pete mundane at reagan national airport. >> this is cnn biden and donald trump plan to use during thursday nights historic cnn debate two years to the day since the supreme court overturned roe versus wade, how that ruling is impacting lives and our political landscape today. >> plus it's hard to deal with that much water i it's it's it's a monumental undertaking nearly two dozen counties in iowa underwater the governor seeking emergency relief from the white house this fro israel and pro-palestinian protesters clashing violently outside a los angeles synagogue right 6:00 a.m. here in washington alive. look at the white house on this monday morning. morning, everyone kasie hunt, it's wonderful to have you with us. >> the rematch americans say they have been dreading, will be fully joined later this week when three days from now, president biden and former president trump meet for the first presidential debate of 2024. when, they take the stage in atlanta thursday night, it will be the first time a president and a former president face off donald trump and his allies have been painting joe biden as to put it directly, it senile, so incapacitated by age that he cannot possibly run the country the challenge that that creates is setting the bar so low that it might not be that hard for biden to clear it. hence, these comments from north dakota governor doug burgum, who's being bedded to be trump's vice president i have to look at the guise. run for office more than a dozen times. he's run for president four times. he's been campaigning since the president nixon was in office. this guy has got the ability and we've seen it. we've seen him in debate four years ago. we've seen him in the state of the state of the union this year that when he needs to, he can step up some classic expectations setting right there. president biden has been reading briefings, engaging in mock debates for three days at camp david, his team wants to frame the conversation around abortion, upholding democracy and trump's economic plan, which they claim benefits the rich but let's be real. here is biden campaign co-chair mitch landrieu on their message it really doesn't matter how donald trump shows up if he comes in unhinged like he is most of the time, our he sits there and his quiet people are gonna know that he's a twice-impeached, convicted felon, who has been found to have defame somebody sexually abused somebody, and gone bankrupt six times. >> they will always know that and that is something that the american people have to think about all right, it's a big week, so we have the guests for that cnn chief national correspondent john king is here fully. >> brian is former spokesman for hillary clinton and matt gorman, former senior adviser to tim scott's presidential campaign. welcome to all of you felipe played donald trump in mock debates for hillary clinton. so he's going to sit here and think about how to practice that impression, which you're gonna get to show to hold it for weddings environments, those well, just think about what you're going to say. >> but john, i want to start with you on the stakes for both of these men this week and how you're thinking about this? it's a giant moment for both of them and you're here, mitch landrieu there looked the biden people have an attack plant against trump. i would argue he's the incumbent president. i would also say that's the way i look at it from history. never have we had to precedents running against each other. so the american people are going to be watching this and there's the last three-and-a-half years of their life in joe biden. and there's the four years of their life before that in donald trump so i get the biden campaign wanting to go after the trump record. of course. of course. but i would argue from my travels, they also better affirmatively looked the american people the eye and say, here's what i would do, not just what he would do, but here's what i would do on cost of living. here's what i would do on other issues. he's the incumbent president and history tells us people are essentially deciding, do i like what i have or do i? want to change? now that argument is a lot more complicated when the changes, donald trump and that's the argument biden can make. but as the incumbent yes. i get it. they want to take on trump. they would say you don't want that back. you don't want the chaos back. you don't want that character back, you don't want how he behaves back as president. i get that, but there's a whole slice of people out there who don't like both that's the challenge. the people who will decide this election don't like joe biden or donald trump. and so can one of them say, like me a little bit more philippe, take us behind the scenes of what it takes to prepare for a moment like this. and obviously biden has stood opposite trump on a debate stage before, but the stakes are very different this time i'm the realities are very different this time. >> yeah. to start, i mean, it's interesting, it's been by my count 1,343 days since these two have even been in the same place, the same time and they don't like each other. and that's pent up and that sounds silly, but this is already infused with enough emotion and anger that that's going to take over. i think john hit the nail on the head about what preppers like because there's a tension there. you have your to-do-list. you want to say why i've done a good job, why i'm going to continue to do a good job. here's what i'm gonna do for you. here's why this guy is terrible. the problem is, this guy has got a to do list also. now, donald trump's to do list isn't a strategy, is just sort of a list of grievances and things that have said about with some economic data, sprinkled in so we forget there's, there's your colleagues will be there too. they have a say and what's discussed and how it's discussed. look, 90 million people view and what you mean the moderator, moderator. yeah, people are going to be watching tv he looking for things we don't know about. some people will be looking to see how joe biden looks. some people or you're looking to see how donald trump looks you don't know, but it is it is a clash that it is hard to thread that needle and that's what they're working through for five days up there and look when you're prepping around this time, you're doing those thank you. always want to go. if you're in felipe's role as the opposing candy or if you're trump plan, if you're playing biden, trump's camp, you always kinda wanna go to here because the objective is you want to get them to such a place where anything they've seen the debate, they at least haven't seen or had already felt before. you want to try to elevate it so much that there's nothing foreign get them and there's nothing that's going to surprise them. you want to try i mean, bob bauer did this a lot during the biden campaign. i've read about it where he said every name in the book gets a hunter biden with the objective that when by the time joe biden went out there that night, he was not phased, not surprised. that is sort of thing you want to do right now. you want to get that person just like it was football. you want to i'm seeing every possible play so that when the time comes, they've seen it all, makes a very good point about the personal part of it. so you can study all you want and you get into the room and you look at each other. they don't like it. >> i mean, are they even shake hands, right? yeah. that's a great question. it is a great question. and when one of the american people process of that, and this town gets too caught up in expectations like sometimes the american people are getting around their breakfast table this morning, go well as joe biden, you, how many times did he debated and they want to see who's my president, who do i trust? who do i trust? so the way i would look at this as both of these guys have considerable streets, wealth, them also have giant weaknesses and so in prep, what do you deciding what's my, what's my number one priority to expose his weaknesses or to try to fill in the cracks in my strength biden has the democratic coalition is more complicated and biden has a lot of cracks in that coalition. so how can you answer some of those questions? can you deal with apathy in the african american community on the debate stage? what can you say to try to tell people think about this? really think about this. you don't want him because of this one thing that biden white house policy first, but also politically, they had hoped to have a ceasefire in gaza example, because he has a giant hole with younger voters and with muslim and arab americans in places like michigan, not going to be to do that is to debate. so you almost have to set that one over. we'll have to deal with that some other time. if you don't have a policy initiative or some progress, you can cite to say this. so set that one over here. but if you're, if you're trump, do arrays that i don't i don't think that there's a big enough policy difference there, but that's that's my question. for these guys. essentially, you're in there saying, what's priority number one, exposed his weaknesses or fill in mind, well, hopefully you're doing both at the same time. >> you're saying this is what i did. >> he couldn't do it in fact, this is what i had to clean up because this is what he did and i think it's important to note that the debate is not this isolated event, disconnected from the campaign. so you're ideally going in and you're saying what you say day-to-day. the reason i bring that up is because we're in-between the trial of his 34 convictions and his sentencing. while the trial did not move numbers dramatic likely they did expose sort of a soft underbelly with some groups moved a little, but it also said there are some people who are not happy about this. i don't know that i'm going to abandon the former president and i don't know, i'm gonna go to joe biden, but joe biden has some maybe not low-hanging fruit, but he's got some try to reach for you. it's an opportunity to go for that in ways that not row the two years of roe is a big moment for that economy. what he's done for black box, which has been a huge debate within the debate for four weeks, but matt, barbara good point that it's really just it's no surprises. you want to throw everything at them so that when they are out there they're like you did this with hiller, remember i remember going somewhere after you were done with prep, you were literally dressed like donald trump. choose the cufflinks, the harder actor, like what's the daniel de louis kinda. one lot was when trump line, you'd you'd give the biden well, what? >> han state give to biden onstage to try to prepare them, i would say, you know it's been a couple of weeks, but i want to take a moment to wish donald trump bay happy. >> what does it 79, 70 first-day. >> it's made can't do it. >> all right. if he doesn't, he better get well, that was you said why? >> trump it'd be like, no, i'm not i'm a much better but he's gonna do a thing with the mic. he's going to be like, why is my mic off but you'd the gag me. they want to put me in jail. they turn off my mic. this is one of the many joe what it was to do, what he does channels at those well, he's big on. >> why are they playing with a teleprompter while they're playing with the mic he will play dumb as part of his, they're out to get me. >> very interesting. all right, come up next. what voters are thinking three days out from the presidential debate. john king has been here. he has a new podcast all over the map. if you haven't been following this series, it's amazing, will bring you more of it up next. >> plus how politics and the lives of millions have changed two years after the demise of roe versus wade plus there was this protesters stormy 18th green had a pga tour event the most anticipated moment of this alexia and the stakes couldn't be higher. >> the president and the former president's one stage moderated by jake tapper and dana bash the cnn presidential debate thursday night at nine live on cnn and streaming on max if you're living with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis or active psoriatic arthritis. >> symptoms can sometimes take you out of the moment. now, they're sky rosie so you can show up with clearer skin and show it off with sky rizzi. you could take each step with 90% clearer scan and if you have psoriatic arthritis, sky rosie can help you get moving with less joint pain or stiffness, swelling, and fatigue. and sky rizzi is just four doses a year after two starter doses, serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms had a vaccine or planned to thanks this guy receipt. >> there's nothing clearer skin unless joint pain. >> and that everything your doctor about how sky was he can help with your skin or joint symptoms, learn how abby could help you save home. >> have you been tracking our car's value with carbonic just like seven months. should we sell it? 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our john king explored that question in all over the map. this is a special three-part audio series. it's dropping episodes today and then you'll see more on july 1st and july 8th. here's a little bit of what you'll hear in terms of your personal politics. you say a carrying conservative you decided to vote for nikki haley in the primary couple of months after she dropped out of the race? >> yeah. >> why? >> yeah. i'm sad that we only have these two choices. honestly. and i'm tired of celebrities sort of being in politics. i don't i don't like trump, but i have to say we are for us personally, we are better off when he was president. i don't like how you can't. he's so unreliable in some ways. you never know what he's gonna do next. i just want a normal person like i just want someone normal. i don't want a celebrity and i don't have confidence in biden. so i feel like i don't have a choice of course, john king is here that was a remarkable distillation of what's going on in this election. and so linda rooney lives in media, pennsylvania. she's in the suburban collar and she's she's in the suburban collar around philadelphia that will settle pennsylvania yeah. in pennsylvania, may well-settled the election and people like her in other swing states are going to settle the election. what makes her interesting? she's a nikki haley voter. cast a ballot for nikki haley 67 weeks after nikki haley left the race almost 159,000 people did that in pennsylvania. so there's a target of opportunity for joe biden, republicans who don't like donald trump so much. they were willing to vote for nikki haley seven weeks after she left the race, but linda rooney voted for trump in 2016, that she voted for biden in 2020 because she couldn't take all the trump chaos, but she's a republican by dna. she doesn't like the biden policy agenda she thinks and we can debate this if you want that. he's become beholden to the left. she thought he was a centrist and he's become beholden. she doesn't like the economic policy. she said she cannot forgive donald trump for january 6. she doesn't like how he behaves, but she might vote for him. she says she cannot vote for biden social, either vote for trump and hold her nose or shall write somebody else. and so that's joe biden's challenge. you want to win pennsylvania, try to win her back, but if you can't win her back, at least get it or write in liz cheney or tim scott, or somebody else, right? do something in the debate that convinces her. i just can't do it. so there's so many different layers of the onion. what are you trying to do if you can't get a voter? can you at least keep her from going to him? >> yeah. i mean, is that the challenge? let me cutting through there. there does seem to be some trump nostalgia, right? so even if she says, why can't forgive him for january 6 whatever he did was not front and center here for her, right? yeah. i mean, i don't know if it's the saljuqs, but it's definitely some sort of amnesia. >> i don't think and to tied to the debate a little bit, look, trump has not done a lot of media outset of his usual right-wing bubble. he's been off twitter. i think a lot of people are going to watch him a debate and it's gonna be a jarring reminder of who he is and what did you buy that the biden team believes that the people i believe it because john alluded to this the first time 134 years we had two person is trying to get their jobs back and it's very weird. >> i mean, i don't remember what gas prices costs on january 19, 2021 verse january 21, 2021, it all blurs together, but what joe biden i think has to do is this notion that we've seen this movie before. and it's not that bad like linda rooney might be thinking, okay, i don't like his shenanigans, but i can live with it. it's not going to storm the capitol again, he's not going to do this. the truth of the matter is is that president biden has to make clear that the sequel will be the real horror show, the real blood and guts we'll come when he is now completely untethered, and empowered. and i don't think people process that. i don't think they think that it could get worse. one,