and bring on the good stuff. liver health journey today is gps, the global public square. welcome i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york today on the program the fallout continues from thursday nights, tough debate for the president he is the worst in history by far. >> i'll get insights on next moves for biden. >> and the democratic party i'll get the global reaction from the financial times is edouard louis then israeli prime minister netanyahu said last week that the intense phase of the war will soon in but key questions remain. what comes after what about science? signs of a new war with hezbollah in the north i'll ask israel's former prime minister ehud olmert and i've talked a rabbi, sharon browse about american jews sentiments towards israel, and a growing generational divide later in the show. i bring you my take a case for optimism despite all the worries people have these days. but first to the fallout from thursday's presidential debate it was a moment for president biden, the calm concerns about his age and to present former president donald from a dangerous and divisive figure instead, the nation saw a sitting president with a week with a weak voice, often stumbling through answers sometimes incoherent. so rather than revived biden's reelection campaign, his performance has prompted panic among many democrats. and calls for him to drop out of the race. i want to bring in today's panel david from is a staff writer at the atlantic, who was a speech writer for president george w bush and edouard would loose works for the financial times, where he is a columnist and us national editor gentlemen, thank you for joining me if i want to ask ed, let me start with you it feels to me that the defense so far being presented by barak obama, that biden had a bad night sort of misses the point, the problem was that people were already worried as to whether or not he was competent to do the job by i wrote a piece that i think three months ago pointing out that in 2020, biden led trump by nine points on the question of the who is more competent to govern trump now leads by 16 points. so it's all this was going into the debate. there are 25 point gap between people who they thought was more competent. in a cnn poll right after the debate, 57% of viewers said they had no confidence and biden's ability to lead compared to trump who was at 44. so the problem feels to me like putting the president out again in scripted staged events with teleprompter is not going to solve the problem of what people saw on that debate night i don't think it's going to solve the problem at all. >> i mean, remember that biden on thursday night, was biden after several days of prep and rehearsing with aides at camp david, that was the result of really intensive preparation and it was obviously embarrassingly bad performance he is going to have another debate if he's, if he remains a nominee, doesn't stand down in september which most probably will not be radically different to what we saw on thursday night. but by then it would be too late. by then, there will be no opportunity and no wind do to replace him to have an open convention the convention would have been gone. and if you look at the numbers since there's day, night, it's still a bit early to get the really baked response from the electorate. but if you look at the cbs news poll that came out this morning when at those who thought biden had the cognitive ability to be president for a another four years went down from 35% to 27%, 27% an almost half of democratic voters don't think he's fit to be president for another term these are numbers that suggest he's going to lose in november. and there is time to do something about it. so the circling of the wagons, i understand. probably president obama spoke to people around biden realized biden is not going to stand down. and therefore, he's making the best of a bad job. we know what people are saying in public is very different to what they think in private. and i say that with confidence because that's been the parallel universe. i've been living in, in washington. everybody says one thing in private. and then follows the scripted in public. and i think now that's just impossible to hold after thursday night ed, let me press you on that issue, which is, do you know much about what is going on right now in the biden inner circle, there are reports that there is a kind of family meeting taking place is that real? >> is it consequential? >> what i believe they're all there most of the family, the children, the grandchildren, his sister's brother, they're all there it camp david with him today and this is the key circle. >> this is the inner cabinet. this is the moment for family intervention. if that is what is going to happen, i think from watching the first lady and listening to her understandable desire to stoke up her husband's sort of bruised confidence after thursday night, judging by her four more years, you're the only person for the job that family intervention probably isn't going to happen. and i think bombers post on x reflected that too because i can't believe that wasn't the product of conversations. so i'm worried that this is going to get more and more intense and it's going to take weeks for biden to realize what is staring him in the face. and that will waste precious time in which candidates can put their names forward. he can release his delegates for an open convention that will choose a new ticket david, from telling me what you think the path forward is. before we i know you have you have concerns about trump and the way he performed, but first tell me, what do you think happens that might put pressure on biden. one of the things i wonder is there are going to be democrats that's who are running for governor for senate four all kinds of of positions who are going to worry that they're are going to be affected by biden being at the top of the ticket because it will it is leaving the democrats dissolution. they might not turn out. is that kind of pressure more likely to play some role here? >> well, first i have a little ptsd here because fuel remember this. but in 2004, george w bush got clobbered in the first of two debates, which on carried, he was hazy it is performance so bad that a democratic cut made a video where they took images from his 1994 debate when he ran for governor texas contrasted it with 2004 and suggests that george w bush was in the grip of early onset dementia. he was 58-years-old at the time. the president, the presidential brain is over promote cognitive demands, and presidents get a little shorting president's got a little arrogant about their abilities, and that is why for serving presidents, reagan, obama tend to do very badly in their first. now it's not to make any excuse for what happened. biden. there clearly is an issue there, but it also needs needs context. i am extremely skeptical that the democratic party ribbon as it is along racial, sexual ideological class, regional leinz can come together at a convention and have a rational discussion and produce the best possible what you are much like the tap bloodbath were a century this will be exactly 100 years from the famous there's democratic convention of 1924, where they took more than 100 ballots to pick a candidate because they could not sort their differences between the pro prohibition, pro ku klux klan and the anti prohibition andy, who klux klan, northern delegates. it toward themselves apart and coolidge won in a landslide, might 20 for that may seem like ancient history. now that it's a self-destructive party, it is a party. there's a coalition of many different elements. it's not republican coalition, smaller, but cohesive, and it falls lot democratic coalition is big, but it's very diffuse. this cool four-bedroom acidic and the idea that airing all those grievances on national television, or four days, that doesn't seem to me a wise way forward stay with me. >> we will come back talk more about all these issues. the paths forward for the democrats with 127 days until the election celebrate go forth in america thursday, july 4, they 70s dirt on scene at granger. we know dealing with the unexpected as part of your job description and you made a promise to keep the line running to power through the downpour to be the one who always gets it done. and our promise is to help you do it with professional grade supplies for every industry. plus same-day pickup and next day delivery on most orders, because you can't predict the future. but with the right partner, you can be prepared for him, call click grainger.com, or just stopped by granger for the ones who get it done? 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because it even struck me that bite donald trump standards. it was really extraordinary how much he lied cnn has tabulated, i think 30 lives, but those are sort of the major allies. and what was striking to me, was he was completely unconstrained in even pretending to adolphus gap to the truth. there was in the old days, i think they used to be kind of a kernel somewhere in there that was true and was wildly exaggerated. here. he said that he actually negotiated insulin prices down for seniors when in fact it entirely of product decisions and legislation passed by biden there were so many cases in which it was just an out and out ally is it does feel like it makes you wonder whether this format is one that one should exceed two in the first place, i realized biden exceeded get to it, but it does raise that question it does raise that question. >> and you are absolutely right and others have made that observation are bang on that. this was unhinged orwellian, unending stream of lies from trump, even by, even by his standards but the frustration was, i understand jake tapper and dana bash his decision not to fact check in real time because otherwise, it would just be one long fact check. but that was biden's job. so this to me does bring us back to we have the biggest layer. we have what mitch mcconnell calls a despicable human being up there on stage and the president, president biden, is unable to fact check him effectively on almost anything that is an enormous missed opportunity. you imagine what pete buttigieg would be doing in that situation. you imagine, i think what kamala harris could be doing in that situation or gretchen whitmer, or any number? of potential other democratic nominees could be sweating down most of those leinz, the january 6 one, the one about immigrants, illegal immigrants poisoning lifeblood. the one about trump having the best economy. i mean, any choose that almost any sentence he added so i think there is frustration i have to go back though to the fact that this should have been found out months ago. the should have been a real primary here. there would have been debates if there had been a real primary with real challenges to biden and we would have discovered biden's limitations so to speak, in those debates. and there would have been more time to address this. and i'd just the final point, everything david says is correct about the risks of an open convention and a messy convention. and i wouldn't for a moment dispute david's grasp of that. i agree with them i just think these are two very bad choices. we've got here for the democratic party. and the question is, is, which is worse i think biden continuing in this vein, not one bad night. i think this would be most nights is the worst choice, but i appreciate i fully respect what david just said about the risks of chicago 68 or 1924 democratic convention. those are real david is it your contention that the nature of the democratic party is one where two lead to leave this to a kind of last minute process would create a throw open all those fissures because i do think i mean, you're right that there 24 and 68 are bad examples, but i mean, after all that was how presidential nominees were picked all the time until 1968. and there are many cases in which it went well you know, the party that nominated franklin roosevelt four times so is it, is it you just don't think it's possible to imagine the the party rallying behind somebody. it's too, it's too little time. why do you think it has to be? it has to spiral downward? the way didn't 68 or 24 when harry truman was, when saarland, when henry wallace was moved out of the vice presidential slot in 1944 at the democratic convention. >> harry truman it was moved on. and all that followed the berlin airlift, marshall aid structures of peace and pre cray that decision was really made by somewhere between six and eight people were able for the lock themselves in a room and keep all kinds of consideration. that's not what will happen. this would turn into because the people want to over a pass by joe biden also want to pass by kamala harris they want to have a completely open debate. put aside the first black woman vice president that is going to be a nightmare it's right about the process they didn't have to agree to this debate in the first place. i argue back in april but the debate was a mistake, not because of any lack of confidence and joe biden, but because of the nature of go putting the president on the stage for a joint media appearance with a convicted criminal. it's not something that makes sense and there are a lot of ways democrats could write that could have thought this contest you're, a lot is still a lot of ways. but what they're proposing now is internal bloodbath ed, forget about what you would like to see happen how likely do you think it is at this point that biden is replaced and to what extent are the fears of a bloodbath going to deter democrats? i don't think it's fair of bloodbath that is deterring democrats. i think it's fair that biden will just be to stop and to change his mind and that therefore, you've got to make the best of a bad job and go with that because only biden can do beside there's no committee of elders who can tap him on the shoulder and it looks like jill biden is not gonna be that that person if she were that person i think what shield to say is look, joe you could go within the space of 15 minutes from being a national embarrassment to be very frank right now, to being george washington of the 21st century, to being somebody who, for the greater good of the nation and to protect their own legacy, walked away and said, seven weeks is along a long enough time. to showcase what we're standing four, we say democracy is on the ballot, while here is democracy in action. we are going to choose amongst, it'll be noisy, it'll be vicious it'll be personal, but at the end it will produce a nominee and a running mate. and by labor de, the party will be united behind younger more energetic, articulate people who can read back and crushed trump as he deserved to, deserves to be crushed. i would sa