trump lost the 2020 election to biden that and used his podcast to foment protests behind the scenes. he pushed for right-wing members of congress to block the certification of the election the day before the attack on the capitol on his podcast, ben and predicted chaos on january 6. >> all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. it's not going to happen. like you think it's going to happen, okay? it's going to be quite extraordinarily different. >> the comments drew the attention of the january 6 committee we believe must abandon has information relevant to our pro and we'll use the tools at our disposal. to get that information. >> bannon was subpoenaed for documents and testimony. he refused to comply and was indicted on contempt of congress charges. after a trial, bannon was convicted and sentenced to four months in prison. >> i'm a political prisoner. i feel great about it. it won't change. will not suppress my voice. bannon's multiple attempts to stay out of prison ended last week when the u.s supreme court refused to hear his case. and as bannon entered prison, were healthy known as inmate 05635 he said he had no regrets i'm actually proud of what i did. >> our felt terrible if i didn't go yeah, i don't mind going to prison today. >> kara scannell, cnn, danbury, connecticut. >> and i said for us the news continues to source will kaitlan collins start now save them all start from the source tonight, the supreme court giving donald trump a bigger when than even he expected transforming the 2024 race and the country forever with one liberal justice morning that this new ruling makes every president quote, a king above the law. >> what today? this historic decision means for donald trump's criminal cases. i have new reporting and trump's attorney is also here to join me live. also presented by biden weighing in just so a few moments ago when his speech that was watched just for much is how it was delivered as for what was actually said coming after that disastrous debate performance that has loved democratic that's panicked and his campaign in crisis. i'm kaitlin collins and this is the source we start with breaking news tonight as the impact of today's supreme court ruling is already being felt i've just confirmed that the donald trump legal team is now moving to overturn his hush money conviction in new york citing today's ruling from the high court finding that presidents have sweeping immunity from prosecution for their acts while they are in office. we've learned from sources that trump's legal team has now fired off a letter to justice, juan merchan, that's the judge in new york who oversaw his case. they're asking him to set trump's guilty verdict aside. essentially, to overturn it. they claim that evidence that was used during that hush money trial included official acts that trump took while he was in office and they suggest postponing his sentencing. that is supposed to happen and just ten days from now for those 34 felony convictions this news is breaking tonight. is president biden has offered this blistering take just a few moments ago from the white house on the supreme court's ruling no one no one is above the law not even the president of united states today's supreme court decision on presidential immunity, that fundamentally changed for all, for all practical purposes today's decision almost certainly means that there are virtually no limits or the president can do this a fundamental only new principal and it's a dangerous precedent because the power of the office will no longer be constrained by the law even including the supreme court and the states now that addressed from president biden was watched just as closely for his reaction to the ruling as it was for president biden himself. these were his first public remarks since saturday when he was in north carolina. they come amid calls from some of his own party to drop out of the race the finger-pointing has continued tonight over who's to blame for the 90 minute debacle that was last week's debate here on cnn. but the president, using a teleprompter there and also declining to take questions at the end, focused on the ruling and said that he agreed with justice sonia sotomayor, who accused her conservative colleagues on the court of ignore foreign quotes, settled understanding of the constitution of inventing immunity through brute force. and looking to history. and i'm quoting her now only when it is convenient days before the july 4 holiday, both the justice and the president tonight harkened back to the founding of this nation every use of visual power the president is now a king above the law with fair for our democracy. >> i dissent. end of quote so she, the american people dissent i dissent biden is imploring voters to take action in november, but i should note my new reporting tonight's those that trump and his legal team are acting now to take advantage of today's landmark ruling from the supreme court i want to get straight to the source tonight with one of the attorneys representing donald trump in the immunity case, will scharf. >> i should note he is also running in a republican primary to be missouri attorney general. and will it's great to have you back here at tonight you know, for for what's happening tonight with this news and trump's legal team tried thank to overturned that conviction. you're not representing him in that case, but you were there in the courtroom for parts of that trial as it was going on. does anything in the new york case pass the test in your view that the supreme court established today in this ruling? >> yeah, absolutely. kaitlan, the supreme court was very clear that for acts with that fall within the outer perimeter of the president's official responsibilities, acts that are presumptively immune from prosecution that evidence of those acts cannot be used in to try essentially private act. so what we having new york is a situation where a substantial number of official acts of the presidency, things that we believe are official acts were used as evidence to support the charges in that new york trial we believe that that corrupts that trial, that that indicates that that jury verdict needs to be overturned. and at the very least, you deserve a new trial where those the immune acts will not come into evidence as the supreme court dictated today, which, which acts are you arguing that were presented in the trial or official acts? >> so one example would be communications made through official white house communications channels those would be things that we believe based on the supreme court's opinion today, fall neatly within the outer perimeter of a president's official responsibilities and duties. so certainly with respect to those sorts of official communications from the white house that were entered into evidence in that new york trial. that would be the sort of thing that would run a foul of the supreme court's opinion today. >> so like testimony from hope hicks or what exactly do you mean? >> no. i mean, there were, for example, tweets from president trump's official twitter account that were entered into evidence at trial. president trump's twitter account has been held by numerous courts to be during his time as president to be an official communications instrumentality of the white house. so those sorts of things would be official acts under the supreme court's ruling today. and therefore, they were not admissible as evidenced in that new york trial. >> do you think it'll actually warrant a new trial though? and new york, i think it's certainly should i think it just adds to the vast number of irregularities and unconstitutional aspects of that trial that took place in new york. >> we're obviously looking forward to vigorously challenging that trial verdict on numerous grounds. this is just another ground that i think adds to the clamor in terms of overturning that verdict. i'm a little skeptical, but we'll see what the judge decides here. women seen any response from him or from the da's office, but but on this case itself and on the january 6 case here in washington, which is what this immunity ruling came from. justice amy coney barrett wrote it. if the lower judge rules against you on this question of what's official and what's not official, that trump must stand trial. i mean, do you $1 that there is still a chance he does have a trial here for the january 6 election interference case. >> well, first of all, i would note that justice barrett's opinion is a concurrence and it's not controlling. i think the majority opinion authored by chief justice roberts very clearly sets out the path ahead. this case is going to be remanded back to the district court. the district court is going to have to determine which of the acts underlying the indictment or immune and which are not autoimmune. and then we'll proceed from there. obviously, any immunity decision made by the district court we would have the ability to appeal on an interlocutory basis, again, up to the dc circuit and potentially to the supreme court as well in terms of your core question about the trial timeline, i think at the very least, we're looking at a long run ahead before this case could go to trial, which i think is appropriate given the very serious constitutional issues that this first ever prosecution of a former president presents here. >> yeah. but you you have conceded here the last time that you and i spoke in april and john sauer, who was arguing this before the supreme court, that some of what's alleged wouldn't be considered a private act. so that would mean that at least part of this case from jack smith would go to court based on what you have said before, right? >> we've admitted consistently that their acts alleged in the indictment that would constitute private conduct but we believe that if the official conduct, the immune acts in the indictment are stripped away, that jack smith doesn't have a case that this case should be dismissed on that basis. i don't think there's sufficient private private conduct here to support the indictment, to support the ongoing prosecution. and that's going to be litigated in the district court now even just the false claims of electors, you don't think that would constitute enough for a trial we would say alternate slates of electors. >> and as we argued before, the supreme court alternate slates of electors have been a method used by previous presidents that most notably ulysses s grant, to ensure the integrity of prior elections. so we believe the the assembly of those alternate slates of electors was an official act of the presidency. that's what we argued before the supreme court. the supreme court has reserved that issue for determination by the district court. and we'll see how arguments fall in front of the district court. yeah. we've walked through those historical references here before. none of them compared to what we saw 2020 with the fake slates of electors, but will scharf great to have your reaction to this. thank you for joining us tonight. >> i would disagree with that, katelyn, but great to be with you. thank you. >> that does not surprise me at all. thank you very much. well, and here with me now, a former federal prosecutor who was inside the supreme court today, shan wu also cnn senior legal analyst and former assistant us attorney elie honig, as well i'll see you didn't senior law enforcement analysts and the former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. great to have you all here. le let me start with you because on this new reporting tonight of how this decision here in washington has already extending and having its impact felt new york, you predicted this earlier when you were hearing that this was going to happen within an hour of this? supreme court decision coming down. >> you can see the dominoes that we're going to fall. i think this gives donald trump's team a shot, a long shot, but a shot to try to overturn the hush money case. i think you just have some interesting details out of will scharf there as to how they're going to argue it. the supreme court today defined official acts very broadly, broader than i even expected them to. and so donald trump's team is going to say some of the communications, not many, but a bit of the evidence used against donald trump in the hush money trial happened in early 2017 when he was president communications with white house officials. i'm not sure that just using the official twitter account is enough to get something over the line, but they're going to have an argument. i think judge merchan, given his overall orientation in this case is going to be skeptical of that argument. i would had to guess i would guess he denies it. however, this gives donald trump another arrow in the quiver for when it goes up onto appeal and could end up right back in the same place we got our ruling from today. yeah. well, i mean, can you were inside the courtroom in time supreme court as this was coming down and obviously we don't get to actually hear the opinions the rulings being read. what was it like to hear one chief justice john roberts with his ruling as he read the majority opinion, but also the dissent from sonia sotomayor, which is worth reading. also, as you look at all of this, yeah, i'm actually bint one. the announcements before and it was quite a quite very different than being there for arguments. i was really struck roberts was very matter of fact, as you read and the other conservative justices actually seem a little bit checked out. i mean, justice thomas was like leaning back in the chairs, eyes closed sometimes cabinet seemed to be looking at them. but what was really changed the atmosphere in the courtroom? was when she began to read that dissent and there was much more tension in the courtroom. and she really ratcheted up the drama by actually turning towards the conservative side looking right at roberts at certain moments and the fascinating thing to me, he never looked back at her up at all. >> i mean, because if you read what i was just saying, there, she was saying that they were inventing immunity through brute force. she was saying that they were only relying on history when it was convenient to them. i mean, it was pretty scathing of a descent. >> oh, absolutely and you see in the majority, right? i mean, tries to address some of that and i must say, looking at the body language, amy coney barrett, who started off the proceedings talking about the case. she did a little bit of humor. she was by personable. look pretty uptight, sitting next to her looking straight at the back during that very powerful, respectfully, either right? right no they usually say i respectfully dissent. >> justice said, i had a fear for democracy. i just said, i mean, this was a ruling and i think it's important to trump himself was cleaning it full immunity. they didn't actually argue that in court but they did get a lot more than even what the legal team felt they were going to get in this ruling. >> this was not the grand slam that trump was looking for, but it was very close very, very close. and as ellie's mentioned, the definition of immunity is so broad, i think it's far beyond what most legal analysts thought where we would end up that with the addition of the elimination of using any official conduct as evidence in a prosecution that targets unofficial conduct. really carves out a miniscule area of potential prosecution for any president or former president. it's almost impossible to imagine when you cobble together a hypotheticals around, built around different federal criminal laws, somos a impossible to imagine how you build a case to prove those prosecutions to a jury of 12. >> that's a biden was saying today, there's no restraints as he was saying, on the office that he enjoys currently right now. >> and what this means practically those judge chutkan has a lot of big decisions to make, which is when it comes to trump's influence campaign on mike pence, his outreach and influence on state officials, people like the governor of georgia, brian kemp, and also his speech on the ellipse that day yeah the supreme court gave some guidance, some loose guidance to judge chutkan, but you can see where they expect her to go. they basically said the court today said trump's communications with doj. those are going to be covered. he's immune, his conversations with the vp probably are going to be covered, even a speech on the ellipse, they say is probably going to be covered too. so they're signaling the judge, chuck and i'm not going we're not gonna leave you with a lot and you hadn't really interesting exchange does not with little scharf, kaitlyn, where he seemed to suggest that there's gonna be so little left in this case that it's not even going to be enough to support criminal charges. i'm not quite sure it's going to be that extensive, but whatever is left of this indictment, it's going to look like swiss cheese. it's going to have holes all over and his and he said, the supreme court said, you can't even use prosecutors, can't even use evidence of an official act even to just explain this to a jury, even to just fill out the narrative. so if this case survives, it's going to be just barely. >> and justice. amy coney barrett, though, was skeptical and that should disagreed with that, which was notable that's the that's the best example. it's the bribery examples. so if you accuse the president of bribery, that's of course taking a bribe and return for performing an official act you could essentially enter evidence of the acceptance of the prime because that's not official. but you can even refer to the official act. so imagine putting that case on in front of a jury and not being i'm able to explain to them what the official act was that the president allegedly took it's giving me anxiety in a headache as a prosecutor, i mean, having that kind of stuff stripped out of your case it's killer. >> i mean, even beyond the substance aspect the way they set this process up makes it just the torturers experienced are trying to bring cases. i'm just going to be so much extra fact-finding. they didn't give very clear guidance as to how chutkan's supposed to do this it really just makes it sort of death by 1,000 cuts. >> yeah. i don't really remarkable to see how she handles it. and if we have a hearing in front of her over these arguments of these actual issues. a great to have you all there. she had what a better day for you. i hope you write about this in your diary tonight. coming up here hello, i'd cnn, president biden arguing it, it's time for voters to decide whether donald trump is fit for office. clearly, the courts not going to be involved really very much in that. the question is whether or not president biden in is doing enough to quash concerns about his own fitness. the latest on what's behind the scenes 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office in the land the american people must decide. trump's embrace of violence to preserve his power is acceptable perhaps most importantly, american people must decide saying he must decide that the american people must decide come november about donald trump's political fate since is clearly not going to be left up to the courts. >> but that statement from the president tonight, which was not initially on his schedule after the supreme court ruling this morning was also closely watched because of the fall fallout from his performance at cnn's presidential debate last week, it led to calls from some democrats and his party to tell him to drop out of the 2024 race, which he has so far resisted doing. my team of top political sources joined at the table now, and public gala, when you look at president biden coming out tonight, clearly he wants the headline coming out of this to be biden's response to the supreme court ruling, but it's also people were looking at him, how he came out. did it was he going to take questions which i should know? he did not he did read off a teleprompter during those remarks yeah, i thought he did fine. >> he showed strength that he clearly knows about this. really quite radical for joe biden, who is an institutionalist really took on the court, which is very fertile territory. americans hate the supreme court. they think it's biased and corrupt. why? because that's biased and corrupt two-thirds of american 67% support term limits 75% support binding ethics codes sheldon whitehouse, the center from our island has bills that would do both of those things if i was biden, i would ride that horse. people hate supreme court they're there in the tank for mr. trump. they believe i do, too. so i think that's a great issue for him. but do people's disdain for the supreme court outrank his concern, the concern that voters potentially may have. we'll wait to see what the polling shows from last thursday's debate. of course it doesn't joe biden after cannone balling into an empty swimming pool on thursday night, came out tonight and spoke for four minutes off a teleprompter. he's good for four minutes today, as long as somebody else wrote it after having this completely tone deaf sort of announcement coming out of this meeting that you wrote about with his family this weekend where his son, the notorious influence peddler and crack addict hunter biden says you got to keep going also, they were hanging out with any lieber which the photographer which i wasn't even aware she was taken mug shots. now, this entire thing, since thursday has been one tone deaf political disaster after another tonight, he comes out in the texas supreme court and says, oh the president cannot do whatever he wants. the same guy by the way, who's centerpiece of his speeches is the supreme court tried to stop me they blocked me, but they'll never stopped me on student loans. i don't know what they are doing because they don't know what they're doing. and no one in america knows what they're doing. and that's why i've donald trump's beaten his brains in right now. i'm going to take that one. >> yeah. okay any liebowitz, todd doing pictures, i don't even know it's got worse. i know. no mug shot, but with the line sorry. there was such a anyway yeah. okay. he was fine tonight. he did find tonight i didn't questions. >> he didn't. absolutely. and then addresses debate prep on camera halls let's say no here here would be i i wish she would have been able to take questions. i'll be honest because i think if you would have been able to come out and give those remarks, take questions for a period of time. i think that would have potentially started to shift what is what people are feeling about what they saw last week. but, but what is so interesting is that the tenor of the conversations at camp david and with his family and advisers has been about keeps staying in the fight and continuing to fight. and so seeing him deliver a very short statement and not stay the obvious question that was shouted that everyone heard was, are you going to drop out and he didn't take it? you would think for somebody who is you know as i'm told, so focused on fighting, show some show some of that i talked to white house officials this morning who were shaken and worried on thursday evening, they came into work on friday and saw his performance in north carolina. they told me they needed to see more of that and that is not who showed up today. who they fighting so far. >> i've heard them fighting. the media. they're fighting against cnn. i saw that they were slandering some podcasters now they're they're fighting their own staff. it's their fault. is there a one ounce of introspection in these people about what the president himself did on thursday night, not to shake competence it's in his candidacy, but to shake confidence that he could do the job. >> and it's not about what the media thinks or what critics inke. gets out with voters. thank and voters who watched that paul. and so when you look at the cbs poll that was conducted after the debate, it found that almost three forced to register at three-fourths of registered voters don't think he has the cognitive health the service president that's what they have to address. how do you address that? i mean, one remark, one set of remarks tonight is not going to do that. what does statements not going to do it when good rally. he said both since the bay but we have 50 million, 75 million people watched the debate. it probably 100 more million in the memes and posts. so it's a hell of a hill to climb what i think i don't think his peril is over at all. terms. the debate fallout members of congress are going home now for 4 july recess they're. going to go to those wonderful neighborhood community parades and they're going to hear an earful from their constituents. maybe they will here with the biden people are saying, which is we love joe don't stab him in the back hanging that he delivered us from the evil trump backed joe, but maybe they won't, maybe they going to hear he's told he can't do the job, but we're going to know when these members come back. but this is a really important point that paul is making, right? because i think joe biden has earned the right to take a beat, take a step back, gets here that information here from donors. i mean, they've been doing that, right? they've been making calls, hearing the rounds. i think he's earned the right to get all that together and then make a decision about what is the next step, particularly when you're up against a convicted felon who spent 90 minutes and i don't say this to divert from i stipulate to the facts that joe biden was not good of the debate at the same time when you are looking at donald trump misspent 90 minutes lying and gaslighting this country and wouldn't even when it came to january sickness, some very frightening answer is actually argument that jill biden has been making and katie, i mean, you were one of the best sourced first lady of reporters and she is the biggest influence on president biden and what he does here she was saying today telling vogue, we're not going to let those 90 minutes define the four years that he was president will continue, divide tell us more about what you have heard in your reporting of what she's doing behind the scenes, what she's saying behind the scenes because she matters most of all. i also i just think it's important to understand how this family works in a way. and her place in it, but also the children, the grandchildren they view obstacles as part of his story, as part of his tapestry as long life and politics, and the way they're talking about this is we have seen, we've been here before. we can keep going and she's she is a voice that reflects that view but they all are. and what, you know, what i haven't really picked up. well the family and the inner circle acknowledge how bad it was they haven't acknowledged 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gonna be able to go to go out and weaponized as they say, the department of justice against his adversaries i don't think there's a particularly acute risk of that joining me now, another former top trump official, ambassador john bolton, who served as donald trump's national security advisor and also as an assistant attorney general under president reagan it's great to have you here ambassador, is you first read this indictment of trump and the january 6 case that this whole decision stem from using you didn't think any of the acts were official acts. >> so i wonder what you made of this ruling today. >> well, i wouldn't have written the opinion this way at all. i do think that they overstated what the extent of immunity was, although they provided a lot of opportunity to question aspects of it, saying it was only presumptive immunity. i think the key thing that they did, they could have done more of was to distinguish between official act and not official acts, which the dc circuit and the district court did not do an adequate job of. and by the way, when people complain about the supreme court taking too long to decide this case, if jack smith had an overstated his claims like trump overstated his claims maybe there would have been more examination in the courts below of what's official what's not officially in terms of the jack smith indictment, the vast bulk of it deals with the efforts on the fake elector scheme out in the state's much less of a deals with the justice department. so i think the indictments survives and i think that there's a lot more to come. i think there's going to be another supreme court decision before this case goes to trial. i do think that there was not enough consideration by the majority to what the circumstances are where you can look at the president's motives and that's where i think bill barr is wrong on what trump is going to do. he is going to try to use the justice department to seek retribution against his enemies. >> this was the fascinating part of this, where they're saying that any communications he had with the justice department were official acts and therefore, that's they can even get into that. they were like, that's off limits. and i was just thinking when then acting attorney general, jeff rosen was was testifying about part of this. he talked out the pressure campaign that he faced from donald trump after bill barr left. this is part of what he said that would not be able to be used in court based on what the supreme court found today. >> so between december 23 and january 3rd, the president either called me, are met with me virtually every day at one point, he had raised the question of having a special counsel sulphur election fraud at a number of points he raised requests that i meet with his campaign council, mr. giuliani, one of the later junctures was this issue of sending a letter to state legislatures in georgia or other states that part is interesting because trump wanted to get rid of him and put another loyalist in charge of the doj to actually who was willing to send that letter? >> yeah. when geoff rosen's case, that's sure. trump had lost the election. that's when he suddenly stood up to it. and when trump was still contesting the election, both he and bill barr tried to stop publication of my book, knowing that it had been cleared in the pre-publication review process. and i think deceive the court so rosen's testimony is a little bit suspect i can tell you from my own personal point of view. i think that the court missed the opportunity to say that the president not only has constitutional protection, he has constitutional responsibilities primarily to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. and if there was ever a case where i think, you can say that the president's got to be scrutinized. it's when his own reelection is at stake or when he's seeking to use the justice department or other elements of the federal government to seek reprisals against his personal enemies and i think the court missed that, but i think when you look at what the district court can do now to sort this out, i think there's still some possibilities there, and i think when it comes back up, you're going to find more than five justices who are very dubious about some of these trump actions. i'll say that this doesn't go to court before the election. >> it doesn't seem likely trump wins reelection. with this power that he was given today when it came, came to the justice department. let's just focus on that part i mean, what does that mean for how trump couldn't use the justice department and face no chance of prosecution if he's reelected. >> well, i think it gives him a lot of leeway and i think there you've got to weight, you're going to have to see whether his own political appointees or career officials at the department begin resigning when they're not going to carry through with acts like, for example, charge mark milley with treason for his conversation with his chinese counterpart trump, just said recently that liz cheney should be tried by a military tribunal for treason. mike pompeo accused me of treason. so there's a long line of trees and prosecution's ahead here that i think are potentially very dangerous, not just to those in line, but for, but for others who could be in timur dated by this. and i think it's anomalous as the court said, that they can wall off communications with the justice department, but the vice president could be in a different situation. i think i think there's a lot of room there for the district court to say there may be presumptive immunity for what trump tried to get mike pence do but we see the circumstances and what they said the content in context of the communications were to break through the presumption presumptive immunity. is this new now found language, so it's a rebuttable presumption as we say. in other words you start with that, but you can show and the court made this clear in conversations about what trump said on the ellipse that day too, that they could break through that presumption. so i think the district court has a lot of room to run ambassador john bolton. thank you for joining tonight. good to be here. great to have you coming up. remember this quote, when the president does it, that means it's not illegal former president nixon, 47 years ago, but today, conservatives on the supreme court seemed to say hizon, something next is former white house counsel, john dean is going to weigh in next i'm certain it's level five. our years for imprints certain i'm starting this level time certainty matters like the certainty of four imprint your home for high-quality promotional gear, including the exclusive items and brands they love, printed perfectly and guaranteed to arrive on time to wow your clients, nail your next event, or inspire your team checkout for imprint dutch gum in brin for certain palmer glow showed up right on time and did by dishes, my 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president nixon's former white house counsel john dean, and it's great to have your job because i just wonder when you look at this ruling today from the supreme court you think then president nixon would have, would have resigned from office had this immunity decision been in place when watergate happened absolutely not. >> i think it's clear from reading the decision with a very broad definitions our official conduct and up versus on official conduct or outer perimeter conduct he would have survived. he would have not been he would have been immunized i'm not going to get into the weeds of watergate, but broadly speaking when the court outlines what it means by those terms and it's effort to just outline for trump and the lower court what to do. i just couldn't excrete thinking about that quote, that's why i tweeted it early this morning and how it would have survived in your mission, what is survived it? >> i mean, it is remarkable to also think how that would have altered history to think if it's not resign. but but on what sotomayor said today, i mean, it was very scathing dissent some people believe it was over torques that it was exaggerated, when she says that this effectively means a president is now a king above law, i wonder if you agree with that sentiment it's a radical decision to me i'm not surprised. >> we have a radical court. they're blowing through precedence of 50 years with row 40 years was shot of rom starring decisis has no meaning to them. so they just qarrah, new ground and that's i really anticipated the worst today. and while it wasn't total immunity unless it's official conduct, it was very broad immunity. trump was granted well, and the other part of it that i was thinking as to donald trump is re-elected, which you very well could be the impacts of what this means. nixon was obviously ultimately pardoned, but is attorney general john mitchell mitchell center 19 months g. gordon liddy, 4.5 years his chief of staff, h or haldeman spent 18 months in prison it goes on and on. those around him. i wonder what today's ruling means for people who carry out the president's orders because as donald trump is much testimony and many interviews with former officials have said he doesn't always explicitly say something, but if he has someone carry out something that he tells them to do what they're not immune. obviously based on today's decision, it only applies to the president that's a great point, caitlin. no question. that was also in my mind when nixon made that statement, when the president does it, that means it's not illegal. he later in the same interview said, but what is the staff going to do if they're not taking care of because president's don't handle all these things. they give orders and others carry them out this opinion doesn't address that question he's got to have willing conspirators, if you will, who are ready to go to jail because they're not immune unless the court comes back and starts to even saying, well, white house staff for anybody in the agency saez, who follows an illegal order is somehow immunized. that really will change the nature of government. because a lot of people will still feel the restraint of the criminal law. and if they're freed up it's katy bar, the door we heard from lawmakers today about this congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, i democratic course. so she's going to filing articles of impeachment against the supreme court justices. she said, quote, that she believed that this precedent that was established here, that they've made the supreme court consumed by a corruption prices beyond its control that it's up to congress to defend our nation from this authoritarian capture. she doesn't, which justices she's, she's going out there, but i mean, you could make obvious inferences there from justice thomas, justice samuel alito. they stayed on this case despite being called by some to recuse themselves, didn't that goes anywhere. do you think congress does? anything with this i don't think it goes anywhere. >> it's a political statement. i'm not even sure the house judiciary committee, which has jurisdiction, whatever take it up under the current circumstances with jim jordan controlling the committee. just not going to happen but a bill of impeachment is also a privileged document that goes to can command attention by very filing of it. so we'll see yeah, we will see indeed john dean. i mean, no one better to hear from on this. thank you for joining tonight thanks, katelyn. and still ahead here. another, it's amazing that this is not the lead story tonight, but that's how much news is happening long time travel is steve bannon is now behind bars in federal prison for the first night tonight, but we have new details. i'll the last minutes of freedom, the moment it's sunk for him, the prison consultant bolton, who was with steve bannon, joins me next we always love taking care of our home, but left asked your grandpa here, broke his arm. 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right now, as we speak, donald trump's former chief strategist, steve bannon, is spending his first night in federal prison the far-right firebrand reported to a low security facility in danbury, connecticut today to begin that for months sentence for dupont defying a subpoena from the january 6 congressional committee. >> supreme court rejected his effort to delay what you were watching right here. that is moment before you wanted to court today. and this was one of his final messages i'm a political prisoner. >> joe biden, the crop by miss down i'm proud of going to prison ever first were no remember, right. to have my voice and my voice is going to be heard every day. and more importantly, their voices are going tonight's inside source as sam mangle, who is steve bannon's prison consultant who dropped him off today and sam, i should just note just far viewers. donald trump did an interview just a few moments ago claiming that biden is going to pay a big price for steve bannon going to prison. i should note by nothing to do with what happened. it was because steve bannon divide that subpoena. but but on what we saw today steve bannon reporting to this facility that you arranged for him to actually go to in danbury, connecticut? i mean, tell us what what was he like in the final moments, had it sunken that he was actually about to be spending the next four months behind bars o kaitlyn, thanks for having me back. >> i think anyone going into prison is going to be scared is going to be nervous naturally, when you have somebody that's used to a lot of press has a firebrand rhetoric and wants to have the appearance of a sense of bravado and being bold i get it. but as soon as somebody walks through those gates in the salary board door closes reality sinks in. when we got there. steven, i and bernie carrick and somebody else drove up the road we were met by the captain. we walked inside, met with lieutenant and was a very civil handoff. steven, i went back into the back room. we talked, i reminded him of all the things that he needs to remember and really focus on while he's there. because this is a chance to remove himself from everything that's going on outside he's not going to have internet, he's not going to have very limited phone time. his emails where we monitored heavily his phone time, we mailed have i don't think it really sunk in until he and i were getting ready to say goodbye and r&d reception came out very nicely. they welcomed him. there was no handcuffs or anything like that and brought him back to be processed through. >> yeah. i mean, he was quite defiant outside of the actual jail today. who's thinking with marjorie taylor greene and others? i think that's obviously his persona that he projects. but are you saying it was different when he was actually getting ready to go in to have the strip search to have those moments that is typical for every prisoner. but, you know interesting to see that happen to someone who was in the west wing not too long ago. >> he was ready he was prepared. he went in there. he held his head up high. i think the biggest part of anyone going to that situation is understanding the environment you're going into. when you realize it's not your playground, it's somebody else's and they they call the shots and the bop could be very punitive if someone upsets them or says the wrong thing, they could be subject to some form of punishment. and his punishment won't get him extra time. it could land amendment in the shoe for the length of stay well, you also helped him get into a certain part that's designated for veterans. what's that going to look like? does he have a deceive a prison job? what does that look like? >> so we got him into the vet unit. it's one of the dorms. they have their a similar to how we helped peter navarro get into the elderly unit he's going to probably have a job in the library as a library orderly something that really suits his age. and what he wants to do. but he's good, he's gonna be a number. he's going to twice a day, three times on weekends, have to stand by his bad and be counted it's going to be in many ways culture shock and it's a very humbling experience for anyone when they know podcasting, right? i mean, that was something i wonder his allies wanted him to be able to podcasts from, from jail, no internet access. can you call into a show? yes. but he cannot conduct business while he's in prison. if he gets caught conducting business, he could wind up losing all privileges it's fascinating. same and glaucon, you obviously with a
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