good evening and welcome to newsnight, live in glasgow. applause we're in one of the city's most iconic buidlings, the old fruitmarket, almost two centuries old, but the debate will be very much alive and in the here and now. in front of our audience, labour's shadow scotland secetary iain murray. kate forbes, deputy leader of the snp. conservative msp miles briggs. the leader of the scottish liberal democrats alex cole—hamilton. and the co—leader of the scottish green party patrick harvie. our audience tonight is broadly representative of the way people voted at the last general election in scotland and there are some people here who are going to raise issues very close to their heart. so let's hear from them. you are a nurse, tell me your story? i work in glasgow, i also work for the royal college of nursing and we conducted a study looking at students and their finances and to do that we got a lot of feedback on how they just won't manage and, how theyjust won't manage and, and was the option available to them to have food banks? and that is also the case was trained nurses all over glasgow, fuel costs, general cost of living, so we are in the process of thinking, is that something that we might have to do? so thinking, is that something that we might have to do?— thinking, is that something that we might have to do? so you are working at one of the — might have to do? so you are working at one of the biggest _ might have to do? so you are working at one of the biggest teaching - at one of the biggest teaching hospitals in europe, you are working for the royal college of nursing, and notjust student nurses but nurses need food banks? yes. it's ve , nurses need food banks? yes. it's very. very — nurses need food banks? yes. it's very. very sad- — nurses need food banks? yes. it's very, very sad. it's _ nurses need food banks? yes. it's very, very sad. it's a _ nurses need food banks? yes. it's very, very sad. it's a good - nurses need food banks? yes. it's very, very sad. it's a good wage, l very, very sad. it's a good wage, but because of the cost of living, everything goes up. we're travelling to work, we're paying for petrol. rents are going up, gas bills are going up, and our wagesjust aren't going up, and our wagesjust aren't going up, and our wagesjust aren't going up in correlation. it is a real struggle for a lot of people. and do you think people will leave to try and find betterjobs?- and do you think people will leave to try and find betterjobs? to try and find better “obs? yeah, a lot of people have _ to try and find betterjobs? yeah, a lot of people have left _ to try and find betterjobs? yeah, a lot of people have left because - to try and find betterjobs? yeah, a lot of people have left because of l lot of people have left because of being able to access their pension because they are in need of money for that. some of the students, we were lucky enough to have a debate at the parliament not that long ago, and they invited some of the students along and some of them said they do a full—time job in addition to doing their nurse training. that shows great _ to doing their nurse training. that shows great dedication to want to be a nurse. . . . shows great dedication to want to be a nurse. , , ., ., .,, a nurse. yes. it is a great “ob, it is 'ust if a nurse. yes. it is a great “ob, it isjust if we i a nurse. yes. it is a great “ob, it isjust if we could i a nurse. yes. it is a great “ob, it isjust if we could get h a nurse. yes. it is a great “ob, it is just if we could get fair h a nurse. yes. it is a great job, it isjust if we could get fair pay i a nurse. yes. it is a great job, it| isjust if we could get fair pay for is just if we could get fair pay for what we do. we are a critical profession. and it is really sad to see people having to drop outjust because they cannot afford to come to work. i because they cannot afford to come to work. ., ., ., , ., , to work. i want to hear your story, as i had please. _ to work. i want to hear your story, as i had please. i— to work. i want to hear your story, as i had please. i am _ to work. i want to hear your story, as i had please. i am a _ to work. i want to hear your story, as i had please. i am a single - as i had please. i am a single mother. _ as i had please. i am a single mother, i suffer _ as i had please. i am a single mother, i suffer from - as i had please. i am a single mother, i suffer from chronicj as i had please. i am a single - mother, i suffer from chronic pain, i have _ mother, i suffer from chronic pain, i have two— mother, i suffer from chronic pain, i have two children currently at university _ i have two children currently at university. i have suffered from chronic— university. i have suffered from chronic pain pretty much from the a-e chronic pain pretty much from the age of— chronic pain pretty much from the age of 18— chronic pain pretty much from the age of 18 but i carried on working and it_ age of 18 but i carried on working and it has— age of 18 but i carried on working and it has got to the point because of my— and it has got to the point because of my age — and it has got to the point because of my age i— and it has got to the point because of my age i think, it hasjust got so much — of my age i think, it hasjust got so much walking is an issue for me, standing _ so much walking is an issue for me, standing is — so much walking is an issue for me, standing is an issue for me, ijust can't _ standing is an issue for me, ijust can't seem — standing is an issue for me, ijust can't seem to win in life. so standing is an issue for me, i 'ust can't seem to win in life.�* can't seem to win in life. so you can't seem to win in life. so you can't work _ can't seem to win in life. so you can't work and _ can't seem to win in life. so you can't work and what _ can't seem to win in life. so you can't work and what does - can't seem to win in life. so you can't work and what does that l can't seem to win in life. so you - can't work and what does that mean for the incomes you have, presumably you get some benefits but what does it mean in terms of the way you can live your life? in it mean in terms of the way you can live your life?— live your life? in recent years since the _ live your life? in recent years since the covid _ live your life? in recent years since the covid pandemic- live your life? in recent years since the covid pandemic and live your life? in recent years - since the covid pandemic and the cost of— since the covid pandemic and the cost of living crisis and the energy increasing — cost of living crisis and the energy increasing dramatically, it hasjust become _ increasing dramatically, it hasjust become diabolical, ijust cannot manage — become diabolical, ijust cannot manage any more. money, bills and food, _ manage any more. money, bills and food, are _ manage any more. money, bills and food, are going on credit card. and i food, are going on credit card. and i can't _ food, are going on credit card. and i can't even — food, are going on credit card. and i can't even pay off my credit card. i can't even pay off my credit card. i am _ i can't even pay off my credit card. i am a _ i can't even pay off my credit card. i am a person— i can't even pay off my credit card. i am a person that doesn't drink, i don't _ i am a person that doesn't drink, i don't smoke, _ i am a person that doesn't drink, i don't smoke, i don't go out. i was very. _ don't smoke, i don't go out. i was very. very— don't smoke, i don't go out. i was very, very careful with my money, but very, very careful with my money, hut it— very, very careful with my money, but it has— very, very careful with my money, but it has got to the point ijust can't _ but it has got to the point ijust can't manage. i own my own flat and i can't manage. i own my own flat and i have _ can't manage. i own my own flat and i have been— can't manage. i own my own flat and i have been there for 22 years, and i have been there for 22 years, and i can't _ i have been there for 22 years, and i can't afford — i have been there for 22 years, and i can't afford repairs. and i have been there for 22 years, and i can't afford repairs.— i can't afford repairs. and it is kind of heat _ i can't afford repairs. and it is kind of heat or _ i can't afford repairs. and it is kind of heat or eat? _ i can't afford repairs. and it is kind of heat or eat? yes, - i can't afford repairs. and it is kind of heat or eat? yes, eat| i can't afford repairs. and it is i kind of heat or eat? yes, eat or eat, kind of heat or eat? yes, eat or eat. and _ kind of heat or eat? yes, eat or eat. and as _ kind of heat or eat? yes, eat or eat. and as a — kind of heat or eat? yes, eat or eat, and as a parent _ kind of heat or eat? yes, eat or eat, and as a parent of- kind of heat or eat? yes, eat or eat, and as a parent of children j kind of heat or eat? yes, eat or. eat, and as a parent of children at university. — eat, and as a parent of children at university. i— eat, and as a parent of children at university, i am the one that suffers — university, i am the one that suffers because i am a mum. it doesn't — suffers because i am a mum. it doesn't matter how old your children are. doesn't matter how old your children are as _ doesn't matter how old your children are as a _ doesn't matter how old your children are. as a parent, you take the brunt of it _ are. as a parent, you take the brunt of it when — are. as a parent, you take the brunt of it when it— are. as a parent, you take the brunt of it. when it comes to food, i don't — of it. when it comes to food, i don't have _ of it. when it comes to food, i don't have the money to buy food, so what do _ don't have the money to buy food, so what do i _ don't have the money to buy food, so what do i do? — don't have the money to buy food, so what do i do? my kids have the food, it keeps— what do i do? my kids have the food, it keeps the _ what do i do? my kids have the food, it keeps the peace in my house, and i do it keeps the peace in my house, and i do without — it keeps the peace in my house, and i do without-— i do without. miles briggs, from the conservative — i do without. miles briggs, from the conservative point _ i do without. miles briggs, from the conservative point of _ i do without. miles briggs, from the conservative point of view, - i do without. miles briggs, from the conservative point of view, it - i do without. miles briggs, from the conservative point of view, it is - conservative point of view, it is heat or eat, it is nurses and student nurses leaving the profession taking anotherjob, profession taking another job, needing profession taking anotherjob, needing a food bank, isn't it embarrassing?— needing a food bank, isn't it embarrassing? needing a food bank, isn't it embarrassinr? �* ~ ., ., , embarrassing? and i think all of us on the panel. _ embarrassing? and i think all of us on the panel, and _ embarrassing? and i think all of us on the panel, and everyone - embarrassing? and i think all of us on the panel, and everyone who i embarrassing? and i think all of us| on the panel, and everyone who has shared their stories tonight, will be aware ofjust how difficult things have been and that a global pandemic, the cost—of—living which we have seen increased. and that is where uk government have tried to assist where we can, in terms of the full hundred pounds energy heat support which every household has been entitled to, and also looking towards where additional support can be provided, you mentioned chronic pain, i actually co—chair the chronic pain cross—party group in the scottish parliament and actually providing services to help people get into employmentjust is not being provided in scotland. we have seen the scottish government actually cut the employability schemes in scotland. so we need to see this change and both governments need to be working together to help deliver better outcomes for everyone. deliver better outcomes for everyone-— deliver better outcomes for eve one. , . ., everyone. this is a uk election, health is a _ everyone. this is a uk election, health is a devolved _ everyone. this is a uk election, health is a devolved issue - everyone. this is a uk election, health is a devolved issue but i everyone. this is a uk election, health is a devolved issue but it everyone. this is a uk election, i health is a devolved issue but it is all part of how people make their minds up about how they are going to vote in a general election. your record of the snp, kate forbes, on the question of a cost crisis and on the question of a cost crisis and on the question of a cost crisis and on the question of making sure the medical profession, a critical profession, and it is not working? can ijust say profession, and it is not working? can i just say that this election is can ijust say that this election is about— can ijust say that this election is about making things different for both of— about making things different for both of you, and for people the length — both of you, and for people the length and breadth of the country. your stories are backed up by the research, — your stories are backed up by the research, here in glasgow, research suggests— research, here in glasgow, research suggests the cost of living crisis is meaning people are dying. so, poverty— is meaning people are dying. so, poverty is— is meaning people are dying. so, poverty is leading to excess deaths. but scotland can vary its income tax, which you do? find but scotland can vary its income tax, which you do?— but scotland can vary its income tax, which you do? and with that progressive _ tax, which you do? and with that progressive taxation _ tax, which you do? and with that progressive taxation we - tax, which you do? and with that progressive taxation we have - tax, which you do? and with that. progressive taxation we have been able to _ progressive taxation we have been able to do— progressive taxation we have been able to do more, for example in protecting — able to do more, for example in protecting children who are currently in poverty. and ensuring that nurses, — currently in poverty. and ensuring that nurses, for example, are paid more _ that nurses, for example, are paid more on _ that nurses, for example, are paid more on average across the uk when they get— more on average across the uk when they get into work. but more on average across the uk when they get into work.— they get into work. but because health has _ they get into work. but because health has been _ they get into work. but because health has been devolved - they get into work. but because health has been devolved for i they get into work. but because l health has been devolved for such they get into work. but because i health has been devolved for such a long time, there is more presumably you could have done to make sure the student nurses don't need a second job, don't need a food bank? {th job, don't need a food bank? of course we are the only part of the uk that— course we are the only part of the uk that is— course we are the only part of the uk that is protected by surveys for nurses— uk that is protected by surveys for nurses because we recognise the importance of supporting our nurses. -- protected— importance of supporting our nurses. —— protected bursaries. i know that because _ —— protected bursaries. i know that because my— —— protected bursaries. i know that because my daughter is a trainee nurse _ because my daughter is a trainee nurse this — because my daughter is a trainee nurse. this election needs to be about— nurse. this election needs to be about changing this once and for all. about changing this once and for all do— about changing this once and for all do you — about changing this once and for all. do you know the great injustice is that— all. do you know the great injustice is that scotland is a net producer of energy— is that scotland is a net producer of energy and yet byjuly this year you will— of energy and yet byjuly this year you will he — of energy and yet byjuly this year you will be paying at least £300 more _ you will be paying at least £300 more than you were to years ago, despite — more than you were to years ago, despite the — more than you were to years ago, despite the fact that the energy is transmitted... we despite the fact that the energy is transmitted. . ._ transmitted... we will talk about ener: transmitted... we will talk about energy later- _ transmitted... we will talk about energy later- it _ transmitted... we will talk about energy later. it is _ transmitted... we will talk about energy later. it is an _ transmitted... we will talk about energy later. it is an injustice. i energy later. it is an in'ustice. movin: energy later. it is an in'ustice. moving on i energy later. it is an in'ustice. moving on to the i energy later. it is an injustice. moving on to the question i energy later. it is an injustice. moving on to the question of i moving on to the question of inequality and poverty. iain murray, the biggest element of the campaign when you won rather by—election, the candidate, now the second labour mp in scotland, michael shanks, said that the cap on two child benefit was heinous. if it is heinous, why is that not a priority for you to lift it? ., , lift it? nothing highlights the failure of the _ lift it? nothing highlights the failure of the two _ lift it? nothing highlights the failure of the two current i failure of the two current governments we have got in scotland than the stories we have just heard. we hear from than the stories we have just heard. we hearfrom kate about than the stories we have just heard. we hear from kate about how they are trying to invest in public services. they are sacking teachers in glasgow. and the priorities of the scottish government in terms of theseissues scottish government in terms of these issues that are here are two tax you more as a nerve than to take more tax off... tax you more as a nerve than to take more tax off- - -_ more tax off... let's be quite clear, labour's _ more tax off... let's be quite clear, labour's position i more tax off... let's be quite clear, labour's position at i more tax off... let's be quite | clear, labour's position at the rutherglen by—election in scotland repeated time and again, by anas sarwar, was, we absolutely want the 2—child cap get on benefit lifted. and we do. but 2-child cap get on benefit lifted. and we do-_ 2-child cap get on benefit lifted. andwe do. �* , ., ., ., , ., and we do. but it is not a manifesto commitment. _ and we do. but it is not a manifesto commitment, you _ and we do. but it is not a manifesto commitment, you are _ and we do. but it is not a manifesto commitment, you are not _ and we do. but it is not a manifesto commitment, you are not going i and we do. but it is not a manifesto commitment, you are not going to i and we do. but it is not a manifesto i commitment, you are not going to do it...? �* , commitment, you are not going to do it...?�* , ., ., , it...? because what we have been highlighting _ it...? because what we have been highlighting here _ it...? because what we have been highlighting here is _ it...? because what we have been highlighting here is the _ it...? because what we have been highlighting here is the cost i it...? because what we have been highlighting here is the cost of- highlighting here is the cost of living crisis that people are being affected by, partially because, if not mostly, by the reckless economic decisions made by the conservative government crashing the economy, pushing up interest rates for the economies of the lady who has got a mortgage and being in her house were 22 years, pushing up the costs for the nurses and the trainee nurses, so we have put a manifesto together, there is nothing in that which is not fully costed. the there is nothing in that which is not fully costed._ not fully costed. the only other scottish labour _ not fully costed. the only other scottish labour mp, _ not fully costed. the only other scottish labour mp, calling i not fully costed. the only other scottish labour mp, calling for| not fully costed. the only other| scottish labour mp, calling for a cap on benefit, calling it heinous, and it is not something that you will remove immediately, and of course, gordon brown? the will remove immediately, and of course, gordon brown?- will remove immediately, and of course, gordon brown? the two things that i would course, gordon brown? the two things that i would say _ course, gordon brown? the two things that i would say on _ course, gordon brown? the two things that i would say on this, _ course, gordon brown? the two things that i would say on this, we _ course, gordon brown? the two things that i would say on this, we have i that i would say on this, we have got a full review of universal credit, and the 2—child cap is part of it. you could lift it now. it is only labour governance which pull people out of poverty, and we will do that again. and incidentally kate could make that decision if she wanted to in the scottish government but decided not to, but for the same reason that we cannot promise a... lifting the cap on bankers' bonuses... lifting the cap on bankers' bonuses. . ._ lifting the cap on bankers' bonuses... ~ ., , ., , bonuses... we cannot promise something _ bonuses... we cannot promise something that _ bonuses... we cannot promise something that we _ bonuses... we cannot promise something that we cannot i bonuses... we cannot promise i something that we cannot deliver. we need to be honest with the public. all of these things will be looked at. the finance secretary in scotland thinks lifting the bankers bonus cap cost you money. the liberal democrat _ bonus cap cost you money. the liberal democrat position on...? bonus cap cost you money. the i liberal democrat position on. . . ? we would liberal democrat position on...? we would remove the 2—child cap get in a heartbeat — would remove the 2—child cap get in a heartbeat because _ would remove the 2—child cap get in a heartbeat because it _ would remove the 2—child cap get in a heartbeat because it is _ a heartbeat because it is iniquitous. _ a heartbeat because it is iniquitous, it _ a heartbeat because it is iniquitous, it removes. a heartbeat because it is i iniquitous, it removes dignity, a heartbeat because it is - iniquitous, it removes dignity, it doesn't — iniquitous, it removes dignity, it doesn't recognise _ iniquitous, it removes dignity, it doesn't recognise real— iniquitous, it removes dignity, it doesn't recognise real property. iniquitous, it removes dignity, it| doesn't recognise real property is being _ doesn't recognise real property is being experienced _ doesn't recognise real property is being experienced by— doesn't recognise real property is being experienced by families, i doesn't recognise real property is. being experienced by families, some of whom _ being experienced by families, some of whom are — being experienced by families, some of whom are also _ being experienced by families, some of whom are also in _ being experienced by families, some of whom are also in work. _ being experienced by families, some of whom are also in work. but - being experienced by families, some of whom are also in work. but i- being experienced by families, some| of whom are also in work. but i come back to _ of whom are also in work. but i come back to the _ of whom are also in work. but i come back to the original— of whom are also in work. but i come back to the original question, - of whom are also in work. but i come back to the original question, the i back to the original question, the liberal— back to the original question, the liberal democrats, _ back to the original question, the liberal democrats, there - back to the original question, the liberal democrats, there is- back to the original question, the liberal democrats, there is a i liberal democrats, there is a fundamental— liberal democrats, there is a fundamental link— liberal democrats, there is a fundamental link to- liberal democrats, there is a fundamental link to health i liberal democrats, there is aj fundamental link to health of liberal democrats, there is a i fundamental link to health of our economy— fundamental link to health of our economy and _ fundamental link to health of our economy and the _ fundamental link to health of our economy and the health - fundamental link to health of our economy and the health of - fundamental link to health of our economy and the health of our i fundamental link to health of our i economy and the health of our nation and forgive _ economy and the health of our nation and forgive me — economy and the health of our nation and forgive me i_ economy and the health of our nation and forgive me i forget— economy and the health of our nation and forgive me i forget your- economy and the health of our nation and forgive me i forget your name i and forgive me i forget your name but the _ and forgive me i forget your name but the second _ and forgive me i forget your name but the second question, - and forgive me i forget your name but the second question, is - and forgive me i forget your name but the second question, is reallyl but the second question, is really important — but the second question, is really important. my— but the second question, is really important. my heart _ but the second question, is really important. my heart goes - but the second question, is really important. my heart goes out i but the second question, is really important. my heart goes out to. but the second question, is really. important. my heart goes out to you but there _ important. my heart goes out to you but there are — important. my heart goes out to you but there are many _ important. my heart goes out to you but there are many scots _ important. my heart goes out to you but there are many scots in - important. my heart goes out to you but there are many scots in your i but there are many scots in your position. — but there are many scots in your position. one _ but there are many scots in your position, one in— but there are many scots in your position, one in seven— but there are many scots in your position, one in seven scots i but there are many scots in youri position, one in seven scots right now are _ position, one in seven scots right now are currently _ position, one in seven scots right now are currently on _ position, one in seven scots right now are currently on an _ position, one in seven scots right now are currently on an nhs i position, one in seven scots right. now are currently on an nhs waiting list, now are currently on an nhs waiting list. 170.000 — now are currently on an nhs waiting list, 170,000 scots— now are currently on an nhs waiting list, 170,000 scots are _ now are currently on an nhs waiting list, 170,000 scots are suffering i list, 170,000 scots are suffering lon- list, 170,000 scots are suffering long covid. — list, 170,000 scots are suffering long covid. many— list, 170,000 scots are suffering long covid, many of— list, 170,000 scots are suffering long covid, many of whom - list, 170,000 scots are suffering long covid, many of whom can'tl list, 170,000 scots are suffering . long covid, many of whom can't go list, 170,000 scots are suffering i long covid, many of whom can't go to woric _ long covid, many of whom can't go to woric and _ long covid, many of whom can't go to woric and the — long covid, many of whom can't go to work. and the same _ long covid, many of whom can't go to work. and the same is _ long covid, many of whom can't go to work. and the same is true _ long covid, many of whom can't go to work. and the same is true for- long covid, many of whom can't go to work. and the same is true for the i work. and the same is true for the people _ work. and the same is true for the people on— work. and the same is true for the people on waiting _ work. and the same is true for the people on waiting lists. _ work. and the same is true for the people on waiting lists. if- work. and the same is true for the people on waiting lists. if we can't| people on waiting lists. if we can't solve _ people on waiting lists. if we can't solve the — people on waiting lists. if we can't solve the crisis _ people on waiting lists. if we can't solve the crisis in _ people on waiting lists. if we can't solve the crisis in our— people on waiting lists. if we can't solve the crisis in our nhs - people on waiting lists. if we can't solve the crisis in our nhs we i people on waiting lists. if we can't| solve the crisis in our nhs we can't grow— solve the crisis in our nhs we can't grow our— solve the crisis in our nhs we can't grow our economy. _ solve the crisis in our nhs we can't grow our economy, we _ solve the crisis in our nhs we can't grow our economy, we can't - solve the crisis in our nhs we can't grow our economy, we can't help. grow our economy, we can't help these _ grow our economy, we can't help these people _ grow our economy, we can't help these people back— grow our economy, we can't help these people back to _ grow our economy, we can't help these people back to work- grow our economy, we can't help these people back to work so i grow our economy, we can't helpi these people back to work so that they can _ these people back to work so that they can earn _ these people back to work so that they can earn the _ these people back to work so that they can earn the levels _ these people back to work so that they can earn the levels of - these people back to work so that . they can earn the levels of incoming need to— they can earn the levels of incoming need to enjoy — they can earn the levels of incoming need to enjoy their— they can earn the levels of incoming need to enjoy their lives. _ they can earn the levels of incoming need to enjoy their lives. that - they can earn the levels of incoming need to enjoy their lives. that is i they can earn the levels of incoming need to enjoy their lives. that is a l need to enjoy their lives. that is a fundamental— need to enjoy their lives. that is a fundamental problem. _ need to enjoy their lives. that is a fundamental problem. buil- need to enjoy their lives. that is a fundamental problem.— need to enjoy their lives. that is a fundamental problem. but one of the wa s, we fundamental problem. but one of the ways. we are — fundamental problem. but one of the ways, we are talking _ fundamental problem. but one of the ways, we are talking about _ fundamental problem. but one of the ways, we are talking about energy . ways, we are talking about energy costs, for example, patrick harvie, interestingly, from the greens' point of view in terms of energy and of course we hear from labour it is going to be gb energy, although we don't know where it is or how it is going to operate with the grid in the situation it is in, but i think i am right in saying that you want to do a case—by—case basis in transition on oil and gas licences, you have become possibly a little pragmatic? you have become possibly a little ”ramatic? ., you have become possibly a little pragmatic?— pragmatic? no, i think you are describing _ pragmatic? no, i think you are describing the snp _ describing the snp position, case-by-case _ describing the snp position, case—by—case basis. we - describing the snp position, - case—by—case basis. we are opposed to new_ case—by—case basis. we are opposed to new oil_ case—by—case basis. we are opposed to new oil and — case—by—case basis. we are opposed to new oil and gas _ case—by—case basis. we are opposed to new oil and gas licences _ case—by—case basis. we are opposed to new oil and gas licences becausei to new oil and gas licences because the argument — to new oil and gas licences because the argument is _ to new oil and gas licences because the argument is the _ to new oil and gas licences because the argument is the same - to new oil and gas licences because the argument is the same in - to new oil and gas licences because the argument is the same in all- the argument is the same in all cases. — the argument is the same in all cases, the world _ the argument is the same in all cases, the world has _ the argument is the same in all cases, the world has far- the argument is the same in all cases, the world has far more i the argument is the same in all- cases, the world has far more fossil fuels _ cases, the world has far more fossil fuels in _ cases, the world has far more fossil fuels in existing _ cases, the world has far more fossil fuels in existing different— cases, the world has far more fossil fuels in existing different reserves. fuels in existing different reserves than we _ fuels in existing different reserves than we can— fuels in existing different reserves than we can afford _ fuels in existing different reserves than we can afford to _ fuels in existing different reserves than we can afford to use. - fuels in existing different reserves than we can afford to use. so - fuels in existing different reserves than we can afford to use. so the i than we can afford to use. so the argument — than we can afford to use. so the argument for— than we can afford to use. so the argument for new— than we can afford to use. so the argument for new fossil - than we can afford to use. so the argument for new fossil fuels - argument for new fossil fuels infrastructure _ argument for new fossil fuels infrastructure and _ argument for new fossil fuels infrastructure and supply - argument for new fossil fuels infrastructure and supply is l argument for new fossil fuels - infrastructure and supply is about environmentally— infrastructure and supply is about environmentally and _ infrastructure and supply is about environmentally and it's - infrastructure and supply is about environmentally and it's also - infrastructure and supply is about environmentally and it's also bad | environmentally and it's also bad economicattx _ environmentally and it's also bad economically. but— environmentally and it's also bad economically. but if— environmentally and it's also bad economically. but if we - environmentally and it's also bad economically. but if we want - environmentally and it's also bad economically. but if we want our| economically. but if we want our energy— economically. but if we want our energy system _ economically. but if we want our energy system to _ economically. but if we want our energy system to be _ economically. but if we want our energy system to be affordable, | economically. but if we want our- energy system to be affordable, you remember _ energy system to be affordable, you remember back— energy system to be affordable, you remember back to _ energy system to be affordable, you remember back to the _ energy system to be affordable, you remember back to the tail— energy system to be affordable, you remember back to the tail end - energy system to be affordable, you remember back to the tail end of. remember back to the tail end of last year. — remember back to the tail end of last year, rishi _ remember back to the tail end of last year, rishi sunak_ remember back to the tail end of last year, rishi sunak scrapped l remember back to the tail end of last year, rishi sunak scrapped a bunch _ last year, rishi sunak scrapped a bunch of— last year, rishi sunak scrapped a bunch of climate policies - last year, rishi sunak scrapped a | bunch of climate policies because last year, rishi sunak scrapped a . bunch of climate policies because he said he _ bunch of climate policies because he said he wanted — bunch of climate policies because he said he wanted to make _ bunch of climate policies because he said he wanted to make net- bunch of climate policies because he said he wanted to make net zero- bunch of climate policies because he l said he wanted to make net zero more affordable _ said he wanted to make net zero more affordable for — said he wanted to make net zero more affordable for people, _ said he wanted to make net zero more affordable for people, and _ said he wanted to make net zero more affordable for people, and none - said he wanted to make net zero more affordable for people, and none of- affordable for people, and none of it achieved — affordable for people, and none of it achieved more _ affordable for people, and none of it achieved more affordability. - affordable for people, and none of it achieved more affordability. if. it achieved more affordability. if he wanted — it achieved more affordability. if he wanted to _ it achieved more affordability. if he wanted to do _ it achieved more affordability. if he wanted to do that, _ it achieved more affordability. if he wanted to do that, break - it achieved more affordability. if he wanted to do that, break the j it achieved more affordability. if- he wanted to do that, break the link between _ he wanted to do that, break the link between electricity— he wanted to do that, break the link between electricity and _ he wanted to do that, break the link between electricity and gas - between electricity and gas prices. everybody — between electricity and gas prices. everybody here and _ between electricity and gas prices. everybody here and at home - between electricity and gas prices. i everybody here and at home is paying artificially high — everybody here and at home is paying artificially high prices for— artificially high prices for electricity, which- artificially high prices for electricity, which is the i electricity, which is the cheapest energy— electricity, which is the cheapest energy that we _ electricity, which is the cheapest energy that we can generate. - energy that we can generate. renewables... what- energy that we can generate. i renewables... what to people feel about their bills? renewables. .. what to people feel about their bills?— about their bills? -- what do peeple- - - ? _ about their bills? -- what do people. . . ? the woman - about their bills? -- what do i people. . . ? the woman with the people...? the woman with the turquoise jacket and please say your name my— turquoise “acket and please say your name. 3 . , ., ., , name. my name is comfort, please don't forget that! _ name. my name is comfort, please don't forget that! i want _ name. my name is comfort, please don't forget that! i want to - name. my name is comfort, please don't forget that! i want to say - don't forget that! i want to say something _ don't forget that! i want to say something concerning - don't forget that! i want to say something concerning the - don't forget that! i want to say something concerning the cost don't forget that! i want to say. something concerning the cost of living i_ something concerning the cost of living i pay— something concerning the cost of living i pay a _ something concerning the cost of living. i pay a lot— something concerning the cost of living. i pay a lot when _ something concerning the cost of living. i pay a lot when it - something concerning the cost of living. i pay a lot when it comes. something concerning the cost of. living. i pay a lot when it comes to -as living. i pay a lot when it comes to gas and _ living. i pay a lot when it comes to gas and electricity, _ living. i pay a lot when it comes to gas and electricity, per— living. i pay a lot when it comes to gas and electricity, per week, - living. i pay a lot when it comes to gas and electricity, per week, i- living. i pay a lot when it comes to| gas and electricity, per week, i pay £40 separatety_ gas and electricity, per week, i pay £40 separately not _ gas and electricity, per week, i pay £40 separately not just _ gas and electricity, per week, i pay £40 separately not just for - gas and electricity, per week, i pay £40 separately not just for my- gas and electricity, per week, i pay £40 separately not just for my gas| £40 separately not just for my gas and electric, — £40 separately not just for my gas and electric, i_ £40 separately not just for my gas and electric, i need _ £40 separately not just for my gas and electric, i need £80 _ £40 separately not just for my gas and electric, i need £80 for- £40 separately not just for my gas and electric, i need £80 for both l £40 separately not just for my gasi and electric, i need £80 for both of them, _ and electric, i need £80 for both of them, it— and electric, i need £80 for both of them, it runs— and electric, i need £80 for both of them, it runs like _ and electric, i need £80 for both of them, it runs like water. _ and electric, i need £80 for both of them, it runs like water. so, - and electric, i need £80 for both of them, it runs like water. so, what. them, it runs like water. so, what can be _ them, it runs like water. so, what can be done — them, it runs like water. so, what can be done to _ them, it runs like water. so, what can be done to this? _ them, it runs like water. so, what can be done to this? this - them, it runs like water. so, what can be done to this? this is - them, it runs like water. so, what can be done to this? this is really| can be done to this? this is really affecting — can be done to this? this is really affecting everyone. _ can be done to this? this is really affecting everyone. i— can be done to this? this is really affecting everyone. i need - can be done to this? this is really. affecting everyone. i need answers, please _ affecting everyone. i need answers, please tan — affecting everyone. i need answers, lease. . ~ . , please. ian murray, what can be done? let's be _ please. ian murray, what can be done? let's be quite _ please. ian murray, what can be done? let's be quite clear... - please. ian murray, what can be| done? let's be quite clear... you oppose new oil and gas licences? irate oppose new oil and gas licences? we do, oppose new oil and gas licences? , do, but what we want to do is to move away to clean energy by 2030, thatis move away to clean energy by 2030, that is what gb energy is all about, it will be headquartered here in scotland. ~ . it will be headquartered here in scotland. ~ , , . scotland. when will it be up and running? within _ scotland. when will it be up and running? within months- scotland. when will it be up and running? within months of- scotland. when will it be up and - running? within months of the newly labour common _ running? within months of the newly labour common coming in. - running? within months of the newly labour common coming in. look at l labour common coming in. look at what ed miliband said, _ labour common coming in. look at what ed miliband said, that it - what ed miliband said, that it was going to look like a european example. if we look at what you are going to be putting in for seed funding, for billion pounds, edf and france have put in 18 billion. irate france have put in 18 billion. we are france have put in 18 billion. , are putting an 8.3 billion into gb energy, 7 billion into the national welfare fund, all to do with the great, private finance, three or four times that in order to supplement it. this is a government saying, this is a national mission for us to get to clean power by 2030 and this is how we are going to deliver it, or we can continue to stick our head in the sand and do nothing and these bills will never come down. itruiiiiii nothing and these bills will never come down-— nothing and these bills will never come down. ~ , , . come down. will be energy reduce bills? yes. — come down. will be energy reduce bills? yes, by about _ come down. will be energy reduce bills? yes, by about £300 a - come down. will be energy reduce bills? yes, by about £300 a year. | we need to have home grown energy through gb energy and invest in our port infrastructure and give us careers of the future and transition from oil and gas. we will be taking it from the ground for 50 years, because we need 20 do so. —— to do so. i because we need 20 do so. -- to do so. ., ., because we need 20 do so. -- to do so, ., ., ., " because we need 20 do so. -- to do so. ., ., . ~ . ., so. i want to talk about one other thin. so. i want to talk about one other thing- one _ so. i want to talk about one other thing- one of _ so. i want to talk about one other thing. one of the _ so. i want to talk about one other thing. one of the possible - so. i want to talk about one other| thing. one of the possible income labour government's policies will be vat on private schools. now, i want to ask you, that is going to raise you think a lot of money. 1.6 billion. do — you think a lot of money. 1.6 billion. do you _ you think a lot of money. 1.6 billion. do you think - you think a lot of money. 1.6 billion. do you think the - you think a lot of money. 1.6 l billion. do you think the leader of labour in scotland _ billion. do you think the leader of labour in scotland anas - billion. do you think the leader of labour in scotland anas samar. billion. do you think the leader of. labour in scotland anas sarwar will be happy to pay that vat? i don't know if people — be happy to pay that vat? i don't know if people will _ be happy to pay that vat? i don't know if people will be _ be happy to pay that vat? i don't know if people will be happy, - be happy to pay that vat? i don't know if people will be happy, but| know if people will be happy, but they should be happy. he know if people will be happy, but they should be happy.— know if people will be happy, but they should be happy. he sends his children to private _ they should be happy. he sends his children to private school. - they should be happy. he sends his children to private school. people l children to private school. people make their _ children to private school. people make their choices _ children to private school. people make their choices if _ children to private school. people make their choices if they - children to private school. people make their choices if they wish i children to private school. people make their choices if they wish to j make their choices if they wish to do. this is about lifting the seats. the big issue, that one or two may want to answer. if the 160 million a year comes to scotland in barnet consequence shalls from the vat on school, will it be spent on schools. around 20% of children in ian's constituency _ around 20% of children in ian's constituency go _ around 20% of children in ian's constituency go to _ around 20% of children in ian's constituency go to private - around 20% of children in ian's - constituency go to private schools. many— constituency go to private schools. many of— constituency go to private schools. many of your — constituency go to private schools. many of your voters are _ constituency go to private schools. many of your voters are angry withj many of your voters are angry with the policy — many of your voters are angry with the policy i— many of your voters are angry with the policy. i don't— many of your voters are angry with the policy. idon't think— many of your voters are angry with the policy. i don't think labour- many of your voters are angry withj the policy. i don't think labour has costed _ the policy. i don't think labour has costed it~ — the policy. i don't think labour has costed it the _ the policy. idon't think labour has costed it. the money— the policy. i don't think labour has costed it. the money won't - the policy. i don't think labour has costed it. the money won't come i the policy. i don't think labour hasi costed it. the money won't come to state _ costed it. the money won't come to state sector— costed it. the money won't come to state sector schools. _ costed it. the money won't come to state sector schools. we _ costed it. the money won't come to state sector schools. we will- state sector schools. we will see more _ state sector schools. we will see more children— state sector schools. we will see more children going _ state sector schools. we will see more children going into- state sector schools. we will see| more children going into schools, because _ more children going into schools, because parents— more children going into schools, because parents have _ more children going into schools, because parents have bills- more children going into schools, because parents have bills and i because parents have bills and education will— because parents have bills and education will be disrupted. i because parents have bills andj education will be disrupted. to because parents have bills and i education will be disrupted. to go back to _ education will be disrupted. to go back to comfort's _ education will be disrupted. to go back to comfort's point, - education will be disrupted. to go back to comfort's point, we - education will be disrupted. to go back to comfort's point, we needi back to comfort's point, we need energy— back to comfort's point, we need energy security _ back to comfort's point, we need energy security and _ back to comfort's point, we need energy security and here - back to comfort's point, we need energy security and here in i back to comfort's point, we need i energy security and here in scotland we should _ energy security and here in scotland we should be — energy security and here in scotland we should be proud our— energy security and here in scotland we should be proud our oil- energy security and here in scotland we should be proud our oil and i energy security and here in scotland we should be proud our oil and gas. we should be proud our oil and gas industry— we should be proud our oil and gas industry has — we should be proud our oil and gas industry has given _ we should be proud our oil and gas industry has given us _ we should be proud our oil and gas industry has given us that. - we should be proud our oil and gas industry has given us that. these l industry has given us that. these are global— industry has given us that. these are global pricing. _ industry has given us that. these are global pricing. but _ industry has given us that. these are global pricing. but making i industry has given us that. these . are global pricing. but making sure we don't _ are global pricing. but making sure we don't become _ are global pricing. but making sure we don't become reliant— are global pricing. but making sure we don't become reliant on- we don't become reliant on dictatorships _ we don't become reliant on dictatorships is _ we don't become reliant on dictatorships is somethingi we don't become reliant on- dictatorships is something that we need to— dictatorships is something that we need to make _ dictatorships is something that we need to make sure. _ dictatorships is something that we need to make sure. i— dictatorships is something that we need to make sure.— dictatorships is something that we need to make sure. i want a show of hands in the — need to make sure. i want a show of hands in the audience. _ need to make sure. i want a show of hands in the audience. as _ need to make sure. i want a show of hands in the audience. as inflation l hands in the audience. as inflation is falling and as you hear what the panel are saying, i want to raise your hand if you have some optimism on the economy?— your hand if you have some optimism on the economy? nobody. that is not surrisinu. on the economy? nobody. that is not surprising- very _ on the economy? nobody. that is not surprising. very quickly. _ on the economy? nobody. that is not surprising. very quickly. alex - surprising. very quickly. alex cole-hamilton. _ surprising. very quickly. alex cole-hamilton. i _ surprising. very quickly. alex cole-hamilton. ithink- surprising. very quickly. alex cole-hamilton. i think many | surprising. very quickly. alex i cole-hamilton. i think many of the --eole in cole-hamilton. i think many of the people in this _ cole-hamilton. i think many of the people in this audience _ cole-hamilton. i think many of the people in this audience will - cole-hamilton. i think many of the people in this audience will be i people in this audience will be carers and carers are feeling the cost—of—living more than almost anybody else. 50% of our unpaid carers are finding it hard to make ends meet. 30% are going without skood. food. the governments are exploits them. we want the increase the carer�*s allowance. you can now listen to a live audio version of the programme along with all of the bbc�*s election coverage on the election 2024 stream on bbc sounds. just head to the sounds app and find the stream right between 5 live sports extra and 6 music. during the campaign, the issue of migration has become a key battleground in england. in scotland the migration story is a bit different. in a moment we'll hear from stephen montgomery, but first let's talk to comfort anjorin. so, i have been in scotland since 2019. and i would say the people of scotland are the best people in the world. �* ~ ,, scotland are the best people in the world. �* �* ., i scotland are the best people in the world._ i mean, - scotland are the best people in the| world._ i mean, scotland scotland are the best people in the i world._ i mean, scotland is world. applause. i mean, scotland is a multi-diverse _ world. applause. i mean, scotland is a multi-diverse country. _ world. applause. i mean, scotland is a multi-diverse country. very - a multi—diverse country. very welcoming. everybody�*s nice. and that kind of like bothers me, because i've come to this country and integrated and tried to give back by working and this country has sewed a good seed in my life. but it breaks my heart to see they want to cut off migration. so, please tell me what is going to happen? what is the answers, how can you help comfort, me telling you my story. thank you. and you are a refugee and settled here and saut asylum here. what is your life like now?- what is your life like now? better, than before- _ what is your life like now? better, than before. we _ what is your life like now? better, than before. we talked _ what is your life like now? better, than before. we talked about i what is your life like now? better, than before. we talked about the l than before. we talked about the cost—of—living crisis. there is a lot of poverty going on. but i would say from then until now it has been great and scotland is my home and my heart, scotland is my heart to be honest. �* . ., heart, scotland is my heart to be honest. �* , ., ., ., ., honest. let's hear about migration from someone _ honest. let's hear about migration from someone in _ honest. let's hear about migration from someone in the _ honest. let's hear about migration from someone in the business i from someone in the business community. stephen montgomery, tell me your approach and attitude to migration? i me your approach and attitude to mi . ration? ~ me your approach and attitude to miaration? ~ ., ., ., migration? i think migration into scotland is _ migration? i think migration into scotland is one _ migration? ! think migration into scotland is one of— migration? i think migration into scotland is one of the _ migration? i think migration into scotland is one of the big - migration? i think migration into scotland is one of the big things| scotland is one of the big things that happened from brexit. hospitality suffered massively. brexit — hospitality suffered massively. brexit wasn't the only cause. people left when _ brexit wasn't the only cause. people left when the pandemic came and lockdown— left when the pandemic came and lockdown happened and the shortage is worldwide. one of the worst things— is worldwide. one of the worst things that the uk government is they raised the wage structure for people _ they raised the wage structure for people from 26 and a half thousand to 38,000. 38 thousand goes somewhere in london, but it is different— somewhere in london, but it is different in— somewhere in london, but it is different in scotland. that affordm _ different in scotland. that afford- - -_ different in scotland. that afford... , ' , ., afford... you're suffering trying to find- yes- — afford. .. you're suffering trying to find- yes- is— afford... you're suffering trying to find. yes. is migration _ afford... you're suffering trying to find. yes. is migration the - afford... you're suffering trying to find. yes. is migration the answerj find. yes. is migration the answer to that? it — find. yes. is migration the answer to that? it is _ find. yes. is migration the answer to that? it is 50/50, _ find. yes. is migration the answer to that? it is 50/50, we _ find. yes. is migration the answer to that? it is 50/50, we need - to that? it is 50/50, we need home roan to that? it is 50/50, we need home groan educated _ to that? it is 50/50, we need home groan educated people _ to that? it is 50/50, we need home groan educated people of— to that? it is 50/50, we need home groan educated people of course. l to that? it is 50/50, we need home i groan educated people of course. but we need _ groan educated people of course. but we need to— groan educated people of course. but we need to have some kind of, possibly— we need to have some kind of, possibly a _ we need to have some kind of, possibly a visa for scotland. i think— possibly a visa for scotland. i think we _ possibly a visa for scotland. i think we would be up for that. but it would _ think we would be up for that. but it would have to be some caveats around _ it would have to be some caveats around that, contracts, wamgs. we -- wares. around that, contracts, wamgs. we -- wages- we _ around that, contracts, wamgs. we -- wages- we can — around that, contracts, wamgs. we -- wages- we can ask _ around that, contracts, wamgs. we -- wages. we can ask the _ around that, contracts, wamgs. we -- wages. we can ask the others - around that, contracts, wamgs. we -- wages. we can ask the others if- around that, contracts, wamgs. we -- wages. we can ask the others if that i wages. we can ask the others if that is possible. its not a devolved issue. miles briggs, do you accept that scotland needs more migration? yes, i do. one of the things that i think is interesting and for those of white house are msps, why people haven't come to scotland. we know the levels of migration to the uk. but we have not seen that in people coming to scotland. that but we have not seen that in people coming to scotland.— coming to scotland. that is interesting, _ coming to scotland. that is interesting, you _ coming to scotland. that is interesting, you take - coming to scotland. that is interesting, you take a i coming to scotland. that is i interesting, you take a devolved view on this and accept that scotland needs more migration, even if your colleagues disagree with you? we have sector skills shortages. we know that from the rural agricultural sector to the hospital and nhs setting. we are not training people in scotland either. we see some of the lowest levels of scots going to medical school do work in our nhs. more international students are studying than scottish students are studying than scottish students at our schools. we haven't seen that investment after 17 years of the snp government. but it is important to ask ourselves why people haven't come to live and work in scotland. we want to be welcoming and make this country the best that it can be. why haven't they come kate forbes?— it can be. why haven't they come kate forbes? , . ., , ., kate forbes? they have and you can look at the — kate forbes? they have and you can look at the hmrc _ kate forbes? they have and you can look at the hmrc statistics - kate forbes? they have and you can look at the hmrc statistics say - look at the hmrc statistics say there _ look at the hmrc statistics say there is— look at the hmrc statistics say there is net migration to scotland and since — there is net migration to scotland and since 2017 we have more coming to scotland _ and since 2017 we have more coming to scotland than leaving. comfort and stephen show why we are proimmigration. for moral reasons, ethical— proimmigration. for moral reasons, ethical and — proimmigration. for moral reasons, ethical and economic reasons, we are a smatt— ethical and economic reasons, we are a small country of five million people. — a small country of five million people, we want to be open and welcoming and i'm horrified at the way labour— welcoming and i'm horrified at the way labour and the conservatives are doubting _ way labour and the conservatives are doubling down on this anti—immigration rhetoric. doubling down on this anti-immigration rhetoric. doubling down on this anti-immiuration rhetoric. �* ., anti-immigration rhetoric. before we to on anti-immigration rhetoric. before we no on to anti-immigration rhetoric. before we go on to labour— anti-immigration rhetoric. before we go on to labour on _ anti-immigration rhetoric. before we go on to labour on that, _ anti-immigration rhetoric. before we go on to labour on that, just - anti-immigration rhetoric. before we go on to labour on that, just why i go on to labour on that, just why aren't we building enough talent? we have the talent. we aren't we building enough talent? we have the talent.— have the talent. we have incredible talent. i think— have the talent. we have incredible talent. i think there _ have the talent. we have incredible talent. i think there is _ have the talent. we have incredible talent. i think there is probably i have the talent. we have incredible talent. i think there is probably a i talent. i think there is probably a number— talent. i think there is probably a number of— talent. i think there is probably a number of businesses here which illustrate — number of businesses here which illustrate the talent that we have. you talk _ illustrate the talent that we have. you talk to — illustrate the talent that we have. you talk to international businesses that have _ you talk to international businesses that have chose on the locate in scotland — that have chose on the locate in scotland and they will tell you the reason _ scotland and they will tell you the reason is the access to talents. but we are _ reason is the access to talents. but we are a _ reason is the access to talents. but we are a small country, we want more~ — we are a small country, we want more... ., we are a small country, we want more... . ~ ., . . more... ian murray, would a labour government— more... ian murray, would a labour government accept _ more... ian murray, would a labour government accept that _ more... ian murray, would a labour government accept that scotland's. government accept that scotland's position is different on migration. after all you support devolution don't you?— after all you support devolution don't ou? . , don't you? there are three parts, there are the _ don't you? there are three parts, there are the technicalities - don't you? there are three parts, there are the technicalities of i don't you? there are three parts, | there are the technicalities of who comes into the country and we need to make sure we get the sectors and the geography right. much of discussion is in the rural areas and places where there needs to be high employment, but there is low housing. d0 employment, but there is low housina. ., ., housing. do you want something for scotland to address _ housing. do you want something for scotland to address the _ housing. do you want something for scotland to address the fact - housing. do you want something for scotland to address the fact we i scotland to address the fact we have specific? brute scotland to address the fact we have secific? ~ ., , specific? we would strengthen the scottish voices _ specific? we would strengthen the scottish voices on _ specific? we would strengthen the scottish voices on the _ specific? we would strengthen the scottish voices on the advisory i scottish voices on the advisory body. that is the right way to do it. the third thing is we have no workforce plans in our country at all. we don't know what we need for the future and how to train them up. while you're gutting college funding, that is your pipeline of future workforce. until you solve those things, you can't solve stephen or comfort�*s problem. what stephen or comfort's problem. what has the response _ stephen or comfort's problem. what has the response been to labour's overtures on this? . we had an intervention from michel barnier who led the brexit negotiations with the uk. the headlines didn't capture what he was saying, the headlines seemed to say a closer relationship with the eu will mean free movement. what michel barnier said if you want access to the single market, you need free movement. keir starmer is not talking about full access to the single market, because he knows that he can not have free movement. michel barnier said some things that keir starmer would be able to live with. he was talking of a closer relationship with the eu and the uk. and he talked of having agreements on things like ukraine and terrorism and anti—terrorism and talking about and anti—terrorism and talking about a veterinary agreement to ease the border checks. that is what keir starmer is talking about. who things not so easy for keir starmer. barn yerp said not sure i'm hearing a deal on chemicals. not going to have that and reminding deal on chemicals. not going to have thatand reminding keir deal on chemicals. not going to have that and reminding keir starmer in 2026 there has to be a renegotiation of access to uk fishing. that would mean giving them access to the energy market. it won't work. fine energy market. it won't work. one of the key thing — energy market. it won't work. one of the key thing we _ energy market. it won't work. one of the key thing we have _ energy market. it won't work. one of the key thing we have to _ energy market. it won't work. one of the key thing we have to do - energy market. it won't work. one of the key thing we have to do is - the key thing we have to do is repair our relationship with the eu to make the negotiations better. mi to make the negotiations better. all these things you want won't come unless you trade free movement. let me... finish this point. it is important. it is obvious to say if you want access to st single market you have to abide by its rules and part of rules are free movement, all these other issues that nick talked about are on the table.— about are on the table. patrick harvie what — about are on the table. patrick harvie what do _ about are on the table. patrick harvie what do you _ about are on the table. patrick harvie what do you think? if i about are on the table. patrick harvie what do you think? if it| about are on the table. patrick i harvie what do you think? if it is ossible harvie what do you think? if it is possible for someone _ harvie what do you think? if it is possible for someone who - harvie what do you think? if it is i possible for someone who supports free movement to get a word in. i'm pleased _ free movement to get a word in. i'm pleased you — free movement to get a word in. i'm pleased you have a positive experience here and scotland is lucky— experience here and scotland is lucky to— experience here and scotland is lucky to have you. to be a country that can _ lucky to have you. to be a country that can off— lucky to have you. to be a country that can off asylum is a privilege and we — that can off asylum is a privilege and we should be grateful to offer it. and we should be grateful to offer it one _ and we should be grateful to offer it one of— and we should be grateful to offer it. one of the ugliest aspects of etection— it. one of the ugliest aspects of election has been the anti—migra rhetoric — election has been the anti—migra rhetoric i— election has been the anti—migra rhetoric. i believe freedom of movement is one of the mos astonishing achievements of the post war erspca it is good for —— era. it is good _ war erspca it is good for —— era. it is good for— war erspca it is good for —— era. it is good for country and it is good for people. i will come to free movement in a moment. i for people. i will come to free movement in a moment. i agree about the level of debate _ movement in a moment. i agree about the level of debate and _ movement in a moment. i agree about the level of debate and welcome i the level of debate and welcome comfort. — the level of debate and welcome comfort. i— the level of debate and welcome comfort. i am _ the level of debate and welcome comfort, i am glad _ the level of debate and welcome comfort, i am glad you - the level of debate and welcome comfort, i am glad you made . the level of debate and welcome comfort, i am glad you made it. comfort, i am glad you made it clean _ comfort, i am glad you made it clean no — comfort, i am glad you made it clean no one _ comfort, i am glad you made it clear. no one chooses - comfort, i am glad you made it clear. no one chooses to - comfort, i am glad you made it clear. no one chooses to put. comfort, i am glad you made it. clear. no one chooses to put their child _ clear. no one chooses to put their child in_ clear. no one chooses to put their child in a — clear. no one chooses to put their child in a leaky— clear. no one chooses to put their child in a leaky both _ clear. no one chooses to put their child in a leaky both and - clear. no one chooses to put their child in a leaky both and the - child in a leaky both and the rhetoric_ child in a leaky both and the rhetoric we _ child in a leaky both and the rhetoric we heard _ child in a leaky both and the rhetoric we heard about - child in a leaky both and the i rhetoric we heard about using refugees— rhetoric we heard about using refugees as _ rhetoric we heard about using refugees as target _ rhetoric we heard about using refugees as target practice i rhetoric we heard about using refugees as target practice is| rhetoric we heard about using. refugees as target practice is not welcome in — refugees as target practice is not welcome in our— refugees as target practice is not welcome in our country. - refugees as target practice is not welcome in our country.- refugees as target practice is not welcome in our country. thank you. i want to hear— welcome in our country. thank you. i want to hear from _ welcome in our country. thank you. i want to hear from carina _ welcome in our country. thank you. i want to hear from carina contini, - want to hearfrom carina contini, you have a number of businesses and you're struggling not in terms of renegotiation with barnier, you need people now. where do you want them to come from? it is people now. where do you want them to come from?— to come from? it is frustrating the onl two to come from? it is frustrating the only two parties — to come from? it is frustrating the only two parties talking _ to come from? it is frustrating the only two parties talking about - only two parties talking about going back into europe are the only two that won't give us a result at the westminster election. we employ about 160 people. probably before the pandemic we would have had maybe 120 people doing the same work. so we have, we need more bodies to fill the same number ofjobs, but we have a smaller pool to source them. we miss really miss that european... support and skill.— miss really miss that european... support and skill. another party who is standin: support and skill. another party who is standing in — support and skill. another party who is standing in every _ support and skill. another party who is standing in every constituency - is standing in every constituency here in scotland with migration at the top of their agenda is reform. nick again, they're campaign richard tice was the — nick again, they're campaign richard tice was the leader _ nick again, they're campaign richard tice was the leader of _ nick again, they're campaign richard tice was the leader of reform, - nick again, they're campaign richard tice was the leader of reform, until| tice was the leader of reform, until he was ousted by nigel farage. he said theirfocus is he was ousted by nigel farage. he said their focus is on growth. he was ousted by nigel farage. he said theirfocus is on growth. an opinion poll suggested reform is on 8% in scotland. that is up 4%. they point out they have been a presence here, their predecessor party the brexit party got one of the six mep in the parliamentary elections and came second, i mean it was ia.8%, i am sure kate would remind us that the snp got 37.8%. butjohn curtice has said that you have to be realistic, reform is not talking about winning seats in scotland, but what they are talking about is eating into the conservative vote, though not as dramatically as they might in england and wales. opinion polls suggest that the snp�*s decade—long dominance of scottish politics is looking weaker, but support for independence is still solid. the latest poll from redfield and wilson today puts yes for independence 46 and no 48. let's hear now from someone who would like to raise the issue of independence, how do you feel about it? i , independence, how do you feel about it? , a, independence, how do you feel about in , a, a, it? just now, i would say the momentum _ it? just now, i would say the momentum has _ it? just now, i would say the momentum has gone - it? just now, i would say the momentum has gone sort i it? just now, i would say the momentum has gone sort ofi it? just now, i would say the - momentum has gone sort of down a touch, in the sense that people up and down the
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