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move over crescents. there's a new wanted pastry in paris and it is not french at all. it's an american krispy kreme donut. seriously. this week the u.s. donut chain opened its first outpost in france, and the company tells cnn that 400 customers were waiting outside for opening day with some lining up the night before to snag the first few dozen freshly glazed treats. over the next year the chain plans 500 points of access for the french to load up on donuts. it's a full circle moment for the bakery, almost 100 years ago, the founder bought the recipe for it original donut from a french chef in new orleans. thanks for being with us tonight. the news starts now. >> america holds up a mirror to itself. what we see is ugly. that's tonight on news night. good evening, i'm abby phillips in washington. this week the united states gave itself a physical of sort and found extremism runs deep in its bloodstream. it runs across both parties and it courses through our most esteemed institutions. the most discussion and the most fear of a constitutional crisis was delivered by the former president. >> under no circumstances, you're promising america tonight. you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody. >> except for day one. and except for day one. >> by now this kind of rhetoric from trump isn't surprising and neither are the mental gymnastics from republicans determined to dismiss it. >> are you okay with that kind of rhetoric? >> i mean it is entertainment. you know, we've been around there long enough and it is entertaining, that they do make decisions and they get things done. >> now all of this would be easier to dismiss if trump didn't have a shadow cabinet to see his words as an invitation for retribution. >> we will go out and in the media, yes. and who helped joe biden. and that mr. patel is under consideration to be director of the central intelligence agency under the second trump administration. and it would be easy too to wave a side, pedaling about january 6. and the racist doctor and responsible for inspiring real life massacres if it wasn't being said on the biggest stage available right now to a republican politician. >> why am i the only person on the stage at least who can say the january 6 does look like it was an inside job? that they lied to us for 20 years. and involved in 9/11 and that the great replacement is not some light wing theory. and on that platform. it's the highest republican on the land and wasn't recommending giving a pass to criminals who bought into the extremist lines. >> and we're going through the process of releasing them as quickly as we can and we have to blur some of the faces of the persons who participated in the events of that day because we don't want them to be retaliated against and to be charged by the doj. >> it would be easy to say this is a reflection of the few. if we didn't have video of people claiming that. and instead people, like the executive director of counsel on islamic relations who said this. >> and only decided to break the siege. and yet i was happy to see people breaking the siege and throwing down the shackles of their own land and walk free into their lands. an wil walk in. >> it would be easy to say this is one person speaking to themselves if we didn't have weeks of evidence. on college campuses of the anti-semitism, fuel by a few on the left. now it would be easy to say we could blame it on ignorance if we didn't hear the elite college president. >> i am asking specifically calling for the genocide of jews. does that constitute bling harassment? >> it is a complex decision. and if targeted individuals are not making public statements. >> now clearly extremism isn't something, but they are eating away every segment. and the question now is at what point does it get cut out? joining me now to discuss all of this is cnn contributor and long-time journalist and the sports commentator, bob costas. bob, thank you for joining us tonight. you've been a journalist and the key observer for the american life for a long time. >> some of this is fueled by the media landscape, which has changed so drastically over the last generation or so. and they are set up to basically only feed the resentments and affirm them already of their core audience. and it is worse on the internet where you can seek anybody else. when they did the own research. and until i found somewhere and to affirm what i wanted to believe in the first place. there is just more of that out there. and to get attention, you have to be more extreme. that's a general thing, but that is the way it is and they would play into that. and also what has been going on academia for a while. and those that would identify somewhat left of center have been slow to recognize. if we do recognize it, we've been slow to call it out. what's been going out for academia just became large by what we're seeing now on campuses and by the despicable testimony of the three university presidents this past week in congress. and we haven't even addressed the specifics yet because it would take a month. the specifics of the toxic insanity that is maga world. >> yeah, look, one of the things that will strike me about the particular moment is that so much of it is about the language. and as they said when they apologized, language matters. we are hearing disputes over what it really means when you say from the river to the sea. and the use of the word to describe people in this country. >> yeah. >> what do you think it means to use language like that in the public square? >> well, let's leave the right side of the aisle aside for a moment and talk about what the university president said. these are people, three women, who are the heads of universities. and the meaning of genocide from the river to the sea should not be beyond them. and keep in mind they preside over the universities whether they believe in all of this or not where surely safe spaces have been created for the delicate flowers in their charge who can't possibly be confronted by anything that they are not prepared to deal with. anything that challenges what should be them still developing the world view. where they might come across or to kill a mockingbird might jaw them a little bit. that is a progressive thing. they do not have a clarity to say loudly and to congress? yes. calling for genocide under any circumstances will get you tossed off the campus or will get you censured. when the head of the university of pennsylvania said i was looking at it through the prism, when you become a university president, you can pass the tenth grade course in civics. most people know if they paid any attention that where that applies is to the governmental action that might affect free speech. in that had case action could only be taken if that speech is a direct incitement to silence or violence itself. that doesn't have to apply to the university campus. it doesn't have to apply within cnn or any other business. you're allowed to make your own rules, your own standards, and establish your own boundaries, so that was a cowardly way to address the question or frame the question. >> and in the open just a few minutes ago, you heard one of trump's allies say that they would pursue criminal charges to target the media if they get a second term as a journalist, and what do you make of that? >> well, in the media, there are some good journalists there. we didn't think that was possible and whatever was found on the internet or in that right wing top radio. and there are some journalists and they are right about some issues when they take on the extremes of the left that we have been reluctant to confront and highlight. but in general, they have been a propaganda outfit and they glorified him and nationalized their worst excessive and of specifics that would affect the way the nation is run and that tone of our discourse. they cast all criticism of him as trump derangement syndrome. it is real. it's his supporters who have it. you know, it is one thing to give them a pass for maybe thinking they could roll that dice. but forget about what is said on cnn or in the washington post or anywhere else. just look at what trump himself has told you unfiltered. look at insane rallies and what he says on the truth social and there is an oxymoron, that's it. look at what the people who have been closest to him and the people that have been in business with him and look at what they say. don't pay attention. as mark twain once said, it is easier to fool a man than to convince him. and for now, even if you don't like the alternative of joe biden, it is not to endorse the left wing policy. if you can't see this now for what it is, the maga world and media are a coalition of the brainless and spineless. >> look, i think a lot of trump supporters are seeing what they like to do and they like it and that is what we'll have to face when they become the nominee. thank you for joining us. >> give me 20 more seconds. i've said this for a long time. if you like some of trump's policies, which can be debated, but the nominees and the border and all the rest, you like it. find an honest rational man or woman to advance those policies. and if you are concerned about joe biden's age and his failing capacities, which are obvious, but you like some of his policies. find a vigorous younger person to put the policy out there in a convincing way. it shouldn't be so difficult. 75% of the country isn't pleased with our choices. >> there is always 20 seconds for the last word from you, bob costas, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. have a good weekend. up next for us as hunt hadder biden faces new criminal charges, he tells his friend that republicans are trying to kill him. he'll join me next. and a new conspiracy from the republican who is investigating joe biden in a surreal jake tapper interview. an operative said he was fired because he publicly criticized nikki haley, and he'll join me lateter on in the show.. it seems that no one is happy. hunter biden isn't. his lawyer isn't. the white house is tired of answering questions about it. conservative media is calling hunter bide an whiner tonight, and the republicans investigating hunter biden aren't happy because they think it is all a conspiracy. >> my concern is they might have guided hunter biden to protect them from the committee on wednesday. yes, he indicted him to protect him? >> yes, the classic rubric. he indicted him to protect him. >> and jake, the whole thing has been about a cover-up. you've got two serious concerns. >> is that why he did that? >> you indict him on the little things, the gun charge and not paying taxes? >> and look at what he has done. >> and it is not clear whether james comber realized he was being sarcastic, but yes, the explanation does not make sense. just as republicans are also not happy with hunter biden offering to testify next week. >> i guess my other question is isn't something better than nothing? why not grill hunter biden on national television. here it is. >> this isn't about politics. my job, i know the media. i know the media, and i like you, jake. but the media would like a big public show and that would be entertaining. >> it is me that wants a public show. >> yeah. >> what jake was trying to say is the public show is what republicans have been going for here. congressman and trump backer says it will give trump a little bit of ammo to fire back. and also the same republicans who are hitting hunter biden with the subpoena parade for private testimony are the same republicans who didn't believe in subpoenas over the last few years. for instance jim jordan is threatening to hold hunter biden in contempt of congress, even though jim jordan himself defied a congressional subpoena. and tonight the president's son is making a thing saying republicans are trying to end his father's presidency by killing him. >> they are trying to in their most illegitimate way and rational way, they're trying to destroy a presidency, so it is not about me. and in the most base way what they're trying to do is they're trying to kill me. knowing it will be a pain greater than my father could be able to handle. >> with me now is mobi. thank you for being here. why does hunter biden think the gop is trying to kill him? >> good question. my assumption is because everything the gop says and does indicates that they are trying to destroy him. i interviewed hunter, and my hope was really simple to show the hunter biden, who is my friend. i got to know hunter through addiction and then recovery, and the hunter i know is this gentle, smart, lovely person and it has been discerning for me to watch the gop drag my friend through the mud. and i'm sorrying for rambling on, but he's a complicated person because many of us are complicated. i'm sure he's done stuff in his life he's not thrilled with, but he's really quite a delightful person, and it is very baffling watching, especially right wing media try to turn him into an evil thing when the truth is he is just a nice guy. >> yeah. i mean you mentioned that he's made mistakes. does he show or talk much about remorse for his past actions, especially in light of the charges that he's facing? >> yeah. that's one of the things that i don't know. i don't want to make the assumption that you are people watching him with the direct experience with the addicts or the addiction or recovery. but the one thing i'll find with myself as a former recovering addict and also talking to hunter and the other friends of mine who really have been through the ringer is that there is the sort of sadness about the mistakes we've made in the past and also bringing a lightness to it as well and that self-lightness around the mistakes they made because there is no point in spending your entire life and beating yourself up rather than you would acknowledge your mistakes. you make amends and you hope not to make those mistakes again. >> he talks about how he thinks the republican party or the gop, they're trying to destroy him in order to hurt his father. do you worry about what that means for him and his sobriety? do you worry about a relapse? >> i worry about my friend, the same way i worry about my other friends who are in recovery. for some people their recovery is very solid. other people it is tenuous, and that can change day to day. but what really baffles me, and i don't want to necessarily be too critical of the gop, but what confuses me so much is how the gop is extensively christian. to attack and criticize addicts and people who are trying to get better. where they are not forgiving and loving. >> you know him at this point really well. are you worried that all of this could impact joe biden and his re-election bid? >> i mean i don't know. i don't understand at this point. and what their criteria is for choosing a presidential candidate. i'm baffled by the world of electoral politics. i wish i could be opinionuated about that, but i have no idea. >> fair enough. he's talked to you about maga fanatics harassing him. what has he said has happened? >> well one thing that happened that i found so depressioning was the new york post, you know, the paper published hunter and his wife and their newborn child's address, home address. hundreds of trump supporters showed up like in a pilgrim with pitch forks to try to attack hunter and his young wife and their newborn child. i was just like how is this okay? how does anyone think that attacking, physically attacking at 2:00 in the morning, the family of the president's family. i was like what has happened? where someone thinks that's a good idea. how is it encouraged? whatever ethical standards i have are so horrified by that sort of behavior and the encouragement of that sort of behavior. >> so i have to be honest. i think you are maybe the last person i would think would be the kind of character in this saga. what do you think it is that brought you and hunter to have such a close friendship over the years? >> we're middle-aged guys. we grew up on the east coast. we grew up kind of going to the same record stores. it's sort of the world view and the view itself that you develop when you have been through the ringer of recovery and addiction. it gives you a perspective of yourself and the world around you that's kind of unique. not better, not worse than other people's perspective, but there is a bonding that will come with that. addicts who have been through the ringer, we tend to understand each other's jokes, sadness, and despair. so it is just, almost like the connection you have when you've been in the trenches together. >> just broadly speaking before you go. if donald trump is elected again, what do you think happens as a result of that? >> well, fingers crossed. and i'm just going by what people who have served in his cabinet and known him to have said that he is deeply qualified to be president of the united states. but if somehow he'll get elected, reelected, we have one thing going for us. he spent most of his time eating hamburgers, watching tv. he played more golf than any president ever. so the only thing that will save us from his sort of autocratic is the fact he's a lazy person that just wants to sit in the oval office and watch tv. >> well, on that note, moby, thank you very much for joining us. i hope you have a great weekend. >> thanks for having me on. harvard's president is apologizing saying her testimony to congress about campus anti-semitism hurts students. we'll speak to the j journalistt who inteterviewed heher next. 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there are a lot of calls for her to step aside. do you think it is safe right now? >> right, in the days after the congressional hearing, there were calls for all three presidents to resign in particular at the university of pennsylvania. and it is very clear that the board of trustees there is looking very closely at president liz magill. at harvard, it is not clear that he is at all in that type of peril. there is a lot of anger at campus at the situation, and she has received a ton of criticism including from former university president, larry summers, who in the very initial days after hamas' attack on israel criticized gay's response on the attack, which is really an extraordinary thing to see where we are at harvard and there is a rule where they do not criticize the incumbent. so that was shocking, but right now it's not clear that they have lost faith in claudine gay. >> and thank you both very much as a crimson editor and what you're doing as journalists. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> and an endorsement for nikki haley, americans for prosperity and they reportedly caused some staffers to leave in protest. we're speaking to one e of them next. thank you, next. that's what some staffers at americans for prosperity are reportedly saying. they're flocking from that organization following their endorsement of 2024 gop candidate, nikki haley. and he was terminated as he said after publicly criticizing the group's move to endorse haley in a lengthy thread on x formerly known as twitter. now they wrote in part he's lost all faith in afp following its endorsement. and if it comes down to it, i'll vote for biden over haley ten times out of ten because he's less of a threat to our country. joining me now. he's working now as the new hampshire political director of never back down, a pack backing florida governor ron desantis. chris, thanks for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me. it's great to be here. >> so you say you would vote for joe biden over nikki haley ten times out of ten. really? >> well at the end of the day, it's not going to come to that. we have governor ron desantis in this race and he's going to go on and win in iowa, and he's going to perform very strongly in new hampshire with a clear path to the nominations, super excited to support ron desantis. at the end of the day, he's going to win the nomination, he's going to be the next president of the great united states. >> and it seems pretty clear, based on the polling that he's the one right now, with the momentum in this race. and she is really the only one that has been gaining and not dropping in the polls. that includes ron desantis. and it could very well be nikki haley verses joe biden, that you would still vote for joe biden as a conservative? >> and she represents the failed, the failed path. the farm policy intervention. handouts, subsidies. everything that republican voters despised. and she's got a hard ceiling on the grassroots with governor desantis as they will continue to flock to governor desantis as she looks like they might have momentum on paper with the democrat mega donors and the backing of the wall street banks. but ron desantis has the governor, the backing of the grassroots on the ground. the people that will turn out to vote. they're the ones that will decide this election, not the mega donors. at the end of the day, she might look like she has the momentum, but there is a hard ceiling on that, and we're going to elect governor ron desantis. >> what happened right before you left? you put out that twitter thread or whatever you want to call it and you started by saying that i think i'm going to get fired for this. i didn't clean out my desk. i mean did you do it to get fired? and did that actually happen? >> well, we did part ways. it wasn't because of the thread in whole. at the end of the day, my job was going to go out and turn out voters and turn out the grassroots, and work to support nikki haley, which is something in my heart that i couldn't live with. i don't support her. i don't support her policies. i want to see better for our country. better for new hampshire. and so i said i wasn't going to do the work. i think they were very justified in terminating me because i told them i wasn't going to be doing my job. >> and so you just mentioned earlier the big donors, criticized her as ron desantis did in the debate earlier this week and for being backed by, you know, muddied interests. if desantis had gotten the americans for prosperity endorsement. i mean that is a group that's backed by big money. i mean you would probably still be working for them, wouldn't you? i mean do you think that's a fair critique just because nikki haley is the one that got the endorsement? >> and so in regards to americans for prosperity. the organization i've known for six years now that i have come to love and they have given my start in politics and they teach me everything that i know. the team here in new hampshire, amazing people in the country, amazing people. and they fought for years and years and years since 2004, they fought for the principles that i believe in and the principles that they would help me come to believe in. of limited government getting the government out of the way and rejecting the realistic and foreign policy. and i am disappointed that they endorse ambassador haley. checking way more of the boxes of the principles that they believe in. at the end of the day, i hope, you know, once this is all over that i look forward to them going back to working to get the government out of the way and allowing people to be successful. i look forward to working with them on that mission and once this is all said and done. >> all right, chris, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thanks for having me. next week cnn will host two republican presidential town halls in iowa. don't miss jake tapper's conversation with florida governor ron desantis next tuesday at 9:00 p.m. eastern. and my conversation with ramaswamy next wednesday at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. and next some american cities are looking to ban ski masks that they say is necessary in order to respond to rising property crime. we'll discuss that next. you might want to think twice about what you wear during your next visit to atlanta, specifically when it comes to facial coverings. city council is proposing a ban this week on ski masks or any other item that will hide or conceal or hide a person's identity. now the reason according to the legislation is to help maintain public safety. the city has seen a jump in property crimes this year with auto thefts rising. and shoplifting is up 20%. now atlanta's proposed ban will come on the heels of philadelphia's city council. autothefts are up, 29% this year. and now it is important to note that if you are an offender of both of these potential rules, you would face a fine. but the question that's being hotly debated is this really a right call to begin with? i want to bring in the media personality and host of the higher learning podcast on the ringer. and what do you say? is it a good call? >> long ignored between clothing and crime. and the american think tank, they're looking to look at the bans of armani, boss and all of brooks brothers. to make sure that we could keep the crime in check because we think that if we were able to ban people from dressing like that, perhaps they won't steal millions of dollars from american people. so now i think it is a great call, abby. >> i thought you would say something exactly like that. and where this is happening. these are cities that have large black populations to your point. i think. but also who some of the lawmakers that are behind this, for example, the atlan city council. i get calls from parents from sisters, brothers who have lost loved ones. and we couldtop it because it was on camera. and he says i'm governing it. sometimes we have to govern it. do you think there is anything to the desire to say we should at least see the faces of the people perpetrating these offenses? >> first of all what this will lead to is very clear. it will lead to the hassling of particularly young black males and females. to me whenever you increase the amount of interaction that young black people have with police, you will always see the negative outcomes and the situations where they are thrown into the criminal system and they don't have the money to pay the fine. now they're incarcerated and the cycle begins. i really don't see how in america we're still trying to negotiate and solve crime on the back end of it. if you want to have a conversation about the property crime and why it's going up, then perhaps it might behoove you to address some of the systemic issues that will lead to that type of crime. like trying to make sure we catch all the bad guys by catching what they wear in a free society or what i thought was a free society, seems to be not only a poor, a poor solution to the problem there. and also it seems to be one to put the specific group there and i don't want to see that and i don't want to see anybody arrested or fine because they're wearing a ski mask. >> does it surprise you that they are black? i mean the atlanta -- sorry, the philly city council, i think it is the majority of black members. does that surprise you? >> no, it doesn't surprise me at all. what i think this shows is that there is a frustration in the ability of systems to really change in america over time. we don't know what to do. we haven't really had political or social leadership that will address some of these needs at their root. so we are thinking if we can't stop or see crime, then at least what we could do is throw more people by being able to see their faces. and so i would say that it is not just black issue, it is not a white issue in terms of the way we would talk about the system in america. it is a real american issue. i can tell you one thing that we're coming after brooks brothers, we're coming after armani, and all of the well-dressed criminals in america. not just going to stop, we're taking it all the way federal. >> listen, i'm in favor of going after the white collared crime too. and what can be done? the city is facing serious issues with these crimes. that's not a property crime, but the violent crime. so what could be done about that for these cities who are really struggling with it? >> well, there have to be serious solutions. they have to look at society in a way that we would have it before. we have to look at it in a robust and forward thinking ideas. most of the places that we've talked about have seen the decline in crime for the last 10, 15 years and obviously spikes after the pandemic. what do people need that they are not getting? it has nothing to do with the way they're concealing it. we need to deal with the issues and figure out how we can make societies that will work for people. if we don't do that, then we are always going to see rising levels of crime, particularly violent and property crimes. it doesn't matter what the people are wearing. they will find a way to do whatever they need to do. >> all right, van lathan, thank you very much. we'll take your white collar crime proposal to washington. we'll be back in a moment.t. . a day of emotion and an historic sentencing for families that were waiting for justice, tonight on "laura coates live." you know, it's been two years of grief for those who were impacted by the 2021 oxford high school shooting in michigan. and that pain will never go away. but today they got the chance to at least be heard. ethan crumbly, who was 15 years old when he killed four people

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