>> we are now awaiting reactions from the white house and possibly even hunter biden himself, after the first son was found guilty on all counts and his federal grandchild. hunter biden was accused of lying of his drug usage after purchasing a john back in 2018, it took the jury just about three hours to come to a decision. it was a quick verdict. it marks the first time the son of a sitting president has been found guilty of a federal crime. we are still awaiting deal to us on a potential sentencing date, sentencing often happens about a hundred and 20 days from the moment of the verdict so we will see if that is the case. >> kayleigh: hello, everyone this is "outnumbered" i am here with harris faulkner and emily compagno. joining us district attorney, superior court judge and you know her, lisa boothe and kevin walling. first let's bring in david, live outside or house? >> hello, everyone. it has been a moment and set the court room when this verdict was read. as you said that jerry was not out long at all, maybe about 15 or 20 feet i was sitting behind hunter biden, he was showing no emotion looking forward and trying to be upbeat after the verdict was read. it was notable not only that he was convicted on all three counts and we could hurt a lot of salacious text messages and photos and things on his laptop and from the zach clapper at the end of the day, this was about one gun form that he signed in october of 2018. he said he was not addicted to drugs on this form, and was convicted of lying to a store clerk and then possessing a gun illegally for seven days having been addicted to drugs. it is notable that special counsel david weiss, brought all of these charges against hunter biden. the first lady, rushing to the courtrooms a few moments after and the reason i highlight that is to give an idea of how fast this happened. the judge brought the jury and they said go back to deliberate and they only deliberated for about an hour yesterday, they started a little bit after 9:00, and then after 11 we had a verdict. there is no sentencing deadline yet but it's about 120 days from now, hunter and his team left but we may hear from special counsel at some point today. >> kayleigh: quick question for you david, i was reading "the daily beast" and they talk about the 25% gorilla in the room, not pound but person. hunter biden had quite a entourage in the courtroom, you mentioned the first lady, what was the reaction of verse 25 people? were they stunned? >> james biden, the president's brother, and uncle, seemed very angry. he was looking straight forward and looking very stoic. especially when this happened. the first lady was not in the room when it happened, she walked out, hand-to-hand with hunter biden holding his hand and showing support. hunter biden turned around and kissed his wife and padded somewhat on the back, valerie biden, the sister, was actually in the hallway when the verdict was read and she kind of hastily renting quickly after. so a lot of people were surprised that this happened sod to run back quickly to see the verdict. but a lot of disappointed people no question in the courtroom. kaylee? >> kayleigh: thank you. and just then, we have a statement from joe biden on the guilty verdict. of course that is his son. here he is, as i said last week, i'm the president, but i mostly father. we love our son and we are so proud of the men he is today. so many families who have had loved ones who battle addiction understand the feeling of pride in seeing someone you love come out on the other side and being so strong and resilient in recovery. i have also stated last week, i would accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter biden considers an appeal, my wife and i will be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. it is a big moment, i can imagine personally for the president, i remember a political article, he is right about the psychological torment as hunter biden has for trial. they said that these are the sources for political, he has expressed fears about the possibility that his son wolf served prison time. one advisor said that he worries about his son every single day from the moment he wakes up to the moment he goes to sleep. i seem to only pick up during the trial. this statement is reflecting that sentiment. >> the statement was a good one. they got it out just in time. they didn't waste any time. he did the right thing and took the right track. i am the father and part of my son he is overcome this addiction problem. but remember, he is not 18 years old. hunter biden is 54 years old. he was in business, and businesses with foreign countries that have been assented the biden family. many of those family members are sitting in that courtroom, and they are showing what i will say is a show of strength, that unity. some might interpret it as a show of force or intimidation but as i said as the first day on jurors' election i didn't understand why the first lady was there during jury selection. i have seen this for many years, but during jurors selection, that is a message. i have my secret service here, we are a unified front. and the bottom line is those prosecutors have been been sown in various. they say you know what we are knocking to take this on the chin this time we are going right for it within a tell the jury that is not evidence and let the jury understand that even though there is a show of unity, in essence, that is not evidence obviously and is also a dysfunctional family. this is a family where the women involved, they have so much that was visited upon them because they were related to hunter biden. whether it was the wife of the ex-wife with a widow or their children, every woman in his life, has been impacted by his negative activity. >> one question for you judge, hunter's attorney is a great attorney and everyone respects him. but when you have a case so clear-cut and the facts next to the law, bingo, that initial guilty plea crumbles. why didn't he advise -- maybe he did, go back to the table and plead guilty. you are not going to win, why was he confident he could win? >> jeanine: because he is a biden. this is the first time hunter biden has faced responsibility and consequences for his actions. i wasn't aware of it until the trial that he was known as the prince in that area. but he was the son of joe biden. this was a man who is 54 years old and been doing a lot of shady stuff. getting thrown out of military for crack use. so they thought that the fairy dust would spread all over in the jury would buy into it. but they didn't. and abby is brilliant. but he overplayed his hand. this is a straightforward case, as i've ever seen. how often do you hear the defendants, his voice bellowing in the courtroom. i was an addict at this time, a you know, the jury sat there and said, you know what, they proved every element of this case. there was no significance, it was straightforward and we had circumstantial evidence. direct evidence. now they want us to believe he's an alcoholic -- what a backup from? he overdid it and it didn't work. >> so many good points. especially that reporting. but all you have to do is google. >> harris: is a lot of him online. >> jeanine: there was. he could never take this down. if he took the stand and perjured himself, the judge would know they would not pull any punches. vicky yu move for perjury and that could be used against them in the guidelines in the sentencing guidelines. so, abby was smart enough to know they can never put them on the stand. they would have to ask him about a lot of other bad things. >> we found out from the ex-girlfriend, the ex-wife, how much there was. andy mccarthy, fox news contributor, we welcome you to "outnumbered." you know, i can't help but think if not for the laptop denials. there were two things that went wrong, kaylee brought it up for hunter biden. he states the stunt because he wanted to have a congressional subpoena gaia but we found out that he was shooting a documentary. there were a lot of things around him that were rather explosive, but that laptop, if his father had not gone on record for this information, all of that. it ends up the heart of the case. do you think this case -- you would you been able to get all those messages and things? could they have gone after him is not for the laptop? >> the laptop certainly made it a much stronger case. the other thing areas that you had in this case that you do not know or hernani have is hunter reading his memoir, that was like having to defend its own voice narrate his crimes. bell is also something that was not a part of code that is usually available to prose prosecutors. look, i think that the trial strategies you, it was not good. it was not designed to have a good outcome. but at the same time, if my high school football team is gonna play the kansas city chiefs, they can get their brains began because -- >> i mean, they had no matter -- no matter what strategy or a cat they try to pull out of the hat in this case they really did not have a chance. the evidence was overwhelming. >> going forward in this trial, if this was an easy or guilty on all three counts against hunter biden, the receipts in this one, during a time with their questions about his dealings with foreign entities and his father is on some of those phone calls and so on and so forth, what do you see? >> i would just point out that when the sweetheart plea deal happen the gun case was the one that they try to divert. the tax case was one that what they were willing to plead guilty to. they wanted to plead guilty to misdemeanors and have the most serious conduct plug down in the case is so overwhelming, that the so-called special counsel, david weiss, he actually allowed the statute of limitations to eat some of the tax years that have the most serious criminal conduct in them. the years that jill jill joe bin was vice president. that case was overwhelming to us as much is this case. i cannot conceive of them going to trial on that and the weeks prior to the election. you have to think a guilty plea. the reason the guilty plea broke down is because number one, hunter biden did not want to accept the fact that a jail sentence was likely when you talk about $4 million in income that he evaded taxes on. that is what is going to happen. but the other thing i have to say is just bad lawyering. as you point out that this is before abby came into the case. the first set of lawyers. what broke the plea deal down was that hunter wanted weiss to go on record to basically say he was getting a immunity back on everything that was conceivable other than what he was pleading guilty to. and his lawyers did not trust -- one that broke down because weiss politically felt like he could not say that in the courtroom i think that hunter's lawyer should not have trusted that weiss did not want to prosecute hunter and if they are just gone with the flow, he never would have been prosecuted on anything else. but because they would not accept it, that weiss politically could not get up, and do what he wanted them to do, they said tear up the agreement. this is the aftermath of that. speeches thank you, you have been with us for several hours and we we are in your expertise. as well as the whole team at fox news. you have done an amazing job. thank you. kaylee, can i say this. because in less than an hour and 20 minutes from now, the president is set to deliver remarks on every time constance university. in washington hilton. he's going to talk about gun law, and the judge pointed out the right timing of that response. the written statement. they are absolutely right on that. do you want your first words and reactions to you son, 54-year-old man, being found on all counts against him meta-dylan fairchild? you want those first what's out there before you have to stand up before the gun law audience and talk about anything. >> kayleigh: let me give you a quote from about a year ago, could hunter biden be the next poster trial for second amendment rights? the great irony that president biden today is arguing for forcefully enforcing the second amendment, and his son will be arguing the opposite in the court of law based on the supreme court opinion, which could absolve them in time, constitutionally he may be able to have this sentence go away may be an appeal, but the tension between a father and a son on this issue is going to be interesting to watch. >> jeanine: it's not just a father and a son, a father who is in the department of justice, who tried to give an immunity dealer in perpetuity, where he would never be held responsible or indicted because he has lifetime immunity. this was a department of justice under jill biden that dragged its teeth and allowed the statute of limitations to have the most serious tax charges. so, they did everything they could and it's almost like this is. this is a jury coming back and saying, you can play these games, the federal judge did not buy it, not the jury didn't buy it, and they cannot do that anymore. you have an individual, who was so dead to write in terms of his doing things illegally, that they do not have any choice at this point. no one has a choice here. >> that is exactly right, it is interesting to watch, emily your thoughts? >> emily: a broader landscape, the president if he releases a statement about how much he loves his son, is anticipation of how much he might become incarcerated for this, but the reality is there's almost a hundred and 57,000 american families who are federally incarcerated at this moment, going through exactly ws going through at this moment and they do not have the benefit ofe biden name to be shocked or to be angry about it because they have the law come on them as hard as it always does. to come of this little bit, the sentencing, the duration of the sentences for federal firearms have been increased throughout the years as state sentencing has actually decreased so right now there's a hundred and 56,000 plus federal incarcerated almost 21,000 of them are in for firearms offenses. our whole third had no criminal record a little criminal record before. so hunter biden is clearly within my point, his peer group. in the thought that there is that oh, i am so sorry, i did not mean it. which defense tried to call it the presentation here, chatting in the first lady as a clear, a clear attempts on intimidation or persuasion but was far outside the confines of a right reputable court room and then to plea on the heartstrings, there are plenty of fatalities that occur with people under the throes of addiction and plenty of criminal behavior that yes they didn't need it, but they are still consequences for their actions. so hunter biden right now is joining the 10% of federally firearms violations and conviction in last year alone, he is not joining that group it is a large pool. so the point that the president is going to make this part of his gun campaign, this is a slam-dunk case for him to say yes, this is the system i contributed to working. here's someone who is not getting off because of money or name or influence, this is essentially a strict liability offense. where if you did it, you are guilty, you are going to jail. welcome to the real world, hunter biden. >> kevin, speaking as a parent, it seems inconceivable that a parent will not do everything in their power to keep their trial from having to endure a potential jail sentence. i know hunter biden has ruled out the idea that he would be parting, but do you think there's any flexibility? now that there's a verdict? >> kevin: he's been very clear and they said it overseas, he doubled down on saying that he will not pardon his son. and i think to emily's point, that's why the statement and -- it was so important. the president needs to respect the judicial process and affirmed its outcome. that is hopefully a step in the right direction of hopefully, getting this country back on board with respecting the judicial process. there has been under attack for the last number of years. we have called into question the power of the jury deliberation and a jury deciding of our peers. peers. so hopefully that will be one good outcome now this afternoon there's an event as you rightly say and point out at the white house, to cause them to question, somebody thinks we can do on the margins, we passed the bipartisan gun legislation that the year and a half ago which was supported by the president, trying to double down on some of the good things of the elements but certainly there's a split screen going on with today's outcome. >> as you look at the split screen before you, you can see the attorney for hunter biden, who just walked out of the courtroom, you can catch a buncf him there. let's bring in fox news contributor jonathan turley. professor turley, i mentioned to kevin to president has been absolutist and saying i will not pardon my son, but any observer of the law knows that there is no one's there. maybe he doesn't pardon which would absolve him of all guilt. but what about her commutation he is not specifically spoken to a commutation which would reduce his sentence. >> well, i think that is clearly a legitimate question. but the real issue ultimately will be what joe biden will be thinking if he is a lame duck president. usually controversial pardons are granted in the final day of a presidency. we saw bill clinton do that when he parted his half-brother and also another person who was perhaps the least worthy of a pardon. a democratic donor, they usually wait until they are literally leaving the oval office to grab those types of pardons. i think that going forward, you are going to see if there any attractions of appeal, they are hoping that the supreme court might be able to give him a lifeline. i am doubtful, even if a pending case goes for the second amendment, keep in mind that when hunter biden was convicted of, he was lying on a gun form. those cases turn on whether you should lose your second amendment rights, if you are a drug user. but, i hope that the supreme court is going to say that that justifies you are lying on a gun form. he didn't say yes, i am a drug user, but i still believe i have a right to have a gun, he lied. and that's what he was convicted of. so, the assumption that that case will wipe away this conviction, it is probably a misplacement. going into this next case, he is going there now as a convicted felon, right before an election. and he should have pleaded guilty before this trial ever began. now the pressure will be doubly so going into los angeles. >> kayleigh: at that. they knew what on that gun form on the second amendment argument, the american public from a political standpoint is curious, are we going to see hunter biden, and his attorneys, as a robust second amendment activists over the next few months? >> right, we have already seen it, they have ripped a page out of the nra briefing book. they made the same argument already that the nra has made, and said that this is my second amendment right and i believe in the individual right to bear arms. his father is saying the exact opposite, keep in mind that hunter biden is challenging the law to his father has heralded and asked for even greater penalties on there. so the gap between the two bindings here could not be lighter. >> even the left wing could not script a scene like this. we live in our times. thank you. more "outnumbered" coming up next. and i'm gonna' cashback on a few other things too... starting with the sound system! curry from deep. that's caaaaaaaaash. i prefer the old intro! this is much better! i don't think so! steph, one more thing... the team owner gets five minutes a game. cash bros? woo! i like it. i'll break it to klay. cashback like a pro with chase