falling out of step with so many public. we have covered this before. it's a huge deal as the republicans face the midterm defeats in ohio, kentucky and virginia. the party is still reeling from that, celebrations where republicans are usually supposed to win. democrats feel emboldened. so, abortion rights groups working in tandem want to seize on the momentum, and make new pushes to protect abortion access and freedom, in states as red as even nebraska. >> protect our rights is an effort to put abortion rights to a vote in nebraska. >> you know, we have seen time and teen again, especially with how just last week, you put abortion on the ballot, and voters will protect their rights. nebraska is no different. >> that was just last night. you see the echo of ohio going into this week, and potentially future elections. it's just a fact if we're following what voters and different people have said in different places, in every election since the supreme court overturned roe when the composition changed with trump justice, the efforts to secure he rights are all undefeated in states red, blue or purple. voters have backed these issues over and over. this is where you see things are sometimes changing. we hear sometimes in politics things repeat so much, you thill they'll never change. but we have noticed something that hasn't yet changed the world, but is changing the rhetoric. some folks are rethinking what they've been doing. >> what an epic failure. >> on the issue of abortion, in ohio tonight, we continue the losing stream. >> republicans can't keep tumbling and bumbling on abortion. we will lose again and again and again. >> now, those were just random clips or voices. they are now that is only part of it. a, it's rhetoric at this point. you heard -- and second, they don't have as for the underlying issue, remember trump had to make a deal with the people who wanted roe overturned. he had to take a list of people he would put on the court, and he did largely choose from that list. there's a coalition here in a long-returning politics. if anything, in the face of these losses in red states, they're talking about doubling down. the truth is for me, i wouldn't compromise on abortion, even if it did mean losing an election. i will never accept abortion. i will never compromise. >> we don't have to waiver. >> there's no middle to be found. >> we had to get roe versions wade overruled. it created a ridiculous unconstitutional license to abortion. but now -- we just have to abandon it, man. >> that's backed by people like senator graham and others who talk about national bans. that's what the hard right wants. and, by the way, since it's gone to the states, no state with a referendum. there's a bit of a -- and also clearly people, including the trump side looking at election next year, where donald trump, according to some of these folks, who want him to win, they think he might lose more over a national ban than even his own trials and other issues. so this is one of the big stories out in the country that affects people's lives, but also will shape a lot of what comes down the pipe. that goes to the wider losing streak. he lost the last election. he needs to find more people to support him the last time. the losing streak is clear. if you go through every time there's been a maga election, i've always reminded folks, yes, he legally won. we follow the rulings and the outcomes of the election. clinton goes 3 million more, then the blue wave in '18. then as mentioned donald trump would need to make up about 7 million-plus more vote to even be close. then, of course, '22, the red fizzle. and then ohio, as i'm telling you about tonight, leading on to other states, where you have these dem wins in '23. if you actually just look at who votes -- i'm not saying if this is good or bad, but reminding people how it actually run -- clear out the hype, propaganda, rhetoric -- these are the years when more people back the democratic candidate. only once in to 04 did more people go to the race and actual ly preferred a republican. it's no surprise that donald trump has a lot of aides and former officials running around saying, hey, republicans, if you have any hopes of running even with biden next year, you have to get off your losing abortion message. will they listen? michael steele, former rnc chair and msnbc analyst is here. the numbers matter, as mentioned. i'm not telling you whether to like them or not, but boy, has it been a losing streak since trump got affiliated back in '16. where does abortion fit in for the party you once ran as rnc chair? >> the interesting thing, in answering the question of where it fits, are the clips coming into the segment. in the first clip you showed, reince priebus and stephen miller, fox news, talking about abortion on election night and afterwards. reince says, you know, we can't afford to bumble and stumble our way on abortion. then you had stephen miller saying we need to know how to talk about abortion. well, what the hell were we doing for the last 50 years? didn't we have a message on abortion over the last 50 years? we started very clearly turn, return abortion, the abortion rights discussion to the states the we laid out the value of the proposition over life, for life. so what's different? ah, what's different is you caught the car. you got what you wanted. you started acting aggressively. you baited and switched the voter. you said, oh, you know, we want to make the case for life, and we want to let the states decide. when the states decide it, particularly the blue states in reaction to how the red states were starting to decide on abortion by criminalizing the womb, by criminalizing travel, by restricting access across the board, by saying no longer 26 weeks, but 6 weeks, or okay, we'll be generous and give you 15, and the public reacted. kansas happened. ohio happened. all of a sudden what they realized is, wait a minute, these red states have a different view than we do as a national party, or we do as special interest on the subject. the second thing i thought was interesting in the second set of clips, you shod the individuals calling for an outright ban, we're done. what did we notice in that clip? they were all men. there weren't women out there screaming, yeah, we want to ban abortion, we want to make it illegal, we want to criminalize it, we want to say you have no right to access in rape or incest or life of the mother. so, you have still these white men -- sort of these young white men from the clips you showed talking about, well, we'll just abandon it outright. the message is not only mixed, but inconsistent with where, in large measure, kansas and ohio have told us the republican party really is. >> we have lauren leader standing by, who is a big person on this issue. no often, michael, but you're here because of your affiliation with the republican parties. >> i understand. i understand. >> to the point you just raised, the men talking, if you want to put it bluntly, and some of the men lying, i want to show before i bring in lauren -- she'll be here after our one-minute break. for folks that watch the show, they know how we do it. talk about men lying, look at hannity versus senator graham. >> democrats are trying to scare women into thinking republicans don't want abortion legal under any circumstances. >> i think we should have a law at the federal level that would say, after 15 weeks, no abortion on demand. >> so hannity says they're trying to scare you. that's actually the truth. michael, i want you on the politics of that, and lauren on the human rights of it all. both of you are here. we're back in one minute. it's also a special friday. we have the jack smith preview, and the elon musk problem, and tonight, hip-hop start li'l durk makes his debut. we're back in 60 seconds. if they continually believe, well, we can adjust or position, people do not trust you. you lied in kansas. you lied in ohio. you tried to rig the system against people, and people have caught on to this. we are back with michael steele, and joining us, lauren leader, cofounder of all in. i hand the floor to you, lauren. >> you also started talking about the math. one of the things you left out is that part of the reason why those numbers look the way they do is women are the majority of the electorate. they turned out in greater numbers in every single election since 1980. when you look at the questions about turnout and what we might expect in '24, we've been polling this since it was overturned. for women voters, obviously for democratic women, but also importantly for independent women, for suburban women, and for frankly a growing segment of republican women in the electorate, abortion is not that it's just on their list of things that matter, it's the number one, most critical voting issue. it is the thing they are voting on. i think when we look at this overall scope of what's on the ballot in '24 and what's been on the ballot in all these midterm election, over and over again the pundits -- especially "new york times," deuce respect, has been keeping publishing these polls, but they've been wrong. when you look at what actually gets people to the polls, and of course for democrats, turnout is everything, what's getting women to the polls particularly is their anger about the rollbacks of abortion rights. what i think we have to keep watching is what's happening in the state legislatures obviously these big refer ren comes, they've been over whelm -- -- what is the next big frontier is what happens in state legislatures. you have a bunch of states with a disproportionately high percentage in the state legislature, and north carolina is a great example of that one -- 70% of voters in north carolina, do not support bans on ace bores. the first thing they did was to restrict abortion rights. look, with due respect to my democratic friends, democrats have not focused on the state houses for many years, and republicans at the same time they were working relent leslie on packing the supreme court and shifting the power dynamics around abortion, they were also filling state house with his pro-life legislators. >> you packet in so much -- >> sorry. >> no, it's great. i wanted your reaction as well, on the so-called double tubal -- michael called it lying -- take a listen. >> we don't need to divide american over this issue anymore. let's find consensus. >> we're better off when everything counts. >> i trust the people of this country state by state to make the call for themselves. >> sexual responsibility for men. >> i'm 100% pro-life. >> if you took them at their word, there were differences. >> i think nikki haley is the only one i'm concerned about. i think she had an opportunity to take a different tack, which really would be to stay leave it to the states, this is a freedom issue, women should have a right to make up their own decisions. instead she equivocated. i think it's a missed opportunity for her, especially if she climbs in the polls they're not tied for second with desantis and i think may start breaking out even more. nobody knows what to do. michael knows this. this has been 50 years of talking points and frankly a lot of funding from the christian right and anti-abortion groups. i think there's a lot of candidates at the state and national level, they literally don't know what to say, because the sands shifted so fast. 50 years of politics having turned upsidedown. >> michael? >> i think that's exactly right. this is why i sort of led off with the point that, you know, we -- for 50 years, we had a message. post-dobbs, we seemingly don't. the reason is because the message was leave it to the states. the states now have it, and the people don't like what the states are doing. there's no counter measure. the reality of it is, for someone like nikki, a way to slide and to hold that pro-life flank while she trying to 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