seated on your soil, don't be surprised that you will harvest sharia law. >> there have been muslims in the world. can you keep them out of north america or western europe? >> i think we have to. >> that was far right politician wilders speaking at donald trump's nominating convention in 2016. now, wilders has won major victory in the netherlands. another troubling sign of the rise of far right extremists getting elected around the world. also tonight, an extended reprieve from the fighting in gaza. as more hostages are released in exchange for palestinians imprisoned in israel. plus, the shocking events over the weekend in vermont. as three college students of palestinian descent are shot by a lone assailant. the latest on the investigation into this apparent hate crime. and we begin tonight with a dark moon rising around the globe. just before we all broke for the thanksgiving holiday, we received disturbing news from the netherlands. the dutch people handed anti-islamic populist wilders a stunning and resounding victory, what he offered his country was a referendum on leaving the european union or nexit, a complete hold on asilic seekers and a migrant pushback at dutch borders. he's also called for the deislamization of the country, which includes no mosques and no islamic schools. it was a stunning swing for the country, which is one of europe's most socially liberal and has prided itself on tolerance. now, many of you procedure don't know or remember wilders but he's been an opposition force in the country for years, and he's best known for his bottle blond hair. he's also well known for his islamophoic rhetoric which has made him popular among ultra nationalist leaders worldwide. he once compared the caron to mein kampf. they go through this spazmotic tug of war between liberalism and ultra nationalism. roughly a week ago, the argentine people elected javier mille. he told the world he wanted to blow up the system. he also defended the country's dictatorship and their atrocities. we'll soon get to see what that looks like. he's promised to ban abortion, ban gay marriage, and slash the size of government. in october, the polish people who have been ruled by a conservative party that dismantled the judicial system, mainstreamed nationalism, and set the country at odds with the european union, well, they voted that party out. meanwhile, in italy, georgia melody was elected prime minister. her party has roots in nostalgia for fascist dictator benito mussolini. she has moderated her stance, which is what wilders has vowed to do, but he'll have to bring together a governing coalition first. you can't help but wonder if this is what is in store for the u.s., given we are dangerously close to re-electing donald trump, a man who has made vengeance, xenophobia his platform. trump spent thanksgiving truthing unhinged promising about repealing obamacare and speaking about his legal cases when he wasn't confusing joe biden for barack obama again. we know what he wants to do to migrants in the united states and it's a plan based on president eisenhower's deportation campaign, offensively called operation wetback, which is fitting for trump. trump wants to conduct sweeping raids to round up millions of migrants, shove them into camps, and have them forcibly deported. this will be paired with a ban on immigration from muslim majority countries, and he plans to revoke visa status for foreign students who participated in anti-israel or pro-palestinian protests. he also plans to end temporary protected status for people like haitians and afghan immigrants fleeing the taliban. and for all of those who want to take to the streets and protest, well, he's already stated his desire to use the insurrection act to direct the u.s. military to crush dissent in mostly democratic cities. and frankly, the way our laws are written, given the weakness and fecklessness of trump's political party, there isn't much that could stop him. the signs we're seeing at home and abroad make it clear we continue to face an existential crisis. and as perry bacon jr. notes in "the washington post," it's more than democratic versus anti-democratic. it's whether we want a multi-racial democracy or no democracy at all. joining me now is ruth ben-ghiat, professor of history and a scholar of authoritarianism, and david jolly, msnbc political analyst and former republican congressman who is no longer affiliated with the party. ruth, i want to go to you first and get your reaction to the serial elections in argentina, and the election of mr. wilders who is a rather notorious islamophobic and far right wing figure. >> yeah, we're living through times where hate is on the agenda, anti-immigrant, anti-immigration hatred is currency. and it's like each one learns from the other. and we need to see the united states in perspective of this kind of transnational trend toward these outrageous rogue figures like wilders who as you noted, is extremely violent against islam and immigrants. and would like a total removal of immigrants. and we need to see this as related to what trump wants to do. there's a reason he's always put immigration from the very beginning, saying mexicans were rapists, he's been kind of psychologically conditioning americans to hate immigrants for many, many years. and now, if he comes back, he's going to implement policies that will resemble those of far right leaders abroad. >> you know, and david, i'm reminded that donald trump in his earliest iteration as a political, you know, sort of pundit from the sidelines before he actually started running -- well, when he was pretending to run for president and then didn't, his first sort of sign that he was, you know, going, breaking bad was his accusations against barack obama. him joining on to that conspiracy theory that barack obama was a secret kenyan muslim, that he was lying about his faith and was secretly a muslim, that whole theory that donald trump jumped on and became kind of the leader of. and it was very specifically rooted in islamophobia. his lies about 9/11, claiming he saw muslims cheering after 9/11, and you know, trying to stop a mosque from being built on and on and on. islamophobia was kind of his first entry into the door. and he is once again on the rise at a time when europe is facing a potential influx again of, you know, refugees from places like syria, from places like yemen where there's a huge civil war, and now potentially palestinian refugees. the timing, it's similar to the brexit timing, and it doesn't frighten you as much as it does me. >> it does. it does, and i think there are two ajaceabout issues here, equally important. the first is donald trump as a former president possibly president again. his views on race and ethnicity. you can throw in his management of housing projects and discrimination lawsuits in new york to the central park five, to his most recent statement saying migrants poison the blood of america. given that statement, i mean, that is an absolutely racist statement. i think there are reasons to qualitatively question donald trump's commitment to racial equality or to form an opinion that perhaps he is somebody who holds racist ideas and ideals. that is an important qualitative issue, his view of race. it is adjacent to and also part of the issue of protecting democracy. part and parcel to equality is actually the protection of democracy, and i think that is the most important issue of our time. and one that voters will opine on next november. the protection of democracy here in the united states. because democracy is what secures one's suffrage and franchise, it provides for the rights of a political minority, provides for an independent judiciary to enforce and interpret an independent constitution, arms length from the chief executive. and that is the question of this time. are we going to preserve democracy that then provides for equality and equity of all people so that we can self-govern or are we going to allow somebody to come in as a dictator if you will, dictatorial trends, and perverse views of race and ethnicity? that's the danger, and the final point is yes, it's about donald trump, but a leader without followers is just out for a walk. donald trump has a movement behind him and elected officials behind him. each one of those candidates needs to be put to the same litmus test. >> ruth, to come back to you on this point, david makes excellent points, the united states has never been a multiracial democracy. we were for white christian males and it was perfectly legal to kill black people until like the 1960s in the united states. there was no legal system that would stop you. and to me, you know, trying to form a multiracial democracy is even harder. there isn't a country that's been super successful at it on earth. you look at what's happening in israel where there are two legal systems, whether you're palestinian, arab, or jewish and israeli. there are countries that have done it well. but to me, brexit was a symbol, and it was a signal as to something that could happen here. i want to play -- i was on with michael moore actually, on bill maher's show, this was in 2016. i want to let you listen to what he said about how we should have seen what was coming because brexit happened. take a look. >> and i have to say, i mean, i'm sorry to have to kind of be the buzz kill so early on, but i think trump is going to win. i'm sorry. i live in michigan. let me tell you. let me tell you. he's going -- it's going to be the brexit strategy. the middle of england is michigan, wisconsin, ohio, and pennsylvania. and mitt romney lost by 64 electoral votes. the total electoral votes of those four states in the rust belt, 64. >> i mean, i doubted it that night. he was right. you know, ruth. and the signs that we're seeing again, you're already seeing threats from donald trump's people, sweeping raids, giant camps, mass deportations. he's already saying that's what's going to happen, the kind of rhetoric. and the far right, you know, the consolidation of that kind of thing and normalization of it, it does feel like a warning sign. to me, wilders, trump isn't -- wilders isn't another trump. trump is another wilders in a way, right? >> oh, yeah, and that's why he's in my book. trump. and it was a struggle to have him in my book, and it's been a struggle to get americans to see him as an authoritarian. it's in part because we're very wedded to this idea that we are, you know, a democracy where these things can't happen. and we have seen, i mean, we had a coup attempt. and people are not quite able to digest that we had a coup attempt that came far closer to succeeding that many realize. and you know, trump has been conditioning people to find violence attractive, to say it's justified sometimes as patriotic. he's conditioned people along with all of his enablers, fox news and the gop, to have little faith in elections. now to dehumanize immigrants. the whole checklist, the whole playbook he's done now for six, seven years very effectively. so there's zero reason in my mind having done research that shows every people who faced authoritarians thought that they were in denial. they thought it wasn't going to happen to them. we're no different. and we already had a coup attempt. that's the biggest which one of our two major parties, not only does not reject but has integrated the methods and philosophy of this coup into their party dogma, so the danger is high. >> and into that party dogma that includes, david, the same things that the argentine wants, a national abortion ban, these extreme economic policies that make the billionaires even richer and relegate workers to essentially serve as status. they all have the same policies. hungary, you know, formerly poland, they got out of it, italy, they're all saying the same things. why is it that americans can't hear it when trump says it? and mike johnson, by the way, will do all of it, by the way? he's extremist and will do it all. >> that's right. that's exactly right. that is the coalition, the trump coalition. i think in many ways it's because republicans get away with messaging around ignorance and taking advantage of voters. what i mean by that is take donald trump's muslim ban. that was the moment when i went to the house floor as a member of congress, called on donald trump to drop out of the race, the muslim ban. my point was this. we do have a security issue in the united states, who gets in and who is allowed status to come in. of course we do. it doesn't matter where they come from. we have a security issue. we do not have a religious issue. they communicate around a muslim ban that is xenophobic, arguably racist, and they leave out that actually, yeah, we have a legitimate security question. why don't we focus on the security question. we counter that movement, that racist movement, by highlighting that discrepancy. right now, the questions around joe biden ffs age, next november is not about age. it's about ideology. republicans want it to be about age. and some in the right wing media want it to be about age. it's not about age. it's about who is going to protect democracy, who is going to protect individual rights, who is supporting a roe framework as opposed to a dobbs framework. but republicans don't want to put that question in front of the american people. so it's fair to ask, why aren't voters perhaps grasping the import of this? because republicans won't talk about it. and republicans talking to republicans become an echo chamber that intensifies that trump coalition and puts him at a place where michael moore said he might return to the white house. >> yeah, and by the way, i will note, there is a record number of members of congress not running again. they're getting utof dodge and leaving the rest of us to hold the bag. ruth and david, thank you. up next on "the reidout," 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(announcer) change your life at golo.com. that's golo.com. the high wire negotiations continue in israel and gaza, where late today 11 more hostages were freed. they are now in israel. here is edited footage from al jazeera showing them handed over to the red cross. the released hostages include six argentinian citizens, three french citizens and two german citizens. in exchange, israel released 30 children and three women being held in israeli prisons. hamas and israel also anoused they will extend a pause in the fighting for another two days. this is just the latest batch of civilians released. bringing relief and joy to scores of family members. yesterday, hamas released 17 hostages including a 4-year-old american israeli dual citizen, abigail idan, whose parents were murdered october 7th. in exchange, a qatari spokesperson said israel released 39 palestinian women and children held in israeli prisons. including a 14-year-old boy. we're learning more about who these palestinian civilians are and why they were incarcerated. according to news reports, some were serving sentences for attacks on israelis while many others were hold on what is called administrative detention. a controversial practice where people are held without any legal process. one of the released palestinians was mara baho was a child when she was held for attempting to stab an israeli officer. she and her family deny the accusations. the israeli prison service was holding 146 palestinian minors in detention or prison for what it defined as security grounds. at that time, israel was also holding 34 palestinian minors for being in israel illegally. this is according to a jerusalem based nonprofit that documents human right violations in the israeli occupied palestinian territories. joining me now is nora, human rights attorney and author of justice for some, law and the question of palestine. thank you for being here. i want to start with the question of these releases on both sides. it's been 40-some odd days and 14,000 deaths. i have seen some of your interviews in which you questioned whether this many deaths were needed to get these prisoners out. what do you make of the fact this pause is happening now, so many deaths later? >> thanks, joy. i have actually been really clear that i think that israel has waged now we're on day 52, a campaign that is not a military campaign but what is very clearly an ethnic cleansing campaign that is not achieved any military advantage. after 52 days and an incredible humanitarian toll of 14,800 deaths including 6,000 children, 4,000 women, 36,000 injured, 60 journalists, where my colleague points out that israel has killed more u.n. staffers than hamas leaders. they have not achieved anything through that campaign that onslaught of what legal scholars and genocide scholars has described as genocidal. in fact, the agreement they had just agreed to in terms of the exchange of hostages for hostages, many of these palestinians should be understood as hostages as they're not prisoners, they did not have adequate due process. many of them, 2,000 of the 8,000 in captivity are held under administrative detention without charge or trial. this agreement was extended in the first week after october 7th. israel could have achieved it immediately. it could have achieved it before the ground incursion that began on october 27th. it could have achieved it before the gutting and the inkergz of al shifa hospital, and now 26 out of 35 hospitals. it's precisely why we can see now, if there has been no military advantage, if no -- israel did not increase its negotiating levage, but what it did do was mete out this incredible, incredible high civilian humanitarian harm, then we are pointing out that the purpose was not in fact to release the hostages which they could have released through this diplomatic exchange, this diplomatic process, a political process, but was in fact a campaign intended to do what many israeli leaders have told us, which is to turn gaza into a parking lot, which is to ethnically cleanse the north of gaza, below the line, now 1.7 million palestinians or 70% of the population has been displaced, and former justice minister says that they won't return, but they should be distributed as refugees across the world. this is why we're saying now it's not enough that we just focus on the refugees, because even those palestinians that have been returned into the general population can be rearrested under a military occupation where there is no due process or oversight, what is an apartheid regime, and that israel must be held to account for this amount of destruction that it caused. we cannot turn our eye or attention away from it. >> well, the point that the israeli government has said of doing the campaign was to return the hostages. we have seen, as you said, extraordinary death toll as a result. and not all of the people being returned obviously are israeli. there are thai, german, people from other countries as well. to your knowledge, are there multiple countries, the people from those countries involved in this? because presumably, they're also at risk if gaza is turned into a par