everybody. i'm judge jeanine pirro along with harold ford jr., jesse watters, katie pavlich, and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." ♪ ♪ it is a trump freak out friday. the former president knows how to make democrats and the liberal press completely lose their minds, and this time, they are freaking out over a report that claims that he trashed milwaukee during his closed-door meeting with congressional republicans beard multiple lawmakers in the room said trumf context and trump himself says it's fake news. >> there was a fake story that came out, milwaukee has a problem with crime, as do most democrat-run cities, almost all of them have a problem with crime. but they also have a problem with votes. and election integrity. that's what we want to make sure we get straight. >> judge jeanine: but in a collusion of stupidity, the media and democrats are pouncing on it. the dnc throwing up billboards in the milwaukee area to knock trump. the biden campaign is selling these not a horrible city merchandise. and the good biden lapdogs of morning joe turned into a frat house this morning, literally busting out and drinking beer from milwaukee at 6:00 in the morning. and later, mika was seen sporting a milwaukee t-shirt. >> can i just say something? love milwaukee. >> it is so good. >> all of us to live through his presidency so right back at you, buddy. it is kind of bizarre, actually. unhinged. >> i don't know many people in milwaukee who have 34 felony counts against them. crime rate sure is going to go up when he joins us. >> judge jeanine: and dear old nancy pelosi and the media can't believe that republican voters like a republican president. >> they have become a cult to a thug. and that is really a tragedy for the grand old party and what they were. >> looking at this room that i don't want to be hyperbolic, but it has a feel, something more akin to what you would see out-of-state media from north korea. >> why are so many trump voters voting trump to a low standard. most biden voters hold biden to a higher standard, what is it that makes trump voters except the word salad or word vomit that comes out of his mouth. >> going to talk about them and very distinct ways because they are not the lesser -- one is not the lesser of two evils. >> judge jeanine: okay, jesse, i will start with you. there is no tape recording of this. there were republican senators and congresspeople. they said that basically the president was saying, we are having the convention here, this place is not so good for crime, and of course, the democrats jumping all over it. are you surprised? >> jesse: no, they are good at it. i'm impressed by how good they are at this. they are so dishonest and they are so maliciously coordinated. i wish i knew how to do it. but i just have more character than they do so i would never do anything this dishonest. judge come he didn't say it, nobody in the room heard it, and a reporter writes it and it becomes a hoax, and just like the bloodbath hoax, just like dictator on day one or the revenge folks, this is all they have. it is all they have just like the russia hoax where they used to go to these briefing rooms and adam schiff would come out and lie about what the intelligence said. just like they say when he visited the war memorial over in france, they came out and said, oh, yeah, he said soldiers were losers. just never happened. but these types of things aren't going to work this time. this isn't like another race. this is about the fundamentals. the fundamentals of this country are shot. and it is not like your typical election where one guy wins this news cycle and then there is another gaffe and this guy says this. no, that's not going to happen. voters aren't persuade by debt anymore. they know who these guys are, they know joe, they know trump. the best way to persuade someone, you offer a vision so they can understand how their self interest is affected. now joe biden has not done that. how is he going to bring down housing and rental prices? how is he going to secure the border? how is he going to improve your standard of living or your quality of life? he has not done that. so he and the media, all they have are this b.s. garbage that's not going to work this time because the trump has policies, they don't. >> judge jeanine: it's interesting, harold, they talk about donald trump and the media acting like a state media in north korea, it seems to me that the democrats, with what happened in 2020, were like a -- the russian media, you can't talk about this, you can't talk about that, the laptop is not realty >> harold: so good to be back -- >> judge jeanine: it is so good to be back with you. >> harold: a couple of things. i give people the benefit of the doubt. kamala on my present from said in his own statement, concerned about crime and i accept that. he went on to say, i was referring to also the ballots, the way up and down, it was very bad in milwaukee. i would be curious what he is talking about. if he still questions the outcome of the election. even there he says, if he elaborates and clarifies, i'm fine with it. i find it interesting when people in the press or politicians don't give people space to answer a question. if they said something, they misspeak, and a lot of times, there are a lot of people who in president biden miss speaks or slips, they jump on. i can't do that with him. if what he is saying as he questions the election results, we should take him at his word. too, give people space. president trump has certainly done that with his vp list. you look at those on the list, for years said terrible things about him, i expect the fact that senators vance, senator rubio, senator scott, who was a friend, i now think differently of this. and i give people that space come i try my hardest if people are actually being honest and genuine about it. and i hope, again, one of the reasons i said to democrats, if there is a republican president, katie and i have a little different opinion on this issue, maybe we all do, if a republican president says i'm going to enact some gun reforms, and democrats said no, no, we can't let him or her do it because that would mean that republicans get the credit for it, i would be a first person to criticize democrats, if not repeatedly criticized them. we have not done that with president biden on border security. may come around and think last minute on it but if he comes around i think it is a good thing just like senator vance has come around on president trump, senator rubio has come around on president trump, and i take them at their word be it i get president from the benefit of the doubt beer but he wasn't talking about milwaukee in that regard, he was talking about something else and maybe we should ask him what that something else is. >> judge jeanine: the good news is he is probably happy to answer it and he has already answered it and there you have it. an accountable candidate for president. all right, katie, let's talk about the fact that people who follow donald trump, they run the gamut from a cult to a thug, and it's a tragedy for the grand old party. >> katie: they are just going overboard again. so they misconstrue what trump said and instead of taking an opportunity to actually talk about what joe biden has done for the people of milwaukee or what he has done for the people of wisconsin, talking about why he is ahead in the polling in wisconsin, while he is behind in other swing states, the media has to go overboard and break out the beers and accuse the republicans and trump of hating milwaukee, as if they hate the city so much that they are bringing a convention there and they are going to infuse millions of dollars into the local economy. in a place where restaurants were closed for years. this is the first real convention that they are having in a city outside of washington, d.c., that is going to benefit the local community. they don't want to talk about crime. they were distracting and climbing onto what trump said about this because just yesterday there was a 9-year-old boy who was killed in his bed because of a drive-by gg shooting. they don't want to talk about those things that are happening in milwaukee and the policies that have led to that continuing on. i think the team biden has missed an opportunity here to really talk about his record and why he is winning wisconsin in will win it in november and instead they are misconstruing what trump said. >> judge jeanine: greg, katie makes a great point, joe biden could come back and say this is why i am winning and this is why you are losing. the truth is that all the democrats do is just trash the people who support donald trump. the divisiveness is part of their playbook. if you support trump, you are just a cult and you are a thug. >> greg: i think the key difference is when you say it is a cult, you are talking about people and not the cult leader. so when they say that they are actually just insulting millions of people. we try to always focus -- and i think even trump, trump does this, celebrities, political leaders, people in the news, i don't think he's ever gone on after democrats, and he tried to conflate him talking about the city with milwaukee-ans -- is that how you say it? what the city is, damaged, may be permanently, progressive policies. and the media, instead of ever bothering to address the policies that have destroyed these cities, they focus on the criticism, as if the criticism is worse than the things being criticized. crime or poverty, milwaukee is the second in poverty rate out of the top 50 cities, 25% of people in that city live in poverty. so why doesn't the mayor address that instead of spending all your energy on this other thing? that is what is called a luxury belief. the fact -- and milwaukee doesn't have the luxury to focus on trump's words. they should be focusing on what's happening to the people in milwaukee. the concern over trump -- this is pretty obvious -- the concern about trump and the concern about biden are almost exactly the same in intensity. it's almost like a mirror image. but there is a key difference. the concern over trump is what if. and the concern over biden is what is. we can see it. they can see it. their concern over trump's personality, luxury belief, the concern over biden's physical and mental state is not because our future is in his hands, whether it is foreign policy, economy, crime, the ego. their concerns, that montage of the media, that is the voice of damaged egos and feelings. trump upsets them because they have told those people in the media, you are no longer relevant. you are no longer the center of the universe. you can sit there and laugh, but people are still going to vote for trump, and what they are saying is, and with the voters are saying, we will take trump's mean tweets over getting mugged any day. trump pointing out that the left ruins cities is not offensive. the fact that the left ruins cities, that's offensive. >> judge jeanine: okay. coming up, dark brandon is bombing with influencers. gen z wants nothing to do with brain freeze biden. ♪ ♪ we've always loved taking care of our home. but last year, grandpa here broke his arm. we realized some home maintenance jobs aren't worth the risk. that's when we called leaffilter to protect our gutters. leaffilter's patented filter technology keeps debris out of your gutters for good. they gave us a free inspection and we had the system installed that week. my only regret is not calling them sooner. now we can focus on what we really enjoy. join millions of satisfied homeowners. call 833 leaffilter today or visit leaffilter.com ♪ ♪ >> katie: well, who would have thought this? our 81-year-old president joe biden is not a big hit with today's crop of young hip influencers. gen z content creators who supported biden in 2020 are reportedly turning against him, citing israel's war on hamas, lack of progress on my progress on climate change at a potential tiktok band. can joe win them back? maybe it's just time to deploy the secret weapon. >> so the importance of community banks is, as they are called, they are in the community. led by members of the community. let me tell you, i love gen z. i really do. >> katie: but as joe biden bombed, influencers are flocking to donald trump. the former president getting interviewed by logan paul on his popular podcast. because there is something, their unidentified aerial phenomena in the sky, don't know what they are. do you? >> so, it is such, a question i do get a lot, such an interesting question, am i believer? no, i probably am, i can't say i am, but i have met with people that are serious people that say there is some really strange things that they see flying around out there. >> is this your mug shot? [laughter] >> biden is just so bad. he is the worst president in history of our country. so that helps, too, too. >> you should make a distract on him. >> will do something. >> katie: jesse come as an influencer in your own right, what is your analysis of these influencers basically saying biden is not left-wing enough, got terrorism for them to get a spot. >> jesse: so the media is fractured. recently. it was kind of god in different directions. aunt trump has picked up on t that. used to be able to do networks, fox news, that was it, maybe talk radio. now it has splintered and he is doing podcast people a couple years ago would have been like, what? now he is doing logan paul, he's done candace, tim cast, and he is getting to an audience that usually doesn't pick up on political news, and that is smart. that he does free things like go to ufc fights, which is just free media. then he starts talking about bitcoin. again, you are tapping into a different demographic and people started thinking, whoa, wow, okay, listen to this guy. joe biden is still stuck in the '90s, where george clooney and julia roberts, that kind of endorsement, jeffrey katzenberg, that worked back then, but it's not cool anymore. and if you look what joe biden tried to do, the only thing he tried was howard. and the rest is cnn, nbc, and so he is really just kind of stuck in an old-school media landscape and hasn't been able to break through. and not to mention the fact that his policies are just terrible. if you are young, you just don't have the upward mobility that you used to have in this country, and that is really what it's all about beards before so greg, the leftist media has tried to erase this from trump's record but he has been a master of the culture since he has been on the scene. this is just an extension of that, in the new age of different kinds of media appeared media. >> greg: you know, i still maintain it is not about youth, it is not about race. it's about gender. what you are seeing is a shift in men realizing that the democrat party is not a party for men because the so-called phony empathy that they are pushing has led to an increase in crime, a dissolution of our border. and i think men watch that and just see, wow, this is a weak party. is morally weak. there is a lack of objective understanding of incentives and injustice. right now men in the media, men in the democratic party are feeling like they are stuck in some emotional, primal therapy of white ladies finding their identity in self-flagellation. and they are like, you know what, and getting the hell out of here. as the election season ramped up, you would hear moderates saying we are not pleased by either choices. whether it is biden or its trump. cool. we got that. but the republicans actually did something about it. they stress tested trump with decent alternatives. desantis, haley, vivek. trump won. the dems didn't do that. they doubled down on dementia and put all their eggs in one awful choice, hoping they could mine january 6th forever. and it failed. again, republicans did the work while the dems kind of created a moat around biden to keep away actual challengers. and now they are stuck with this guy. i'm going to repeat what i said yesterday. you've got to reconsider your choice because if you somehow pulled us out with some kind of shenanigans, i hate to use that word so lightly, but shenanigans, you could deal with a public who doesn't buy the election. they are going to go, how did that, that, win. no, pointing at biden. how did that win? we don't buy it. you're going to have to deal with that. >> katie: so harold, you can respond to the accusation that the democratic party is not the place for men. overall, is biden just trying to hard to be hip and cool f, whers trump is kind of in his natural element, doing the podcast with the influencers and going to ufc? >> harold: i'm a proud guy. i don't know. i think there is some merit in some of the things that greg said, a lot of things he said. >> greg: thank you. drinks later? >> harold: biden is leading amongst voters 65 and older. by 12 points. that is no mere province that republicans enjoy. the last 50 years, republicans have won that share of the american voting public every time except three. the polling suggests that lower drug costs is the most prominent reason why some in that age group or the majority in that age group are favoring biden. when you also look at that data, i think we can all agree, this is not democratic talking points, older voters vote more than younger voters. you pull it out and look at the state and commonwealth that matter the most in this election, pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, older voters generally vote more. two, i look forward to this debate between the two of them. because i think this could really reshape the dynamic of the race in favor of one of them, and i think it will have implications for what happens at these conventions. it could very well have implications for what and how former president trump thinks about our running mate. i do hope they ask they ask specific questions about the country. the judge is right at the end of her first segment, i said what i said, you know what, president trump is accountable for his words. i want both of them to be held accountable. how will you lower grocery prices? how will you lower gas prices, electronics? remember, june 27th is 5-6 weeks before half the schools in america start and that will be on parents minds. will you keep us in nato? will you support ukraine in its effort to beat russia or putin, rather, and would you stop that? finally, are you committed to keeping abortion legal and safe in the country? i want to hear their answers. we can -- look, i respect whatever your answer is, but i think the country should know what their answers are, and if those answers are not sufficient, we all have our biases in the race but we can all be honest, if those answers are not sufficient, i think they will be reflected in the polls. the older voters could flip to republican and younger voters could flip, but as of right now, katie, your question presupposes that whatever joe biden is doing is not working totally with younger voters yet. >> katie: judge? >> judge jeanine: the sad part about all of us as we have a sitting president and we should know the answer to all those questions. because joe biden has the bully pulpit. he has the ability to tell the american people now where he stands on these issues. is he doing it? no, he's not capable of speaking. he goes out to the g7, and he's walking away looking at people who are skydiving or whatever they are doing and they have to pull him back and say mr. president come over here. the man is on another planet. so when charlamagne tha god says, you know, we want a politician who talks like real people, this isn't about, you know, this issue are that issue. i mean, we have known historically, people vote for someone they like, someone they connect with. the young people, if anything, are exquisitely sensitive to the frail