send you a free book to answer questions you may have call now and we'll come to you 808 to 14000 welcome to inside politics. i'm dana bash, a manhattan courtroom it's again, setting the agenda for the 2024 campaign, right now. or jury is deliberating, weighing, and measuring the facts presented by the prosecutors and whether they've made a convincing singh enough case to convict donald trump. >> the 12 jurors spent the morning listening to a court reporter read pivotal excerpts from testimony of michael cohen when and former tabloid publisher david pecker, donald trump is inside the courthouse. >> he's not allowed to leave the building until there is a verdict or the jury breaks for the day. so what's going through his mind? >> well, you might call it the freddie mercury strategy. >> he's convinced that nothing really matters and he actually believes that he will likely be found guilty. now, this is all reporting from our very own, kristen holmes, who starts us off outside the courthouse in lower manhattan. what are you hearing, kristen? >> yeah. did it mean to be clear, the big hope for trump's team and former president himself is that there's a hung jury that this ends in a mistrial. not that he is convicted. however, when he is talking about this case with his allies, with his donors, he has told some of them that he believes it is likely he will be convicted. he cites the fact that the jury is from manhattan, a area that is mostly made up of more liberal leaning voters. remember donald trump's team believes at the heart of this that whatever the verdict is at the end of the day, that it's going going to be political. in fact, yesterday, they were actually circulating around the 2020 election data they even sent it to me saying essentially, if you look at this map, it would mean out of 12 residents in manhattan, at least one of them is a republican or right-leaning voter. their excuse for that or the reasoning behind that is that that could lead to a hung jury or a mistrial. now, we have no reason to believe that this is going to be a the political decision. we know that these jurors are taking this very seriously. you have to remember the donald trump and his team. they're sitting there in this room and they really have no idea of what is going to happen. they are reading through the same tea leaves that we are reading through right now and trying to decipher if there is any movement within that jury, if there was going back through any kind of potential for a sympathetic juror. but at the end of the day, they really don't know how that is going to end. >> all right, kristen, thank you so much. we will get back to you if we hear that buzzer go off and if there are more questions from the jury okay. now, we want to go to the white house and the biden campaign. they are watching very closely cnn's kayla tausche joins me now, live from the white house. so kayla, president biden hasn't said much about trump's criminal trial my husband relatively quiet. pointing instead to the independence of the judicial system and of law enforcement. but that's one major challenge when it comes to whether he would weigh in on this this issue and how he would potentially do it, and what he would say appearing to celebrate a guilty verdict would really reflect poorly on his prior perception of new the tragedy as would condemning anything less than that, whether there's a mistrial or a hung jury, as kristen was just reporting the possibility of. but the other issue is biden's scheduled this week and next today is the ninth anniversary of his son, beau's death. and it's normally a de of family mourning and remembrance tomorrow he'll come back to the the white house where he'll meet with the belgian prime minister and also hosts the super bowl champions, the kansas city chiefs, which is normally a lighthearted event and aides tell me if there had been a very quick verdict and perhaps biden would have mentioned something offhand at the rally that he held in philadelphia yesterday. and while it is true that aids can set up a seal and a podium pretty much anywhere in the world for him to deliver remarks that there are a lot of challenges to doing that, especially given that next week, he'll be traveling overseas to france for a state visit. and for the 80th anniversary of d-day. now, so far the campaign has taken up the mantle of that messaging, trotting out robert de niro and the january 6 police officers, but that's gotten mixed reviews. david axelrod, a top democratic strategists, panned the situation that devolved outside the courthouse, saying that it played directly into trump's hand and appear to be more like a saturday night live skit and yesterday on cnn, kate betting field, who's a longtime aid, extremely close to president biden and his inner circle also said that it was a waste of resources that it didn't reach the type of voters that biden at this point really needs to reach that most of the people who would have seen that display already have there minds made up and she thought that it also fed a talking point to the trump team. that's why aid so far non-committal as to whether biden will weigh in and how he will do it. but of course, the substance of what that verdict is is what matters most, dana. >> okay. thank you so much for that reporting. appreciated, kayla. let's talk more about all of this with my terrific reporters here. laura barron-lopez of the pbs newshour, cnn's david chaldean, margaret tala of axios, and cnn's priscilla alvarez. okay. so we are seven what does that say? seven hours and ten minutes in two, jury deliberation. and whose county. but who's counting? >> we are. and as we continue to monitor that we do have a moment to talk inside politics, which we haven't been able to do much because of this, this fascinating trial that's been going on. >> otherwise, you notice not disconnected. >> it's totally connected, but i want to connect to even more right now understanding we have no idea what this jury is going to do, but what we do know from our reported being and that of our colleagues is as we just heard, sort of the prep going on on either side the context for that prep is that we're not sure how much of the electrode is actually going to be moved by any outcome here in the trial. and so that also will factor into how the campaigns respond to it is there a truly movable universe where there is a return on investment for digging into this. obviously, the trump team, i think if you look at the predicate that they've set throughout this whole thing, i think we'll see nothing changed in their messaging in the aftermath. it's been that this is a rig trial. this is all a political prosecution. and i think they're going to stick with that because that does they think wall off a swath of the electorate from being open to having this impact their thoughts. i think the biden calculus here is gonna be a little bit trickier for them to figure out what, what targeted voters of theirs are really going to be interested of biden either hammering away if he's convicted that trump is now a convicted felon and using that that's framing every day or perhaps trying to stay above it all and just respect the jury process, whatever they come down on, i think they have a trickier calculus and going back to the trump team, this caught our eye. this is a headline from politico, and it certainly dovetails with christians reporting trump team. thanks. all verdict outcomes work for trump former president's advisers and allies plan to situate any outcome within the same grievance narrative that he's been cultivating for years. so it's like press f4 on the computer. >> yeah. i mean, it's heads trump wins, tails, you lose. so in strategy that they're using here with these criminal cases is also the strategy that they use with the election writ large, which is laying a foundation of no matter what the system is rigged so if he ends up winning the election, or if he ends up being found not guilty, then great. but if he does, well, the system is rigged anyways, and my voters believed that. now when it comes to biden's campaign we just have a new poll out at pbs newshour that finds it 10% of republicans and 11% of independence. if trump is found guilty, that they could be swayed, that their votes could change, that's and so that's, that's the at the margins. it seems like a small, very small amount, but in those battleground states, the margins is what matter if it's one or 2% raise all of this is going to matter. i think the conventional wisdom up until now has been that on the political side, if there is a conviction for the former president in this legal case that that would hurt him. i think the biden team's real concern is they have no role in this legal fight, but they live with the implications of it. one of the conventional wisdom isn't right. what if there's the boomerang effect? what if it's somehow either helps donald trump? trump or makes no difference at all. and in the back of their minds, they were like, well, let's see how the case plays out, right. so but but it is for the base. they've already decided in the conviction might even ramp up turnout for the die-hard trump opponents. their minds already made up. he's already guilty in their minds. what about the nicki? you haley voters? what about the disenfranchised independent two aren't really sure they want to turn out anyway, would a conviction make a difference? we've seen in polling people saying that a conviction against a candidate would make him less appealing candidate for president but is it this conviction? there is this different than you know, classified documents or trying to sway votes are some of those other things. so we don't know well, i think the challenge is what, how do they message on all of these fronts? >> that's the challenge for the biden campaign because when this trial first started, it was about counterprogramming the former president is in the courtroom were out here working for the american, ignoring it ignoring it where the president was traveling, he is talking about the economy, about health care, about the issues that voters care about. but then when we saw this week and we saw an admission from the biden campaign, the bds circus. they called it was in front of the courtroom, so they went there they said you guys are here every single day, so we're going to enter the fray and we are now going to attack or go on the attack as well on this particular issue. and so they have clearly evolve. they're trying to get more aggressive. they consistently say, and the president's allies say that he's a fighter and that they want to see more of that et from him in this more aggressive phase of the campaign. but what it also shows is that there is a grappling of how do you communicate to those voters were on the margins. that the president is the better choice here because of what donald trump is going through in the courtroom. >> and i think we should just stipulate one thing here because i think sometimes when we talk talk about all of this, we lose sight. being a convicted felon. that's a bad thing. just objectively like that's not a great credential, so yes, not normal. there could be the boomerang effect, yes. it may not be determinative as a negative in the outcome of the 2024 presidential race. but in no universe does donald trump want to be running this race as a conviction? it did felon and in no universe is that like an attribute that he may embrace it for political reasons, akre, but that he embraces in any way personal. it also, in no way is this the top issue on almost any voters less about adaptive? i want to turn a little bit to a little bit of a different topic in the 2020 four campaign. and the question which we're all following, which is the fight for a voters of color, which are traditionally in the democratic wheelhouse and the trump campaign is making a very aggressive push four. >> and one of the questions is whether or not the way that the biden campaign is doing it going after the specific things accomplishments that the biden campaign has gotten for the for the minority communities, particularly african-americans going over saying that they have actually let me just play for you raphael warnock, because he explained this morning on cnn the way that he approaches it and he thinks that the biden campaign is doing it right? as someone who preaches every sunday, i can remind you that there's a reason why we show up every sunday. >> and that is that people need to be reminded. and so i don't think that what the president and the campaign is doing is any different than what the preacher does every sunday, reminding us of the good news and the great thing for us is that we've got a lot of good news to share so the good news that he's talking about our student loan forgiveness and many other again, accomplishment on the biden signed. >> i just want to sort of give you the alternate argument and it's not the listicle. and the specifics, the laundry list, if you will. >> it is as donald trump says african-americans are getting slaughtered hispanic americans are getting slaughtered. >> he means economically and it reminds me of what brad par scale, who was started out in 2016 as the digital media director, had no political experience at all. told me and has since told others about the way that they approached the ads and also the messaging. and it goes back to an ipod not ipad. and iphone ipod. we're definitely dating ourselves and the way that it makes you feel he used that. and others in the campaign ended up agreeing with this as a north star for messaging not what have you done for me? >> what will you do for me? but how do you feel yeah. >> i mean, this is a struggle for the biden campaign and they admit that it's a struggle for them because when other democrats talk about what the president has accomplished or talk about what his administration has accomplished and what they've been able to do with him. they say that that message works really well when they're out on the campaign trail, the number of democratic pollsters have told me that there are candidates, that they're working for right now are outperforming president biden on the same exact message. the president biden is running on. so there's a bit of cognitive dissonance going on right now, i think amongst american voters, also, there are a number of great economic factors. the fact that americans believed that unemployment and is that a 50 year high when it's actually almost had a 50-year low i don't know if it's totally an indictment on us and the press or if it's also the fact that president biden is not the best messenger out there right now for democrats to convince voters that there are these great economic markers. here's what i've done for you. here's what i want to do in the future, because you're right, dana i mean, voters do feel a certain way about the economy, even though it doesn't match sometimes even what they admit, which is that their personal finances are better now than they were previously so that's something that democrats are saying the way that they think he, the president needs to address it is just be out there constant gently in front of voters in the communities and send out as many surrogates as he possibly can. potentially younger ones to make that argument and take note too, that president biden did that yesterday with vice president kamala harris. they don't often go on the campaign trail together, but they were trying to court black voters in philadelphia, which is crucial for them. the state of pennsylvania it's crucial for them and to your point about surrogates, i was in georgia for one of the president's campaign rallies. and that's gonna be a tough state this time around, especially because there's not as many down-ballot races, so they can't get that enthusiasm and needs to come directly for the president. and so i was talking to democratic strategists on the ground who said, look, we need to fan out there, that there's not going to be these other candidates i can get voters excited. you go to the polls. so it needs to come from the president and they have folks like jim clyburn in the president is also doing interviews with journalists, but it's not easy. okay. everybody standby. we are keeping a close eye, of course, in new york at the courthouse there as we wait for the jury's verdict in the dark trump trial, we're going to get thoughts on the days developments from a criminal defense attorney and a jury consultant next and later, republicans buy movie tickets to new cnn reporting from our own personal alvarez, who is right here on how hollywood stars are carefully calibrate, calibrating their approach to the 2024 election and how public or private to be about who they're going to back at the ballot box one of the most active 22 seasons you can't control cool. tornado. >> what kinds of interventions can we design go inside the store premiere of london, earth with the vm schreiber sunday at nine on cnn an alternative to pills, volterra is a clinically proven arthritis pain relief gel, which penetrates deep to target the source of pain with non-steroidal anti-inflammatory medicine directly at the source volterra and the joy of movement why choose asleep divers smart bed my sayyed softer? 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