>> the day maker, pets by public rec, more comfortable than genes, more stylish than sweats with the day makers, you can choose your waist and length sizes to guarantee a perfect fit. now, comfort looks good celebrate. go forth in america thursday, july 4. if 70s dirt on cnn this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york today on the program the fallout continues from thursday nights, tough debate for the president he is the worst in history by far. i'll get insights on next moves for biden and the democratic party are get the global region action from the financial times is edouard louis then israeli prime minister netanyahu said last week that the intense phase he's of the war will soon in but key questions remain what comes after and what about signs of a new war with hezbollah in the north? >> i'll ask israel's former prime minister, ehud olmert and i've talked a rabbi, sharon browse about america you can jews sentiments towards israel, and a growing generational divide later in the show, i'll bring you my take a case for optimism despite all the worries people have these days. but first to the fallout from thursday's presidential debate, it was a moment for president biden, the calm concerns about his age and to present former president from a dangerous and divisive figure. instead, the nation saw a sitting president with a week, with a weak voice, often stumbling through answers and calls for him to drop out of the race. i want to bring in today's panel, david from is a staff writer at the atlantic, who was a speech writer for president george w bush, and edouard louis works for the financial times, where he is a columnist and us national editor gentlemen, thank you for joining me. i want to ask ed ai, let me start with you. it feels to me that the defense so far being presented by barak obama, that biden had a bad night sort of misses the point. the problem was that people were already worried as to whether or not he was competent to do the job by a bee that i think three months ago pointing out that in 2020, biden led trump by nine points on the question of the who is more competent to govern trump now leads by 16 points. so it's all this was going into the debate. there was a 25 point gap between who they thought was more competent in a cnn poll, right after the debate 57% of viewers said they had no confidence and biden's ability to lead compared to trump who was at 44 so the problem feels to me like putting the president out again in scripted staged events with teleprompter he's not going to solve the problem of what people saw on that debate night i don't think it's going to solve the problem at all. >> i mean, remember that biden on thursday night height was biden after several days of prep and rehearsing with aides at camp david, that was the result of really intensive preparation and there's obviously an embarrassingly bad performance he is going to have another debate if he remains a nominee and doesn't stand down in september which most probably will not be radically different to what we saw on thursday night. but by then it would be too late by then, there will be no opportunity no window to replace him, to have an open convention. the convention would have been gone. and if you look at the numbers since there's day, night, it's still a bit early to get the really bag response from the electorate. but if you look at the cbs news poll that came out this morning when those who thought biden had the cognitive ability to be president for another four years, went down from 35% to 27%, 27%, an almost half of democratic voters as don't think he's fit to be president for another term. these are numbers that suggest he's going to lose in november. and there is time to do something about it. so the circling of the wagons understand probably president obama spoke to people around biden realized biden is not going to stand down. and therefore, he's making the best of a bad job, but we know what people are saying. think in public is very different to what they think in private. and i say that with confidence because that's been the parallel universe. i've been living in, in washington. everybody says one thinking private. and then follows the scripted in public. and i think now that's just impossible to hold after thursday night. >> let me press you on that issue, which is do you know much about what is going on right now in the biden inner circle, there are reports that there is a family meeting taking place this is real, is it consequential what i believe they're all there most of the family, the children, the grandchildren, his sister's brother they're all there it camp david with him today and this is the key circle this is the inner cabinet, this is the moment for family intervention if that is what is going to happen, i think from watching the first lady and listening to her understandable desire to stoke up her husband's sort of bruised confidence after thursday night, judging by her four more years, you're the only person for the job that family intervention probably isn't going to happen when i think bombers post on x reflected that too, because i can't believe that wasn't the product of conversations. >> so i'm worried that this is going to get more and more intense and it's going to take weeks for biden to realize what is staring him in the face. and that will waste precious time in which candidates can put their names forward. he can release his delegates for an open convention that will choose a new ticket david from tell me what you think the path forward is before we i know you have you have concerns about trump and the way he performed. >> but first tell me, what do you think happens that might put pressure on biden. one of the things i wonder is there are going to be democrats who are running for governor for senate, for all kinds of, of positions who are going to worry that they're going to be affected by biden being at the top of the ticket because it will it is leaving the democrats disillusion. they might not turn out is that kind of pressure more likely to play some role here first, i have a little ptsd here because fuel, remember this. >> but in 2004, george w bush got clobbered in the first of two debates, which on carried he was hazy his performance for so bad that a democratic made a video where they took images from his 1994 debate when he ran for governor texas contrasted it with 2004 and suggests that george w bush wasn't grip of early onset dementia. he was 58-years-old at the time the president of the presidential brain is overloaded cognitive demands presidents get a little sharing. president's. got a little arrogant about their abilities. and that is why for serving presidents, reagan, obama tend to do badly in her first bates. well, that's not to make any excuse for what happened by there clearly is an issue there, but it also needs needs a context. i am extremely skeptical that the democratic party ribbon as it is along racial, sexual, ideological class, regional leinz can come together at a convention and have a rational discussion and produce the past hospital tick. what your money like the bloodbath were a century. this will be exactly 100 years from the famous democratic convention should have 1924, where they took more than 100 ballots to pick a candidate because they could not sort their differences between the pro prohibition, pro ku klux klan at prohibition, anticoag klux klan, northern delegates it toward themselves apart and coolidge won in a landslide, might 24, that may seem like ancient history. now kinda, it's a self-destructive party. it is a party. there's a coalition of many different elements. it's not republican coalition smaller, but cohesive, and it falls a lot. democratic coalition is big but it's very diffuse. this full mass addict and the idea that airing all 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america's most respected calmness including some starch allies of mr. biden. >> so what happens now, joining me are financial time series. edouard loose and they from who once was speechwriter for president george w bush david you raised the issue of bushes weak performance reagan's weak performance, and obama's weak performance in their first debate. but isn't this different in that what people are worried about here is that this confirms something they all suspected the president biden is indeed very frail, and that when placed in a situation 90 minutes without a teleprompter he he was at various points and coherent and that is not a bad night. that is pretentious about a bad four years going forward well, it is a different thing. >> he is older, of course. but it also is a reminder of how we'd like to focus on the wrong question. i'm looking if biden last slide had debated this week, had debated nikki haley, you would say just what you said and you say, you know, it's an morning of a bad four years. so even if i don't love nikki haley policies made and you could do the job a little bit better and that offsets but what we have here is a battle between the fireball gay and the arsonists. we are in this because the republican party is prowling around somebody tried to overthrow an electron thus, the constitution, who is proven fraudster, who has got half $1 billion with a claim comes against them for civil fraud and is a convicted criminal in new york state court with many more criminal trials to come. and one party has rally to this person there is a sense that the democrats have to now be responsible people rhona, id this up, but we are having this discussion not only secondarily all right, because of biden's royalties were having primarily because of prompts, criminality that's why biden's frailties are a problem for the country and not just for his part and i want to ask you about the debate with regard to the kind of things david was talking about because it even struck me that bite tries donald trump standards. it was really extraordinary how much he lied cnn has tabulated, i think 30 lives, but those are sort of the major allies. and what was striking to me was he was completely unconstrained in even pretending to do office gap to the truth, there was in the old days, i think they used to be a kind of a kernel sum when they're, that was true and was wildly exaggerated here. he said that he actually negotiated insulin prices down for seniors when in fact it entirely of product of decisions and legislation passed by president biden there were so many cases in which it was just an out and out ally is it does feel like it makes you wonder whether this format is one that one should exceed two in the first place i realized biden exceeded to it, but it does raise that question it does raise that question. and you are absolutely right and others have made that observation are bang on that. this was unhinged or well, in unending stream of lies from trump, even by, even by his standards. but the frustration was, i understand jake tapper, and dana bash, his decision not to fact-check in real time because otherwise, it would just be one long fact-check. but that was biden's job so this to me does bring us back to we have the biggest lie. we have what mitch mcconnell hello, calls a despicable human being up there on stage. and the president, president biden, is unable to fact check him effectively on almost anything that is an enormous mistake. but unity, you imagine what pete buttigieg would be doing in that situation. you imagine, i think what kamala harris to be doing in that situational gretchen whitmer or any number of potential other democratic how many could be sweating down most of those lies. the january 6 one, the one about immigrants, illegal immigrants are poisoning lifeblood. the one about trump, having the best economy i mean, i didn't choose that almost any sentence he added so i think there is that frustration. i have to go back though to the fact that this should have been found out months ago. the should have been a real primary here. there would have been debates if there'd been a real primary with real challenges to biden and we would have discovered biden's limitations so to speak, in those debates. and there would have been more time to address this. and i'd just the final point, everything david says is correct about the risks of i've been convention and a messy convention and i wouldn't from moment dispute david's grasp of that. i agree with them. i just think these are two very bad choices. we've got here for the democratic party the and the question is, is, which is worse and i think biden continuing in this vein, not one bad night. i think this would be most nights is the worst choice, but i appreciate i fully respect what david just said about the risks of chicago 68 or 1924 democratic convention. those are real david is it your contention that the nature of the democratic party is one where to lead to leave this to last a minute process would create a throw open all those fissures because i do think i mean, you're right that they're 24 and 68 are bad examples, but i mean, after all that was how presidential nominees were picked all the time until 1968. >> and there are many cases in which went well you know, the party that nominated franklin roosevelt four times so is it, you just don't think it's possible to imagine the party rallying behind somebody. it's too, it's too little time now why do you think it has to be? it has to spiral downward the way didn't 68 or 24 when harry truman was, when startling, when henry wallace was moved out of the vice presidential slot in 1944 at the democratic convention. >> harry truman was moved on. and all that followed the berlin airlift. marshall aid structures of peace and free craig, that decision was really made by somebody. you can say six and eight people were able to lock themselves in a room and keep all kinds of consideration that's not what will happen. this will turn into because the people want to over a pass by so biden also want to pass by kamala harris. they want to have a completely open debate, but put aside the first black woman vice president, and that is going to be a nightmare it's right about the process they didn't have to agree to this debate in the first place. i argued back in april, but the debate was a mistake, not because of any lack of confidence in joe biden, but because of the nature of goal of putting the president on the stage where joint media appearance with a convicted criminal. it's not something that makes sense. and there are a lot of ways democrats could fight that could have thought this contest. you're a lot is still a lot of ways. but what they're proposing now is an internal bloodbath ed forget about what you would like to see happen how likely do you think it is at this point that biden is? placed and to what extent are the fears of a bloodbath going to deter democrats i don't think it's fair of bloodbath that is to tearing down democrats. >> i think it's fair that biden will just be to stop and to change his mind and that therefore, you've got to make the best of a bad job and go with that because only biden can decide there's no committee of elders who can tap him on the shoulder and it looks like jill biden is not going to be that that person if she were that person i think what joe to say is look, joe you could go within the space of 15 minutes from being a national embarrassment to be very frank, right now. to being george washington of the 21st century, to being somebody who, for the greater good of the nation and to protect their own legacy, walked away and said, seven weeks is along as a long enough time to showcase what we're standing for. we say democracy is on the ballot, while here is democracy in action. we are going to choose amongst there'll be noisy, it'll be vicious. it'll be personal, but at the end it will produce a nominee and a running mate