader delivering some of - mistake. keir starmer the labour leader delivering some of that . leader delivering some of that script. leader delivering some of that scri t. ~ . leader delivering some of that scri t_ . ., ., leader delivering some of that scrit. ~ . ., , script. we have a plan in this manifesto. — script. we have a plan in this manifesto, a _ script. we have a plan in this manifesto, a total— script. we have a plan in this manifesto, a total change . script. we have a plan in this manifesto, a total change of| manifesto, a total change of direction, laserfocused manifesto, a total change of direction, laser focused on our thoughts, _ direction, laser focused on our thoughts, stability, growth, or investment and reform. a government back in— investment and reform. a government back in the _ investment and reform. a government back in the service of your family ready— back in the service of your family ready to — back in the service of your family ready to change britain. so i make no apologies for being careful with working _ no apologies for being careful with working people's money and no apologies for rolling out tax rises. let me _ apologies for rolling out tax rises. let me spell it out. we will not raise _ let me spell it out. we will not raise income tax. we will not raise national— raise income tax. we will not raise national insurance, we will not raise _ national insurance, we will not raise vat~ _ national insurance, we will not raise vat. that is a manifesto commitment. so raise vat. that is a manifesto commitment.— raise vat. that is a manifesto commitment. . �*, ., commitment. so that's how it looked and sounded. — commitment. so that's how it looked and sounded, just _ commitment. so that's how it looked and sounded, just in _ commitment. so that's how it looked and sounded, just in terms _ commitment. so that's how it looked and sounded, just in terms of - commitment. so that's how it looked and sounded, just in terms of some i and sounded, just in terms of some of the numbers, the costing charts. tell us about that. and so i will just read it out, so revenue from closing further non—down tax loopholes, so people who live in the uk but to make earnings abroad and don't pay the same amount of tax as everyone else and also tax avoidance, as laura was saying. labour reckoned that would raise 5.2 billion, then applying vat to private school fees and changing vat for how private schools work. carried interest, which is a type of interest that financial services people make, if they close that loophole that raises half a billion, and then a change to some stamp duty for non—uk residents, that's another 40 for non—uk residents, that's another a0 million. 50 the total increase in taxes, not necessarily tax increases because tax avoidance... taxes, not necessarily tax increases because tax avoidance. . ._ because tax avoidance... some of them are revenue _ because tax avoidance... some of them are revenue raises. - because tax avoidance... some of them are revenue raises. 7.3 - them are revenue raises. 7.3 billion. what _ them are revenue raises. 7.3 billion. what struck - them are revenue raises. 7.3 billion. what struck me - them are revenue raises. 7.3| billion. what struck me about them are revenue raises. 7.3 - billion. what struck me about that is it reminded _ billion. what struck me about that is it reminded me, _ billion. what struck me about that is it reminded me, not _ billion. what struck me about that is it reminded me, not that - billion. what struck me about that is it reminded me, not that i - billion. what struck me about that is it reminded me, not that i look| is it reminded me, not that i look at the _ is it reminded me, not that i look at the balance sheets or spreadsheets very often, but it really — spreadsheets very often, but it really was costed in such a detailed way to— really was costed in such a detailed way to back— really was costed in such a detailed way to back up they are repeated claims _ way to back up they are repeated claims that we haven't got any unfunded _ claims that we haven't got any unfunded or un—costed policies. but on politics— unfunded or un—costed policies. but on politics live today, i was just interested — on politics live today, i was just interested to find out when it comes to the _ interested to find out when it comes to the economy in general and their plan for— to the economy in general and their plan for growth, that they would have _ plan for growth, that they would have in— plan for growth, that they would have in their minds what they would like that— have in their minds what they would like that growth rate to be or what they think— like that growth rate to be or what they think it needs to be in order to fund _ they think it needs to be in order to fund and — they think it needs to be in order to fund and pay for everything else. it to fund and pay for everything else. it turns— to fund and pay for everything else. it turns out, — to fund and pay for everything else. it turns out, well, luke pollard wasn't — it turns out, well, luke pollard wasn't sure _ it turns out, well, luke pollard wasn't sure exactly but probably about _ wasn't sure exactly but probably about two and half percent. it was fascinating — about two and half percent. it was fascinating just to say the plan for growth _ fascinating just to say the plan for growth is — fascinating just to say the plan for growth is there, we've got an industrial— growth is there, we've got an industrial strategy. we are going to .row industrial strategy. we are going to grow the _ industrial strategy. we are going to grow the economy, and when i looked at the _ grow the economy, and when i looked at the growth levels over the last 14 years. — at the growth levels over the last 14 years. it — at the growth levels over the last 14 years, it has been pretty rare to -et 14 years, it has been pretty rare to get about— 14 years, it has been pretty rare to get about two and half percent. the pandemic— get about two and half percent. the pandemic is slightly different because the economy sank like a stone _ because the economy sank like a stone. there was a bounce back that was quite _ stone. there was a bounce back that was quite high, but generally it's been _ was quite high, but generally it's been really quite difficult to get two and — been really quite difficult to get two and half percent. and if you are predicated — two and half percent. and if you are predicated in the sort of success of labour, referring to labour, back under— labour, referring to labour, back under tony— labour, referring to labour, back under tony blair labour, referring to labour, back undertony blairand labour, referring to labour, back under tony blair and gordon brown, you are _ under tony blair and gordon brown, you are conjuring up an image of a sustained — you are conjuring up an image of a sustained growth rate of two 1/2—3% that isn't— sustained growth rate of two 1/2—3% that isn't going to be that easy if at all— that isn't going to be that easy if at all achievable to actually reach. two things— at all achievable to actually reach. two things i think are interesting about that, just made me think that what happens to government if labour wins commits as has happened to the tories, actually they are so buffeted by events and really the destinies of most governments are shaped in the end by what happens thatis shaped in the end by what happens that is beyond their control. 50 evenif that is beyond their control. 50 even if they put all sorts of amazing measures and to get the economy growing, if labour wins the election, actually, so much of how fast it grows, whether it grows at all is about what happens in the rest of the world and what happens with things they can't control, as rishi sunak this week discovered, he can't say the economy has been growing any more because it rained a lot in april and growth that had happened ended up not happening at all and that is a problem for him this week because it means that he cannot make that argument based on the recent figures. the other thing it made me think of, you were talking about that moment with luke pollard. actually, there have been quite a few tricky little moments for labour spokespeople out and about doing tv and radio interviews, where they haven't quite been able to answer the question in ways that labour hq might want. but because of the big bold primary colours and the way a the big bold primary colours and the waya campaign the big bold primary colours and the way a campaign works and partly because of rishi sunak�*s d—day disaster having such a long hangover and also the big events like the debate, there hasn't been that much pick—up of some of the slight awkward missteps or not that great handling of... like awkward missteps or not that great handling of- - -_ handling of... like for example? emily thornberry. _ handling of... like for example? emily thornberry. emily - handling of... like for example? i emily thornberry. emily thornberry talkin: emily thornberry. emily thornberry talking about private _ emily thornberry. emily thornberry talking about private schools and i talking about private schools and class sizes might be bigger if labour goes forward with its vat plan, which could result in parents taking their kids out of private schools because they can't afford it any more. there have been a few things where people just haven't quite known the answer, and if the campaign dynamic overall was different and the tory party was in a better place, then you might see the opposition spokespeople, and i don't want to say gaff, because i don't want to say gaff, because i don't think there's been huge labour gaffes, but there have certainly been moments. so gaffes, but there have certainly been moments. 50 luke pollard today, in different times, there might have been a story running quite hard today saying shadow cabinet minister couldn't even say how much the economy would grow under a labour government. you know, the overall dynamics of the campaign, of course, have an impact of where attention gets captured. but some people have said to me the last few days, that's evidence they are actually not that good, and if they do when they will get in and actually might be a disaster because they don't really know what they are doing. i don't think it necessarily proves that at all, isjust interesting under the radar, there have been things going on where labour spokespeople, as it happens often in a campaign frankly. the scrutiny is so great. and also you are _ the scrutiny is so great. and also you are being asked about a level of detail— you are being asked about a level of detail that _ you are being asked about a level of detail that isn't necessarily your particular— detail that isn't necessarily your particular area of expertise. i mean, _ particular area of expertise. i mean. it— particular area of expertise. i mean, it was interesting and i thought— mean, it was interesting and i thought quite telling the emily thornberry response about perhaps there _ thornberry response about perhaps there will— thornberry response about perhaps there will be some larger classrooms in state _ there will be some larger classrooms in state schools. well, there is a logic— in state schools. well, there is a logic to — in state schools. well, there is a logic to that, i suppose. she was thinkin: logic to that, i suppose. she was thinking about _ logic to that, i suppose. she was thinking about it _ logic to that, i suppose. she was thinking about it in _ logic to that, i suppose. she was thinking about it in real- logic to that, i suppose. she was thinking about it in realtime. - logic to that, i suppose. she was | thinking about it in realtime. and ou can thinking about it in realtime. and you can really _ thinking about it in real time. and you can really see that with people when _ you can really see that with people when they— you can really see that with people when they are coming onto the programme and i am forever grateful that they— programme and i am forever grateful that they do, because they are thinking — that they do, because they are thinking through these things in real time — thinking through these things in real time. ., .., thinking through these things in realtime. ., , real time. you can see the cogs wearin: , real time. you can see the cogs wearing. can't— real time. you can see the cogs wearing, can't you? _ real time. you can see the cogs wearing, can't you? you - real time. you can see the cogs - wearing, can't you? you absolutely can and we — wearing, can't you? you absolutely can and we thought _ wearing, can't you? you absolutely can and we thought of _ wearing, can't you? you absolutely can and we thought of the - wearing, can't you? you absolutelyl can and we thought of the questions and how— can and we thought of the questions and how to — can and we thought of the questions and how to ask them and get different— and how to ask them and get different sort of responses. but also what — different sort of responses. but also what you are reminded of it is in those _ also what you are reminded of it is in those arenas where labour is facing _ in those arenas where labour is facing tories, of course, they are the party— facing tories, of course, they are the party that is going to be governments, one or other of them, and then— governments, one or other of them, and then he — governments, one or other of them, and then he got the other parties, like the _ and then he got the other parties, like the liberal democrats and the snp and _ like the liberal democrats and the snp and the greens that are getting a bit more _ snp and the greens that are getting a bit more exposure. they are getting — a bit more exposure. they are getting pressure from the other direction — getting pressure from the other direction. so when labour's case, you've _ direction. so when labour's case, you've got — direction. so when labour's case, you've got the left of their party, their— you've got the left of their party, their left— you've got the left of their party, their left flank, if you like, saying. _ their left flank, if you like, saying, yes, we would like a labour government, but it is not ambitious enough _ government, but it is not ambitious enough we — government, but it is not ambitious enough. we can't tell the difference between _ enough. we can't tell the difference between labour and the conservatives, so you see all the spokespeople trying to deal with the conservatives here and trying to deal with — conservatives here and trying to deal with the criticism in the middle — deal with the criticism in the middle of a campaign. find deal with the criticism in the middle of a campaign. and there is also a big brewing _ middle of a campaign. and there is also a big brewing brouhaha - middle of a campaign. and there is also a big brewing brouhaha a - also a big brewing brouhaha a brewing brouhaha. so keir starmer said the tory manifest her is like the jeremy corbyn said the tory manifest her is like thejeremy corbyn manifesto, almost sort of dripping with contempt. remember, newscasters, keir starmer signed up to not one but twojeremy corbyn manifesto sand in the last couple of hours, jeremy corbyn has had a pop back at keir starmer and saying, "welcome i think it's very regrettable." i am paraphrasing, he was in the room when he signed off commits a bit recordable when he went out and said that. he is getting it from the left, of course, when you talk to keir starmer troopers, you know, their evidence is that they are miles ahead in the polls. they are on course for a clear victory as things stand, and of people on the left are unhappy, well, so be at the end they took a strategic decision along time ago that's upsetting the left was worth it, which is why you always hear keir starmer say country before party, country before party, country before party. and it reminds me of, you know, there was a question from i think it was conference 2021 and i asked him what was more important community or winning, because in his first phase of the leadership, he was still trying to say, oh, look, i want to be friends with everybody in the labour party. i was part of the corbyn project, my policies are jeremy corbyn friendly. i thought it was be an interesting question to ask and because it was a difficulty for him to try to keep the party together and i said what is more important unity or winning. and quick as a flash, he almost interrupted me before i got to the end of the question, he said winning. and that is almost obvious that they made that decision along time ago, so grumbles from the left today. if you talk to keir starmer, you know, his close allies, it is a what ever. they turn it to their advantage. what ever. they turn it to their advantage-— what ever. they turn it to their advantage. what ever. they turn it to their advantaae. ., , ., ., , advantage. your question about unity or winnin: , advantage. your question about unity or winning. to — advantage. your question about unity or winning, to some _ advantage. your question about unity or winning, to some extent, - advantage. your question about unity or winning, to some extent, that - advantage. your question about unity or winning, to some extent, that was j or winning, to some extent, that was underlined _ or winning, to some extent, that was underlined by that question in the programme, the sky programme about jeremy— programme, the sky programme about jeremy corbyn and keir starmer saying _ jeremy corbyn and keir starmer saying he — jeremy corbyn and keir starmer saying he would make great prime minister~ _ saying he would make great prime minister. why did you say that? did you believe — minister. why did you say that? did you believe that at the time in 2019? — you believe that at the time in 2019? and keir starmer set i knew we were going _ 2019? and keir starmer set i knew we were going to lose. i was certain we were _ were going to lose. i was certain we were going — were going to lose. i was certain we were going to lose. i was certain we were going to lose. i was certain we were going to lose. and this sort of, were going to lose. and this sort of. you _ were going to lose. and this sort of. you are — were going to lose. and this sort of, you are left with that feeling, that sort— of, you are left with that feeling, that sort of taste of oh. 0ur politicians slightly unclear about their loyalties and commitments? and that's not a their loyalties and commitments? fific that's not a great answer. it doesn't say i was telling the truth or it doesn't say i wasn't telling the truth. it's not a great answer. i think... he didn't have a clear answer to that. i'm sure he will be asked out again.— asked out again. reading the document — asked out again. reading the document. it _ asked out again. reading the document. it is _ asked out again. reading the document. it is very - asked out again. reading the document. it is very long - asked out again. reading thej document. it is very long and asked out again. reading the - document. it is very long and there is a lot of detail in there. and if you are providing a lot... 0k, some of the measures might be quite small potatoes thanks to people who are quite technocratic tweaks to the planning system that quite —— that sounds quite dull, but as soon as you start laying out that level of detail, you provide fodderfor your enemies tojump on detail, you provide fodderfor your enemies to jump on things. 0k, detail, you provide fodderfor your enemies tojump on things. ok, the conservative party might not be having an amazing election campaign in terms of the optics and the polls, and the prime minister's performance and people disagreeing with each other, but they do have pretty good researchers who go through these things with a magnifying glass and find things that could be potentially exploited as weaknesses.— that could be potentially exploited as weaknesses. hostage to fortune. that's what — as weaknesses. hostage to fortune. that's what manifesto _ as weaknesses. hostage to fortune. that's what manifesto 's _ as weaknesses. hostage to fortune. that's what manifesto 's quite - as weaknesses. hostage to fortune. that's what manifesto 's quite oftenj that's what manifesto 's quite often are and _ that's what manifesto 's quite often are and what do parties they? well, events— are and what do parties they? well, events have — are and what do parties they? well, events have happened, we have had to change _ events have happened, we have had to change course. we have heard endlessly— change course. we have heard endlessly from keir starmer in terms of the _ endlessly from keir starmer in terms of the platform he stood on to become — of the platform he stood on to become leader of the party. a lot of water— become leader of the party. a lot of water has _ become leader of the party. a lot of water has gone under the bridge come about, _ water has gone under the bridge come about, you _ water has gone under the bridge come about, you are right, people will go through— about, you are right, people will go through it _ about, you are right, people will go through it with a fine tooth comb, and they— through it with a fine tooth comb, and they have been careful in a lot of the _ and they have been careful in a lot of the content of that manifesto and they have _ of the content of that manifesto and they have gone over it and no doubt focused _ they have gone over it and no doubt focused grouped quite a lot of hits. they will be so relieved if they win the election that they are there, we can wait— the election that they are there, we can wait to — the election that they are there, we can wait to talk about the majority if they _ can wait to talk about the majority if they do— can wait to talk about the majority if they do win, and to use the language _ if they do win, and to use the language of the conservatives that all of— language of the conservatives that all of that— language of the conservatives that all of that can be worked out at a later— all of that can be worked out at a later stage. all of that can be worked out at a later stage-— later stage. rishi sunak was reactin: later stage. rishi sunak was reacting to _ later stage. rishi sunak was reacting to the _ later stage. rishi sunak was reacting to the labour- later stage. rishi sunak was - reacting to the labour manifesto today saying it was a blank check that labour were asking for from the country and it would also mean the highest taxes in history. i'm sure economists will quibble over the definition of that. interesting, rishi sunak was having to say that from italy, where he is representing the uk at the g7 summit, like pm business continues.— the uk at the g7 summit, like pm business continues. that's right. he has another — business continues. that's right. he has another opportunity _ business continues. that's right. he has another opportunity in - business continues. that's right. he has another opportunity in the - business continues. that's right. he has another opportunity in the next | has another opportunity in the next couple of days to look statesman—like and hang out with hobnob with world leaders and the labour manifesto, even though they have been so careful about it, does give the tory �*s room to say, look, taxes will go up and importantly, they are not ruling out putting out other taxes like capital gains tax, so that question of division between the two parties and the potential for the tories to attack the labour party over taxes is absolutely still there and i am sure we are going to hear that again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again. i will stop there. i again and again and again. i will stop there-— again and again and again. i will sto there. . , ., again and again and again. i will sto there. .,, ., i. stop there. i was wondering when you were auoin stop there. i was wondering when you were going to — stop there. i was wondering when you were going to stop. _ stop there. i was wondering when you were going to stop. laura, _ stop there. i was wondering when you were going to stop. laura, i _ stop there. i was wondering when you were going to stop. laura, i know - were going to stop. laura, i know ou have were going to stop. laura, i know you have got _ were going to stop. laura, i know you have got to — were going to stop. laura, i know you have got to go _ were going to stop. laura, i know you have got to go in _ were going to stop. laura, i know you have got to go in a _ were going to stop. laura, i know you have got to go in a second, i were going to stop. laura, i know i you have got to go in a second, but a big philosophical question because now that we have had the liberal democrats manifesto on monday, the tory manifesto on tuesday, the green party manifesto on wednesday, the applied camry manifesto today, reform will do theirs and the snp will do theirs at the start of next week. once they are out there in black and white and everybody has gone through them with highlighters... gone through them with highlighters. . ._ gone through them with highlighters... and many highlighters... you have. and many others in this _ highlighters... you have. and many others in this building, _ highlighters... you have. and many others in this building, to _ highlighters... you have. and many others in this building, to be - others in this building, to be clear. does that mean it is over? == clear. does that mean it is over? -- plaid cymru- — clear. does that mean it is over? » plaid cymru. no, because things could still go wrong. all sorts of things could happen. all sorts of blunders could still be made. there are lots more debates and interviews and all sorts of things. no, it's not over. not in any way. but in terms of the actual deliberate... the choreographed... the dilbert moments are _ the choreographed... the dilbert moments are sort _ the choreographed. .. the dilbert moments are sort of— the choreographed... the dilbert moments are sort of over. - the choreographed... the dilbert moments are sort of over. as - the choreographed... the dilbert moments are sort of over. as we | the choreographed... the dilbert - moments are sort of over. as we said at the beginning, or did i say this on the tv version? i can't remember. let me say and you can decide. you have mood, manifesto, message. we are now into the message moment where we are going to have a campaign messages again and again, and to that point, when you're interviewing politicians, it becomes harder and harder and harder to think of ways to try to knock them off their script because they all become so practised with crowe barring the things they want to get across into every single answer that you can sort of, it's not like playing bingo, it'sjust like pressing play on the script. it's a real challenge, you know, very important and a big piece of work, but as interviewers and journalists, it becomes harder and harder to try to get them to engage in the substance of a conversation about what they are doing in power rather than just press f7 and here you what they are doing in power rather thanjust press f7 and here you go, here is the slogan, and i'm sure our viewers can already cite it. clear plan for bold action, for a secure long—term future. plan for bold action, for a secure long-term future.— plan for bold action, for a secure long-term future. well remembered. ma be long-term future. well remembered. maybe that's — long-term future. well remembered. maybe that's just _ long-term future. well remembered. maybe that'sjust me. _ long-term future. well remembered. maybe that'sjust me. what - long-term future. well remembered. maybe that'sjust me. what does - long-term future. well remembered. maybe that'sjust me. what does f7 i maybe that's 'ust me. what does f7 do? can i maybe that'sjust me. what does f7 do? can liust _ maybe that'sjust me. what does f7 do? can ijust ask— maybe that'sjust me. what does f7 do? can i just ask a _ maybe that'sjust me. what does f7 do? can ijust ask a question. - do? can ijust ask a question. before — do? can ijust ask a question. before you _ do? can ijust ask a question. before you malfunction. yes? just ruickl , before you malfunction. yes? just quickly. do _ before you malfunction. yes? just quickly. do we _ before you malfunction. yes? just quickly, do we think, _ before you malfunction. yes? just quickly, do we think, as _ before you malfunction. yes? just quickly, do we think, as i - before you malfunction. is" just quickly, do we think, as i suspect and maybe — quickly, do we think, as i suspect and maybe you guys know that if labour _ and maybe you guys know that if labour when the election that they will go _ labour when the election that they will go longer into the summer, a shorter— will go longer into the summer, a shorter break and we may come back earlier— shorter break and we may come back earlier in. _ shorter break and we may come back earlier in, well, we can't come back earlier— earlier in, well, we can't come back earlier because i think we were coming — earlier because i think we were coming back early anyway. they will want to _ coming back early anyway. they will want to say — coming back early anyway. they will want to say we are going to get down to work. _ want to say we are going to get down to work, a bit like the rolled up sleeves — to work, a bit like the rolled up sleeves on _ to work, a bit like the rolled up sleeves on the manifesto. | to work, a bit like the rolled up sleeves on the manifesto. i forgot to mention _ sleeves on the manifesto. i forgot to mention that, _ sleeves on the manifesto. i forgot to mention that, and _ sleeves on the manifesto. i forgot to mention that, and i— sleeves on the manifesto. i forgot to mention that, and i did - sleeves on the manifesto. i forgot to mention that, and i did right. sleeves on the manifesto. i forgot to mention that, and i did right in| to mention that, and i did right in the story today in my newsletter which you can subscribe to yes, several sources have told me this is the plan, there is no concrete decision from of the plan as it stands because keir starmer want so much to get on with everything is that they are giving very, very serious consideration to keeping parliament open for longer and mp5 therefore having a shorter summer holiday. who knows? by the time to get to polling day, they might be so knackered they change their mind. yes, that is the case as i understand it but with no final decision. figs understand it but with no final decision. �* . . understand it but with no final decision. . , . , ., decision. as i have said before in our first decision. as i have said before in your first 100 _ decision. as i have said before in your first 100 days, _ decision. as i have said before in your first 100 days, you - decision. as i have said before in your first 100 days, you do - decision. as i have said before in your first 100 days, you do not i decision. as i have said before in i your first 100 days, you do not want yourfirst100 days, you do not want a3 of them to be holidays. your first 100 days, you do not want 43 of them to be holidays.— a3 of them to be holidays. really? keir starmer _ a3 of them to be holidays. really? keir starmer hates _ a3 of them to be holidays. really? keir starmer hates being - a3 of them to be holidays. really? keir starmer hates being in - keir starmer hates being in opposition, he wants to win in order to do things, and to do things at a summer election and hang around and have three weeks of parliament being shocked, it's a bit odd. i do have to go. so goodbye everybody. goodbye, laurel. ifkla to go. so goodbye everybody. goodbye, laurel.— to go. so goodbye everybody. goodbye, laurel. no one thinks of the journalists, _ goodbye, laurel. no one thinks of the journalists, do _ goodbye, laurel. no one thinks of the journalists, do they? - goodbye, laurel. no one thinks of the journalists, do they? am - goodbye, laurel. no one thinks of the journalists, do they? am sure | the journalists, do they? am sure the journalists, do they? am sure the have the journalists, do they? am sure they have holidays. _ the journalists, do they? am sure they have holidays. thank- the journalists, do they? am sure they have holidays. thank you - the journalists, do they? am sure | they have holidays. thank you you very much. they have holidays. thank you you very much-— they have holidays. thank you you ve much. ., �* _, .,, very much. you're welcome. pleasure. newscast from — very much. you're welcome. pleasure. newscast from the _ very much. you're welcome. pleasure. newscast from the bbc. _ hello. we've seen some unusually windy weather for the time of year across western parts of the uk today. not only strong winds, also some heavy rain. this was the scene for a weather watcher on the west coast of wales. it all came courtesy of this stripe of cloud. on the earlier satellite picture, we saw wind gusts touching 60 mph in the isles of scilly. and this wet and rather blustery weather will be pushing its way northwards and eastwards overnight. the winds easing somewhat, some rather misty, murky conditions following on behind the main rain band. some clear skies, too, albeit with a scattering of showers, and a much milder start to tomorrow morning than we had this morning. double digit temperatures for most as we start the day tomorrow, but with this area of low pressure firmly in charge. and that is just going to lumber its way very slowly eastwards through the weekend. so it does remain very unsettled indeed. this band of heavy and quite persistent rain in the north of scotland, at least for a time, quite windy here as well. elsewhere, it'llturn into a sunshine and showers day, but there will be lots of those showers, some of them will be heavy with hail and thunder. but in the dry gaps between the showers, the sun is strong at this time of year, so it won't feel too bad. temperatures up to around 18, perhaps 19 celsius. but further showers through friday evening, in fact, this band of slightly more widespread rain pushing its way across northern ireland. and are low certainly still with us for the weekend. we've got bands of wet weather circulating around it. this area of rain here likely to hurtle its way westwards towards scotland. there's some uncertainty about exactly where this area of rain will end up, but the chance of some very heavy rain for parts of scotland. northern ireland, england, wales, sunny spells, heavy showers, temperatures of 13—17 celsius. 50 still a touch below par for the time of year. what about sunday? well, this area of low pressure still with us. this frontal system in the north likely to move a little bit further south. 50 rain moving across scotland down into northern ireland and northern england. also some showers likely to crop up across southern counties of england, parts of south wales. in between, perhaps a slice of somewhat drier and brighter weather. temperatures creeping upjust a little bit with highs of 1a—19 celsius. bye for now. rishi sunak is announced there will be a general election onjuly the ath. every american heart. you're watching the context on bbc news. live in the g7 summit in italy. can see president zelensky responding to what he called a truly historic day and ukraine signed a deal, deal of long—term support for ukraine in its war with russia and us presidentjoe biden and they look like they'll be taking questions the selected media. about two weeks ago, you changed course _ about two weeks ago, you changed course to— about two weeks ago, you changed course to allow— about two weeks ago, you changed course to allow ukraine _ about two weeks ago, you changed course to allow ukraine to - about two weeks ago, you changed course to allow ukraine to fire - about two weeks ago, you changed course to allow ukraine to fire us i course to allow ukraine to fire us weapons — course to allow ukraine to fire us weapons and _ course to allow ukraine to fire us weapons and to _ course to allow ukraine to fire us weapons and to russia, - course to allow ukraine to fire us weapons and to russia, given - course to allow ukraine to fire usj weapons and to russia, given the reported — weapons and to russia, given the reported successes, _ weapons and to russia, given the reported successes, which - weapons and to russia, given the reported successes, which are - reported successes, which are considered _ reported successes, which are considered further— reported successes, which are considered further expanding i reported successes, which are i considered further expanding the parameters — considered further expanding the parameters of _ considered further expanding the parameters of us _ considered further expanding the parameters of us weapons - considered further expanding the parameters of us weapons into i considered further expanding the - parameters of us weapons into russia despite _ parameters of us weapons into russia despite your— parameters of us weapons into russia despite your concerns _ parameters of us weapons into russia despite your concerns about _ despite your concerns about escalation? _ despite your concerns about escalation? in _ despite your concerns about escalation? in other- despite your concerns about escalation? in other news i despite your concerns about. escalation? in other news from despite your concerns about _ escalation? in other news from home, you're _ escalation? in other news from home, you're going _ escalation? in other news from home, you're going to— escalation? in other news from home, you're going to something _ escalation? in other news from home, you're going to something that - escalation? in other news from home, you're going to something that so - you're going to something that so many— you're going to something that so many american _ you're going to something that so many american families - you're going to something that so many american families go - you're going to something that so i many american families go through,

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