the qr code on the screen now it'll take you to bbc wales news. we asked the five main parties to choose their representatives tonight, and we drew lots to decide their position on the stage tonight, leader of welsh labour and first minister, vaughan gething, for the conservatives, welsh secretary david tc davies. oliver lewis for reform uk. jane dodds, leader of the welsh liberal democrats. and the leader of plaid cymru, you nap rather, please welcome apparel. —— and what really matters to you, the voters? let's have a quick idea from our audience, and we have asked them to some of the main issues for them in a sentence. starting with this lady. would i go abroad i get asked, where in england _ would i go abroad i get asked, where in england is— would i go abroad i get asked, where in england is wales? _ would i go abroad i get asked, where in england is wales? what _ would i go abroad i get asked, where in england is wales? what will- would i go abroad i get asked, where in england is wales? what will you i in england is wales? what will you do to— in england is wales? what will you do to get— in england is wales? what will you do to get wales _ in england is wales? what will you do to get wales on _ in england is wales? what will you do to get wales on the _ in england is wales? what will you do to get wales on the world - in england is wales? what will you i do to get wales on the world stage? the gentleman— do to get wales on the world stage? the gentleman in— do to get wales on the world stage? the gentleman in the _ do to get wales on the world stage? the gentleman in the spectacles. . do to get wales on the world stage? l the gentleman in the spectacles. the relationship between westminster and the senedd. _ relationship between westminster and the senedd. and — relationship between westminster and the senedd, and the _ relationship between westminster and the senedd, and the loss— relationship between westminster and the senedd, and the loss of— relationship between westminster and the senedd, and the loss of devolved i the senedd, and the loss of devolved powers _ the senedd, and the loss of devolved powers in— the senedd, and the loss of devolved powers in wales _ the senedd, and the loss of devolved powers in wales. find _ the senedd, and the loss of devolved powers in wales— the senedd, and the loss of devolved powers in wales-— powers in wales. and in the back. what will you _ powers in wales. and in the back. what will you do _ powers in wales. and in the back. what will you do for— powers in wales. and in the back. what will you do for welsh - what will you do for welsh agriculture _ what will you do for welsh agriculture and _ what will you do for welsh agriculture and security i what will you do for welsh agriculture and security in| what will you do for welsh i agriculture and security in our rural— agriculture and security in our rural communities? _ agriculture and security in our rural communities?— agriculture and security in our rural communities? going to our first question — rural communities? going to our first question with _ rural communities? going to our first question with goes - rural communities? going to our first question with goes from - first question with goes from reardonjones. first question with goes from reardon jones._ first question with goes from reardon jones. ~ , , . , reardon jones. with rising prices and bills at _ reardon jones. with rising prices and bills at an _ reardon jones. with rising prices and bills at an all-time _ reardon jones. with rising prices and bills at an all-time high, - reardon jones. with rising prices | and bills at an all-time high, what and bills at an all—time high, what will you _ and bills at an all—time high, what will you do— and bills at an all—time high, what will you do to _ and bills at an all—time high, what will you do to help _ and bills at an all—time high, what will you do to help people - and bills at an all—time high, what will you do to help people in - and bills at an all—time high, what will you do to help people in this. will you do to help people in this cost of— will you do to help people in this cost of living _ will you do to help people in this cost of living crisis? _ will you do to help people in this cost of living crisis?— cost of living crisis? david tc davies. cost of living crisis? david tc davies- we _ cost of living crisis? david tc davies. we must _ cost of living crisis? david tc. davies. we must acknowledge cost of living crisis? david tc- davies. we must acknowledge there has been a cost _ davies. we must acknowledge there has been a cost of _ davies. we must acknowledge there has been a cost of living _ davies. we must acknowledge there has been a cost of living crisis - davies. we must acknowledge there has been a cost of living crisis as - has been a cost of living crisis as a result of a pandemic and the war in ukraine and what that did to energy prices id 400 billion the government had to spend a respect that making sure that benefits and the minimum wage went out with inflation, we spent it on further schemes that save 100,000 jobs in wales, and paid fuel bills on behalf of everyone in 22—23. has it reached everyone? there will be people that hasn't reached, we have to make it a priority to reach those who are most in need, but if you look at our record on the economy, we have brought down inflation to 2%, unemployment, 3%, joint fastest growth in the g7 along with canada so we have a good plan for the economy which will help people including those most in need. lanthem including those most in need. when inflation goes _ including those most in need. when inflation goes up — including those most in need. when inflation goes up it _ including those most in need. when inflation goes up it is _ including those most in need. when inflation goes up it is not _ including those most in need. when inflation goes up it is not your - inflation goes up it is not your fault, when it comes down to claim credit. ., ., , ., credit. inflation went up from janua credit. inflation went up from january 2022 _ credit. inflation went up from january 2022 in _ credit. inflation went up from january 2022 in all— credit. inflation went up from january 2022 in all countries. credit. inflation went up from - january 2022 in all countries across january 2022 in all countries across europe because of the money governments had spent but bringing down inflation meant taking difficult decisions over spending and borrowing, we took those decisions and inflation is now down at a very low level and that is good for the economy, good forjobs and for the economy, good forjobs and for those most in need. for the economy, good for “obs and for those most in need._ for those most in need. vaughan gethina. for those most in need. vaughan gething- the _ for those most in need. vaughan gething. the cost _ for those most in need. vaughan gething. the cost of— for those most in need. vaughan gething. the cost of living - for those most in need. vaughan gething. the cost of living is - for those most in need. vaughan | gething. the cost of living is real, i have gething. the cost of living is real, i have heard _ gething. the cost of living is real, i have heard about _ gething. the cost of living is real, i have heard about it _ gething. the cost of living is real, i have heard about it on _ gething. the cost of living is real, i have heard about it on the - i have heard about it on the doorstep _ i have heard about it on the doorstep. i have heard families reiterating the reality of their mortgage and food bills. and those are directly affected by what the conservative government has done. the liz— conservative government has done. the liz truss mini budget permanently raised mortgages across the country. people are still paying the country. people are still paying the price _ the country. people are still paying the price for that now. it is another— the price for that now. it is another reason why we need change at this election. the opportunity for this election. the opportunity for this country to enjoy economic stability— this country to enjoy economic stability and then to seriously invest— stability and then to seriously invest in— stability and then to seriously invest in our future, winning more 'obs invest in our future, winning more jobs for— invest in our future, winning more jobs for people across our country in the _ jobs for people across our country in the energy of the future, the jobs _ in the energy of the future, the jobs and — in the energy of the future, the jobs and industries of the future. that is— jobs and industries of the future. that is our— jobs and industries of the future. that is our plan. notjust clean energy— that is our plan. notjust clean energy that is good for the planet but is _ energy that is good for the planet but is good forjobs and will mean that we _ but is good forjobs and will mean that we are — but is good forjobs and will mean that we are not vulnerable to foreign — that we are not vulnerable to foreign dictators like putin for future — foreign dictators like putin for future energy supply, and those are things— future energy supply, and those are things that — future energy supply, and those are things that you will get if you vote for change — things that you will get if you vote for change on the 4th ofjuly. we are roud for change on the 4th ofjuly. - are proud that 1500 unite union workers in tata will be going on strike straight after the election, what will the post—government to myth about that? you what will the post-government to myth about that?— what will the post-government to myth about that? you will have the welsh and westminster— myth about that? you will have the l welsh and westminster governments working _ welsh and westminster governments working together. in the manifesto there _ working together. in the manifesto there is— working together. in the manifesto there is aptly a place for 2.5 trillion— there is aptly a place for 2.5 billion to _ there is aptly a place for 2.5 billion to go alongside the other trillion— billion to go alongside the other billion that has not been spent to transform — billion that has not been spent to transform the steel sector. what we need is _ transform the steel sector. what we need is a _ transform the steel sector. what we need is a uk government fighting alongside what i've already done to fi-ht alongside what i've already done to fight for— alongside what i've already done to fight for those steelworkers' job and having a united front with tata because _ and having a united front with tata because people need steel for the industries of the future. renewable energy— industries of the future. renewable energy will need more steel, not less _ energy will need more steel, not less there — energy will need more steel, not less. there was a healthy future for the steel— less. there was a healthy future for the steel sector if we can maintain it. , ., , back the steel sector if we can maintain it-_ itack to _ the steel sector if we can maintain it._ back to the - the steel sector if we can maintain i it._ back to the question it. jane dodds. back to the question about what we _ it. jane dodds. back to the question about what we will _ it. jane dodds. back to the question about what we will do _ it. jane dodds. back to the question about what we will do about - it. jane dodds. back to the question about what we will do about the - it. jane dodds. back to the question| about what we will do about the cost of living, food and fuel have gone up of living, food and fuel have gone up 25% in the last two years. i read that if you're making a spaghetti bowl now, it costs £2 more than it did two years ago. that is a struggle for many families. one of the big factors is that even wales, we have 29% of children who are poon we have 29% of children who are poor, 29% child poverty, and my challenge to the conservatives and labour if they are in power is, will you abolish the two child cap on benefits, because that is making families poorer, and that is shameful, in 2024.- families poorer, and that is shameful, in 2024. won't get in, will ou shameful, in 2024. won't get in, will you abolish _ shameful, in 2024. won't get in, will you abolish the _ shameful, in 2024. won't get in, will you abolish the cap? - shameful, in 2024. won't get in, will you abolish the cap? we - shameful, in 2024. won't get in, | will you abolish the cap? we have shameful, in 2024. won't get in, i will you abolish the cap? we have a manifesto review _ will you abolish the cap? we have a manifesto review to _ will you abolish the cap? we have a manifesto review to understand - will you abolish the cap? we have a manifesto review to understand all| manifesto review to understand all of the _ manifesto review to understand all of the policies that have been visited — of the policies that have been visited upon us because we want a fairer— visited upon us because we want a fairer deal— visited upon us because we want a fairer deal for people, to support their— fairer deal for people, to support their mental work and that means looking _ their mental work and that means looking at— their mental work and that means looking at all of these things in the round. i looking at all of these things in the round. lam looking at all of these things in the round. i am convinced we will have _ the round. i am convinced we will have a _ the round. i am convinced we will have a fairer— the round. i am convinced we will have a fairer benefit system to support — have a fairer benefit system to support families into work and help them _ support families into work and help them out _ support families into work and help them out of poverty. a clear manifesto pledge on lifting children out of— manifesto pledge on lifting children out of poverty and the last uk labour — out of poverty and the last uk labour government lifted over half a million _ labour government lifted over half a million children out of poverty, that is— million children out of poverty, that is our— million children out of poverty, that is our record, that is our ambition— that is our record, that is our ambition again.— that is our record, that is our ambition again. what would plaid c mru do ambition again. what would plaid cymru do about _ ambition again. what would plaid cymru do about the _ ambition again. what would plaid cymru do about the cost - ambition again. what would plaid cymru do about the cost of- ambition again. what would plaid cymru do about the cost of living | cymru do about the cost of living crisis? �* ., , , cymru do about the cost of living crisis? . , , ., ., crisis? always listen out for the word sorry _ crisis? always listen out for the word sorry for _ crisis? always listen out for the word sorry for the _ crisis? always listen out for the word sorry for the mess - crisis? always listen out for the word sorry for the mess that i crisis? always listen out for the i word sorry for the mess that they have made of running the economy and the trussonomics and the effect that is sad. we have had a labour leader in wales refusing to engage with the most fundamental change we need to see happening which is the lifting of the cruel two child benefit cap imposed by their conservatives and for some reason, giving the principles that labourjust to stand for, promising to be continued by labour. the cost of living crisis has hit people so hard. we have a number of proposals. help and energy bills for example, lifting the two child limit, increasing child benefit because tackling child poverty has to be one of our main priorities. poverty has to be one of our main riorities. ., , ., , ., priorities. rhun ap iorwerth, you would lift the _ priorities. rhun ap iorwerth, you would lift the cap, _ priorities. rhun ap iorwerth, you would lift the cap, that - priorities. rhun ap iorwerth, you would lift the cap, that is - priorities. rhun ap iorwerth, you would lift the cap, that is not. would lift the cap, that is not cheap. where is the money coming from? we cheap. where is the money coming from? ~ ., cheap. where is the money coming from? ., ,., , cheap. where is the money coming from? ., , . from? we have costed plans. we can talk now about _ from? we have costed plans. we can talk now about the _ from? we have costed plans. we can talk now about the fair _ from? we have costed plans. we can talk now about the fair taxation - talk now about the fair taxation system we need to build. we are honest. labourand system we need to build. we are honest. labour and the conservatives are part of what the hist —— institute for fiscal studies because a conspiracy of silence. £18 billion of cuts that they are both wedded to. we say that we need to bring money in, we would for example equate capital gains tax and income from shares with the income tax that you from shares with the income tax that w“ pay from shares with the income tax that you pay are going out to work hard. we think there are higher taxes that could be brought in.— could be brought in. higher taxes? taxes would _ could be brought in. higher taxes? taxes would go — could be brought in. higher taxes? taxes would go up? _ could be brought in. higher taxes? taxes would go up? on _ could be brought in. higher taxes? taxes would go up? on the - could be brought in. higher taxes? i taxes would go up? on the broadest shoulders. not _ taxes would go up? on the broadest shoulders. not on _ taxes would go up? on the broadest shoulders. not on people _ taxes would go up? on the broadest shoulders. not on people on - taxes would go up? on the broadest shoulders. not on people on lower l taxes would go up? on the broadest| shoulders. not on people on lower or middle income but on the economy, businesses, large corporations that can pay more, a windfall tax, that needs to be addressed and we need an honest debate about it. you needs to be addressed and we need an honest debate about it._ honest debate about it. you would not honest debate about it. you would rrot change — honest debate about it. you would rrot change the _ honest debate about it. you would not change the threshold, - honest debate about it. you would not change the threshold, you - honest debate about it. you would | not change the threshold, you want the power to be able to set the threshold in wales, you wouldn't change them like they have done in scotland, the snp?— change them like they have done in scotland, the snp? conservatives are erusin: scotland, the snp? conservatives are perusing the — scotland, the snp? conservatives are perusing the threshold _ scotland, the snp? conservatives are perusing the threshold for— scotland, the snp? conservatives are perusing the threshold for some - scotland, the snp? conservatives are perusing the threshold for some time | perusing the threshold for some time which means people in this audience have been brought in to paying tax for the first time, if trestles have to change it it needs to go up to match the increase in inflation so that you're not paying more in tax... ., ., ., ,, ., tax... you would have less tax cominu tax... you would have less tax coming in- _ tax... you would have less tax coming in. there _ tax... you would have less tax coming in. there are - tax... you would have less tax i coming in. there are corporations and those with _ coming in. there are corporations and those with the _ coming in. there are corporations and those with the broadest - and those with the broadest shoulders who can... hat and those with the broadest shoulders who can... ., ., shoulders who can... not takamine in wales. -- shoulders who can... not takamine in wales- -- rrot — shoulders who can.